Tour Match Up: Gesink v Van Den Broeck

[cineteq]

I'd rather see him take it easy tomorrow. This was a sufficient test.

Yup, hope he just do enough to be close to the elite guys...no need to show off...

 

[theyoungest]

JVDB also very good today.

They will be a close thing.

Yes, Gesink will beat VDB in the Tour by 8 seconds

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Yes, Gesink will beat VDB in the Tour by 8 seconds

... in 1 stage and lose minutes in the other stages.

 

[Havetts]

... in 1 stage and lose minutes in the other stages.

Hahah......... no.

 

[Spine Concept]

... in 1 stage and lose minutes in the other stages.

.... then makes a heroic comeback to finish in front of VDB2.

 

[theyoungest]

... in 1 stage and lose minutes in the other stages.

On some flat stage due to bad luck, maybe, but on the climbs he'll take time on VDB2 again, like last year. There's some interesting +1500 meter climbs, which is when Gesink's engine really starts running. VDB beware

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Except that falling down because you are careless and clumsy enough to be riding in the back of the peleton, ending up in the second peleton after a break in the peleton etc. isn't exactly bad luck. I'm curious to see if he's going to take those risks again this year. Or if he is going to be riding in the front this time and if he's prepared for the extra effort it takes of riding in the front of the peleton for 3 weeks.

And how much time did he gain in the mountains last year? 16 seconds? How much did he lose in the TT? Right.

But i'm loving the confidence because after a week of sleeping in the back of the race, he takes 8 seconds on JVDB after trailing the entire climb.

PS: to be clear, i'm not claiming VDB will beat Gesink in the tour, i hope my first post in this topic made that clear, but i think they have equal chances of ending up in front of each other.

 

[theyoungest]

Except that falling down because you are careless and clumsy enough to be riding in the back of the peleton, ending up in the second peleton after a break in the peleton etc. isn't exactly bad luck. I'm curious to see if he's going to take those risks again this year. Or if he is going to be riding in the front this time and if he's prepared for the extra effort it takes of riding in the front of the peleton for 3 weeks.

And how much time did he gain in the mountains last year? 16 seconds? How much did he lose in the TT? Right.

But i'm loving the confidence because after a week of sleeping in the back of the race, he takes 8 seconds on JVDB after trailing the entire climb.

PS: to be clear, i'm not claiming VDB will beat Gesink in the tour, i hope my first post in this topic made that clear, but i think they have equal chances of ending up in front of each other.

Gesink actually attacked a few times today (and got a gap, unlike VDB2). If you call that trailing for the entire climb, fine

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I think you need to watch the climb again.

 

[theyoungest]

I think you need to watch the climb again.

To find out he didn't attack? I'd be surprised

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Let me rephrase: I think you need to watch the climb again and read my post again.

 

[theyoungest]

Let me rephrase: I think you need to watch the climb again and read my post again.

This is what's in your post about the climb:

he takes 8 seconds on JVDB after trailing the entire climb.

This is not true. Simple as that.

So I don't really see what the discussion is about.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Ah, i see. In fanboy world, you think the 5-10 second gap he got handed to him in the beginning of the climb (because he was of no concern to any of the other riders) after everybody of the GC was keeping their feet still and watching each other, actually meant a damn. And how long did this last exactly? 30 seconds before he got the company of ... JVDB? But the rest of us, we saw him trailing the rest of the climb, yes. But you are correct. For at least 30 seconds there, he wasn't trailing.

 

[theyoungest]

Ah, i see. In fanboy world, you think the 5-10 second gap he got handed to him in the beginning of the climb (because he was of no concern to any of the other riders) after everybody of the GC was keeping their feet still and watching each other, actually meant a damn. And how long did this last exactly? 30 seconds before he got the company of ... JVDB? But the rest of us, we saw him trailing the rest of the climb, yes. But you are correct. For at least 30 seconds there, he wasn't trailing.

"For the rest of us"... ouch, how pedantic. I don't like your style, let's end it here.

 

[metaCYCLE]

voted JVDB. just a gut feeling.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

But... but... but... wait! JVDB was 9 seconds faster in the TT! Let's talk some more about meaningless numbers in order to conclude how one will trump the other!

lol

 

[Michielveedeebee]

But... but... but... wait! JVDB was 9 seconds faster in the TT! Let's talk some more about meaningless numbers in order to conclude how one will trump the other!

lol

Logic is our friend you know

 

[Spine Concept]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VWzdDbtN4o&feature=channel_video_title

There you go guys, Gesink explaining everything in an NOS interview - in Dutch. Can't wait for the Tour now.

