Transfers and Rumours 2011 > 2012

[Ryo Hazuki]

I don't like the man but this was a good result for 40 and being away for 2 years

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=21123

Apart from the usual reservations I do believe that Rebellin has it in him to ride WT.

That's why I'm a bit puzzled that he is going to Iran.

I suppose it's money but then again I read often rebellin didn't come back for the money as he made millions

 

[ISDfan]

Yes, it is.

You're trying to compare him to Cunego saying that Cunego is useless in classic races but Rebellin 2011 was quite good in Italian home races (with Miche he couldn't get invited for something bigger) and you never know how would he perform at Ardennes (i suppose if he's going to Lampre he is expected to win something bigger than Tre Valli Varesine or Trofeo Melinda, isn't he?) with much bigger level of competition in 41. And tbh if Cunego (who had pretty good year too, but participating in definitely bigger races) was supposed to ride only Italian home races (1.1, 1.HC) he would have achieved these quite good results too, even considering that he can't count on his sprint anymore.

With Miche he was not only in Italy . He was in Spain , Iran , France , and Switzerland . And always show a good result . I dont know how would he perform at Ardennes ? Why ? I know it ! In 2004 he won Amstel Gold Race , Fleche Wallonne , Liege - Bastogne - Liege . He did the same that Gilbert this season . In 2009 with Androni he has won Fleche Wallonne , and was third on Liege - Bastogne - Liege . It was not long time ago . In 2007 he won Fleche Wallonne , and was second on Amstel Gold Race . And this year hes show that despite of his age , he still can to achieve good results , and can be usefull for a team . Not all at his age can show the same results . I think he deserved a chance to return to a WT .

 

[El Pistolero]

4th in Emilia is definitely good result but this is the race that suits him best and tbh the Emilia competition is not the same as the FW competition (if we're talking about the races that suit him). I don't object the possibility that he could do well in WT in 41 but i doubt his 2011 results are good signs of how he can race in WT events next year.

There are tons of cyclists in the WT who wouldn't be able to get the same results as Rebellin in the CT.

 

[Kvinto]

With Miche he was not only in Italy . He was in Spain , Iran , France , and Switzerland . And always show a good result . I dont know how would he perform at Ardennes ? Why ? I know it ! In 2004 he won Amstel Gold Race , Fleche Wallonne , Liege - Bastogne - Liege . He did the same that Gilbert this season . In 2009 with Androni he has won Fleche Wallonne , and was third on Liege - Bastogne - Liege . It was not long time ago . In 2007 he won Fleche Wallonne , and was second on Amstel Gold Race . And this year hes show that despite of his age , he still can to achieve good results , and to be usefull for a team . Not all at his age can show the same results . I think he deserved a chance to return to a WT .

I think you understand what i'm talking about saying Italian home races... Spain, Iran, France, Switzerland lets drop it, it's not funny, seriously - the main races he participated in were in Italy, and you know it.

Yes, he deserves the chance to return to the WT, but lets not be carried away by his results in second tier races and lets not say "Cunego is useless" because it's yet to reveal who will be more useful in the WT next year.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

2nd tier races??

giro emillia, tre valli faresine and copa sabatini are no 2nd tier races. just look at the guys he beat there and rebellin is know for his toughtness and resiliency. the longer races go he only gets stronger. of course he would be a major factor in the ardennes again, like it or not. just like he was in 2008

 

[Kvinto]

There are tons of cyclists in the WT who wouldn't be able to get the same results as Rebellin in the CT.

Yes, but does it mean he'll be as competitive in the WT as he is in the CT?

 

[El Pistolero]

2nd tier races??

giro emillia, tre valli faresine and copa sabatini are no 2nd tier races. just look at the guys he beat there and rebellin is know for his toughtness and resiliency. the longer races go he only gets stronger. of course he would be a major factor in the ardennes again, like it or not. just like he was in 2008

Of course they're second tier races, but they're a good indication for the first tier races like the Ardennes classics, Il Lombardia(especially with the new date next year) and the CSS.

 

[Kvinto]

2nd tier races??

giro emillia, tre valli faresine and copa sabatini are no 2nd tier races. just look at the guys he beat there and rebellin is know for his toughtness and resiliency. the longer races go he only gets stronger. of course he would be a major factor in the ardennes again, like it or not. just like he was in 2008

these are 2 tier races in comparison to the Ardennes classics

 

[El Pistolero]

Yes, but does it mean he'll be as competitive in the WT as he is in the CT?

He'll be more competitive than 90% of the WT cyclists.

 

[Kvinto]

He'll be more competitive than 90% of the WT cyclists.

Sure, but you miss my point yet again. I don't want to prohibit him from the WT, i just doubt that being stronger than 90% of WT riders means he will be as strong as in 2008.

 

[El Pistolero]

Sure, but you miss my point yet again. I don't want to prohibit him from the WT, i just doubt that being stronger than 90% of WT riders means he will be as strong as in 2008.

