Transfers and Rumours 2011 > 2012

[The Hitch]

You thought that Contador should beat Evans in both time trials even though to any rational observer it is far from certain.

And show me where you were "widely ridiculed" by me(unless offering actual results instead of mere opinion now counts as ridicule) and especially where I supported the idea that Evans is the best GC time trialist.

Thought so.

If you're going to hold a grudge try to make it factual next time.

Speaking of keeping it factual where did I say that Contador should beat Evans in both tts?

The discussion came from someone saying the opposite

Wiggins/Evans/Menchov will take at minimum 5 mins from 3 ITT's out of the Schlecks Contador at least 3-4 mins.

And I asked where people got the idea that Evans was a better tter from.
The discussion was all about the past, nothing about next year anyway.

(unless offering actual results instead of mere opinion now counts as ridicule)

I offered plenty of actual results.

For example, when in that very thread you accused me of not posting any evidence I offered this response, though I dont think you read it as you instead announced that you won't be reading my posts.

Dont have any relevant arguments?

Contador winning more tts in his career, despite having a shorter career is not a relevant argument?

Contador having a better overall record vs Evans is not a relevant argument?

Contador beating Evans when they both came into the Tour fully prepared is not a relevant argument?

Contador keeping it close when he is off form, and crushing Evans when he is off form, is not a relevant argument?

Contador, if you add their tt times from TDFs they have faced eachother in, having a lower time, is not a relevant argument?

By the way that score is 2 minutes 59 seconds in Contadors favour.

In tts time matters more than position.

This is just taking in the "long" tts which you picked out yourself, which are actually skewed to Cadel. If we began to include Prologues and shorter tts at the Tour, Contadors lead would grow.

And the only actual results you offered was the 1 point about how if we look at Only the TDF and Only long tts going back to when Contador was still young, then Evans has a better record.

Which, to again disprove the idea that I wasn't looking at the facts, I responded to here.

You need to apply some logic to the results though. Contador was young in 2007. He said even before the tt he expected to lose it. And in 2011 he was injured and heavily fatigued after you know what. That he limited his losses to Evans on the form of his life, to 1 minute shows just how great a tter he can be.

In 2010 Evans likewise was well out of it, no way can you take that result to suggest he is worse than Contador.

But Contador has won a Tour Itt in recent years. He has also been pretty solid in other tts he has done, winning many in smaller races, getting 4th in the Olympics, 3rd in the Giro, winning the uphill one, 6th in Tour prologue. 2nd to Cancellara in a pretty solid opening tt in Monaco. The results are just better than Evans ones.

BTW, I think if you were to add all those tt results (even if you select 2007 which imo is unfair because Contador was young), together, Contadors overall time would be better than Evans

So you may have misread my posts if you felt I was talking about 2012 when I was talking about already completed tts. And it wasnt such a black and white case of you "offering actual results" and me offering "mere opinion".

 

[auscyclefan94]

I never said that he was easily a better time trialist than Evans, just that he was better.

It was the airstreams, cineteqs and ACF's of this world who found it propostorous that anyone would believe that the gap was anything but huge. Of course they went the other way as to who the dominant rider was.

And I hold the incident in memory because the I was widely ridiculed by you and others for suggesting that Evans was anything but the best GC time trialist.

A month or so later, airstream in one of his regular hijacking of threads told me that my opinions on any cycling subject is worthless, because I believe that Evans is not superior in the tt department, hence insane.

Since when are you against gently mocking riders and their fans?

Maybe the key word here is "gently" since when you don't like what someone says, satire seems significantly below the level you are willing to rach, to get your point accross.

My apologies, Hitch. Sometimes on the forum it is easy to mistake the tone the person is delivering what they are saying.

 

[The Hitch]

My apologies, Hitch. Sometimes on the forum it is easy to mistake the tone the person is delivering what they are saying.

Im glad to see that that was your 15000th post.

It seems like just yesterday you were on 10 000 and as I struggle on, to distant 2nd for that mark you have gotten another 5000 out of yourself.

Congratulations. Another landmark.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Im glad to see that that was your 15000th post.

It seems like just yesterday you were on 10 000 and as I struggle on, to distant 2nd for that mark you have gotten another 5000 out of yourself.

Congratulations. Another landmark.

I see these 'landmarks' as more of a mark that I need to get a life!

In saying that, my posts are often quite small in comparison to others so for overall text volume I probably wouldn't feature that highly compared to others.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

In saying that, my posts are often quite small in comparison to others so for overall text volume I probably wouldn't feature that highly compared to others.

Well played.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Gediminas Bagdonas, Niko Eeckhout, Mark Cassidy and Peter Ghyllebert have all resigned with the An Post Sean Kelly Team.

The team had their best year by far last year and this year have a significantly strengthened squad. They also seem openly surprised at keeping almost all of their best riders from last year, after most of them seemed likely to move on. Sean Kelly said this will be their best ever team and pointed at Bagdonas, Eeckhout and Sam Bennett as riders who will win big races. They've also added Jonny Bellis and a whole load of young track stars to their line up.

As previously discussed in this thread, Bagdonas in particular is extremely unlucky not to get a move to a big team (he had been signed by Geox), but the upside is that he'll probably win a lot more races as the main leader on one of the best Conti teams as opposed to working as a domestique on a World Tour squad. Eeckhout will apparently be taking on a mentor role for their many young riders as well as riding himself. Which is only reasonable, given that he's older than time.