 

[cineteq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VWzdDbtN4o&feature=channel_video_title

There you go guys, Gesink explaining everything in an NOS interview - in Dutch. Can't wait for the Tour now.

Translation please?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I'm pretty sure the logic guy is making some assumptions based on this race.

I'm pretty sure I saw him say somewhere that Gesink always trails and is back to himself doing so and then attacks in the final km.
Indeed he likes to attack in the last km or two, but he is not a wheel sucker, to contrary. Also that gesink always rides at the back. Other then this race it has been rare. He sometimes has poor positioning, but he doesn't usually ride at the back. And yeah is you wanna base your prediction on a gesink-will-crash situation, good for you.

Again Logic thinks the youngest is getting confidence from the 8 secs gained today, which isn't true, he lacks perspective. Rather it is the level gesink is at, and the intense training still to come. Signs are looking very positive for Gesink, but yeah we are basing our confidence on 10 seconds gained on kern.

Buddy, the performances compared to other riders on this climb meant little.
What it did reveal was Gesink's level. He is not at his peak, he is where he wants to be. The gaps and seconds made on the climb is not what we (or myself and I suspect the others) are getting our confidence from, so your point is mute.

 

[markene2]

Voted Van Den Broeck. Dont know why, guessing it's a gut feeling.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I'm pretty sure the logic guy is making some assumptions based on this race.

I'm pretty sure I saw him say somewhere that Gesink always trails and is back to himself doing so and then attacks in the final km.
Indeed he likes to attack in the last km or two, but he is not a wheel sucker, to contrary. Also that gesink always rides at the back. Other then this race it has been rare. He sometimes has poor positioning, but he doesn't usually ride at the back. And yeah is you wanna base your prediction on a gesink-will-crash situation, good for you.

Again Logic thinks the youngest is getting confidence from the 8 secs gained today, which isn't true, he lacks perspective. Rather it is the level gesink is at, and the intense training still to come. Signs are looking very positive for Gesink, but yeah we are basing our confidence on 10 seconds gained on kern.

Buddy, the performances compared to other riders on this climb meant little.
What it did reveal was Gesink's level. He is not at his peak, he is where he wants to be. The gaps and seconds made on the climb is not what we (or myself and I suspect the others) are getting our confidence from, so your point is mute.

Gesink was quite good yesterday but at the start of the climb and some points later in the climb he looked like he was cracking. He looked good but not great. He should be happy with the ride though he might try again in today/tonights stage.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Translation please?

from what I understood (my dutch is not perfect)

He basically said the Dauphine was just to get the km in the legs, the team never had big aspirations here, other then a stage or two to test himself. Said he could have probably done better at Dauphine, but that was never the plan.

He said he felt really good, the best he has for a long time. Feels confident.

Dauphine will be his last competitive race and now training (I believe altitude training in the suisse alps)

Said he thinks he could have done a bit better on the stage, but Jrod was too strong.

he also discussed the team. Said that the team was very strong, and they will probably have the strongest team they have ever had going into the tour. He also said the atmosphere in the team was very good.

Encouraging interview indeed

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Gesink was quite good yesterday but at the start of the climb and some points later in the climb he looked like he was cracking. He looked good but not great. He should be happy with the ride though he might try again in today/tonights stage.

yeah, like I said the level he is at is encouraging.
After some intense altitude training and the first have of the tour he should be peaking.

He said he felt the best he has in a long time.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

I'm pretty sure the logic guy is making some assumptions based on this race.

I'm pretty sure I saw him say somewhere that Gesink always trails and is back to himself doing so and then attacks in the final km.
Indeed he likes to attack in the last km or two, but he is not a wheel sucker, to contrary. Also that gesink always rides at the back. Other then this race it has been rare. He sometimes has poor positioning, but he doesn't usually ride at the back. And yeah is you wanna base your prediction on a gesink-will-crash situation, good for you.

Again Logic thinks the youngest is getting confidence from the 8 secs gained today, which isn't true, he lacks perspective. Rather it is the level gesink is at, and the intense training still to come. Signs are looking very positive for Gesink, but yeah we are basing our confidence on 10 seconds gained on kern.

Buddy, the performances compared to other riders on this climb meant little.
What it did reveal was Gesink's level. He is not at his peak, he is where he wants to be. The gaps and seconds made on the climb is not what we (or myself and I suspect the others) are getting our confidence from, so your point is mute.

Are you talking to me ? because I was just kidding about the crash I wanted to vote Jurgen but voting Silly Dutchi was funnier

Gesink was good yesterday, but I thought he'd attack sooner (not counting his 10 second gap he got at the beginning of the climb) like at 2 or 3 kms from the finish... not inside the last km