I never said that, but I can assure you he'll still be able to ride top 5/10 in about every hilly classic.

 

[Kvinto]

I never said that, but I can assure you he'll still be able to ride top 5/10 in about every hilly classic.

lets hope so

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

he won't ride world tour or androni till he gives a public apology in the front of the kids and some fucced up catholic priest that he was indeed a terrible person,a doper scum.everyone knows it,uci won't let him race untill the humiliation thing just like what they did to il killer.that's what you get when the fans choose to be blinded and lied by omerta every day instead of being open minded and accept it.
rebellin can do something in ardennes or giro i'm sure

Yes. Rebellin may be too proud to go through all that.

We all know Katusha and Androni wanted him. We all know he still has what it takes to compete at the highest level. But I don't think it's gonna happen.

 

[Benotti69]

I suppose it's money but then again I read often rebellin didn't come back for the money as he made millions

He got hit with a tax bill this year for a few million.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

He got hit with a tax bill this year for a few million.

Don't be silly, Italians don't pay tax.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

He got hit with a tax bill this year for a few million.

yeah but I believe he still had enough. that's what he said in interviews. I think he made millions at gerolsteiner a year alone

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Don't be silly, Italians don't pay tax.

that's just in the south

 

[Michele]

He got hit with a tax bill this year for a few million.

This is not correct; he got caught for non paying something likle 5-6 millions tax but as italian law is pretty ridiculous, he will probably seattle down for 1-2 millions (as many other famous people did, see Bettini, Valentino Rossi, Pavarotti, etc).

And on other hand, if he didnt pay tax for 5-6 millions, means his income was much higher than that.

Don't be silly, high-income-Italians don't pay tax.

Corrected.

 

[Benotti69]

This is not correct; he got caught for non paying something likle 5-6 millions tax but as italian law is pretty ridiculous, he will probably seattle down for 1-2 millions (as many other famous people did, see Bettini, Valentino Rossi, Pavarotti, etc).

And on other hand, if he didnt pay tax for 5-6 millions, means his income was much higher than that.

Corrected.

7 Million Euros. He will settle if he doesn't want to pay more and they will accept it rather than get tied up in court like Berlusconi who can afford to protect his money by throwing lawyers at the Guardia Finanzia and I imagine D&G are doing that over the 200million owed.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

7 Million Euros. He will settle if he doesn't want to pay more and they will accept it rather than get tied up in court like Berlusconi who can afford to protect his money by throwing lawyers at the Guardia Finanzia and I imagine D&G are doing that over the 200million owed.

if he ows 7 million then you can imagine how much more he actually made. like 15 million euros at least

 

[Ferminal]

Don't be silly, Italians don't pay tax.

That's the reason why he owes millions.

 

[Fus087]

I donno the language myself, but a friend translated for me and roughly it says something like that Tabriz was involved as sponsor for this project but for some political (religious?) reasons they said no at the end (one of the reasons seems to be like iranian riders celebrating with champagne...?).

But wasn't that in 2010 (when Askari won the Tour of Qinghai Lake, he sprayed champagne on the podium - he didn't even drink it as far as i know)? Why would they only pull out now if it were such an important matter?
Of course, the sponsor contract may have run until 2011, but that never stopped T-Mobile, Saunier Duval etc. from stopping early.

Reducing the number of riders who's points count to 10. Leaves 20 spots for riders regardless of how many points they've scored, then it's up to the teams to pick domestiques rather than sub-top leaders who scored a handful of points.

True.
While people often tend to forget that currently only the points of 15 riders count, leaving 10-15 spots for domestiques already, it would be better if only 10 riders counted for the points. It would make it easier for domestiques to get a job, and it would also make it more even: While the big teams don't have a problem finding 15 riders with points, the smaller teams normally don't have that many "leaders". Look at Euskaltel, the new Lotto-Belisol or even the former Geox. If only the top-10 would count, the smaller teams wouldn't have to be so desperate as to sign Sohrabi, Gazvoda and the like (although I of course love that these guys get a pro contract).

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Don't be silly, Italians don't pay tax.

wow...lol and u have a stick stuck up your ***..are u here just to disagree with others or bait other posters?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

wow...lol and u have a stick stuck up your ***..are u here just to disagree with others or bait other posters?

in his defence, it was pretty funny

 

[ultimobici]

This is not correct; he got caught for non paying something likle 5-6 millions tax but as italian law is pretty ridiculous, he will probably seattle down for 1-2 millions (as many other famous people did, see Bettini, Valentino Rossi, Pavarotti, etc).

And on other hand, if he didnt pay tax for 5-6 millions, means his income was much higher than that.



Corrected.

I don't think they reported what period of time the back taxes were in respect of. Bearing in mind Italy's tax system taxes at an extremely high rate and on everything an anything he may not have been on as much as one might imagine. Hopefully the Guardia Finanzia will clean him out.