 

[will10]

I see these 'landmarks' as more of a mark that I need to get a life!

In saying that, my posts are often quite small in comparison to others so for overall text volume I probably wouldn't feature that highly compared to others.

So you post a whole lot of nothing then?

 

[auscyclefan94]

So you post a whole lot of nothing then?

Guilty as charged!

 

[Lexman]

So we have Unzue saying he would take Cobo, if he can't find a team. Does Cobo really wants to get back there? That's another story.

If he goes to Movistar we can be sure we won't see Cobo much in the races...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

If he goes to Movistar we can be sure we won't see Cobo much in the races...

You kidding? Now he's a GT winner it's big news when he slips off the back of the péloton with awful form and lacking motivation. The cameras sure loved picking up Óscar Pereiro dropping off the back in 2009 even though it was entirely expected.

 

[will10]

Off topic I know but who's in your avatar Libertine?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Off topic I know but who's in your avatar Libertine?

Julen Goikoetxea

 

[craig1985]

Any idea on David de la Fuente and co will be riding? Anyone?

 

[MickeyB36]

Andalucia have finally been confirmed as a pro continental team.

Their line up is :-
Juanjo Lobato, Pablo Lechuga, Jose Luis Roldán, Adrián Palomares, Jordi Simón, Pepe Aguilar, Román Osuna, Javier Chacón, Cabello Baena, Eloy Ruiz, Sergio Carrasco, Jose Luis Cano, Jose Vicente Toribio, Javier Ramírez, Jesús Rosendo and Gustavo César Veloso (who was recently mentioned in the best riders without a team for 2012 thread).

A new co-sponsor is to be announced shortly and possibly a third sponsor which may allow the addition of 2 or 3 more riders.

Sources - e-bici.com
and http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=45705

 

[craig1985]

Andalucia have finally been confirmed as a pro continental team.

Their line up is :-
Juanjo Lobato, Pablo Lechuga, Jose Luis Roldán, Adrián Palomares, Jordi Simón, Pepe Aguilar, Román Osuna, Javier Chacón, Cabello Baena, Eloy Ruiz, Sergio Carrasco, Jose Luis Cano, Jose Vicente Toribio, Javier Ramírez, Jesús Rosendo and Gustavo César Veloso (who was recently mentioned in the best riders without a team for 2012 thread).

A new co-sponsor is to be announced shortly and possibly a third sponsor which may allow the addition of 2 or 3 more riders.

Sources - e-bici.com
and http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=45705

And I suppose they come from Geox?

 

[MickeyB36]

Not sure if they would come from Geox. There have been various rumours linking Andalucia to Oscar Pujol, Higinio Fernandez and Jose Belda. There are also the spanish riders that left Movistar - Pasamontes and Perez.

 

[nobilis]

Hopefully their team will be more decent than the previous 2 seasons.

 

[Nederick]

Team Pure Black Racing from New Zealand looks like it's folding. They had a couple of good results on the American road circuit this year and a few promising young riders on their roster.
Team PBR Ending

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Not sure if they would come from Geox. There have been various rumours linking Andalucia to Oscar Pujol, Higinio Fernandez and Jose Belda. There are also the spanish riders that left Movistar - Pasamontes and Perez.

I really hope he finds a pro team

 

[ISDfan]

According to cqranking.com , Lampre-ISD has signed a contract with two ukrainian riders : Oleg Chuzda (Сaja Rural) , Pidgornyy Ruslan (Vacansoleil - DCM) . Soon team will add more ukrainian riders too their roster .

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I approve highly of the opportunity to see Oleg Chuzhda in the World Tour. Amets Txurruka and Thomas de Gendt had better watch their backs if he gets going.

His win in Portugal last year was fantastic - going on the attack after 1km, then attacking his breakaway companions 40km into the stage, riding 140km solo to win by a minute after a miscalculation (he lost 2 minutes in the last 2 kilometres!), then defend the jersey on a cat.2 climb the next day.

 

[taiwan]

I approve highly of the opportunity to see Oleg Chuzhda in the World Tour. Amets Txurruka and Thomas de Gendt had better watch their backs if he gets going.

His win in Portugal last year was fantastic - going on the attack after 1km, then attacking his breakaway companions 40km into the stage, riding 140km solo to win by a minute after a miscalculation (he lost 2 minutes in the last 2 kilometres!), then defend the jersey on a cat.2 climb the next day.

That's some chutzpah.

First.

 

[Anonymous]

Cioni confirmed as retiring, and now confirmed as taking on a "new role" at sky..
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_7378706,00.html

i could do a little daotec dance of joy that i first said that about 6 weeks ago, but it seems barely worth it.

 

[bicing]

Cioni confirmed as retiring, and now confirmed as taking on a "new role" at sky..
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_7378706,00.html

i could do a little daotec dance of joy that i first said that about 6 weeks ago, but it seems barely worth it.

 

[Andy99]

Cioni confirmed as retiring, and now confirmed as taking on a "new role" at sky..
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_7378706,00.html

i could do a little daotec dance of joy that i first said that about 6 weeks ago, but it seems barely worth it.

Does that free up a space for a potential additional signing?

That Fassa kit is still some of the classiest around..