Transfers and Rumours 2014 > 2015

[retzko]

Mostly riders get paid big AFTER they reached there peak or there goals... see Gilbert , Hushovd etc
Ok Sagan showed that he can potentially win big classics but so does GVA.

But Sagan is more hype then reality. This year he was weaker in the classics, sprints and Climbing. GVA ll only make a fraction of Sagan but in the end he is almost on the same level if not above this year.

Sagan should be happy to get paid that kind of money ( but well mamanged teams would never pay that) by mllionairs like tinkoff or wit oil money from Alonso or so but P Lefevre would max give him 1,75 E if not less after his subpar year.

You see that being a bit of an extravagant rider( marketing) pays of. I would rider buy GVA, Kristoff , Roche and maybe formolo or so for the sagan budget....

 

[retzko]

Sagan has the potential to win multiple classics, multiple Tour stages, Green Jersey and World Champs. Pretty much every year. No obvious ties to doping. Great personality, fans and sponsors love him.

So does GVA....
its more his personality then his wins.... And a green jersey. It doesnt even get seriously contested. Any sprinter chooses a stage win above the green jersey.
I dont think he gets paid too much ( vs soccer or tennis) but in comparison others get too little . Wf ... no sponsors wants without guys like Alonso( personal friend) or Tinkoff.

Sponsors love him? Then why Cannodale i and sagan are riding years without real non-bicycle sponsors?

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Mostly riders get paid big AFTER they reached there peak or there goals... see Gilbert , Hushovd etc
Ok Sagan showed that he can potentially win big classics but so does GVA.

Smart managers buy potential, not past results.

 

[MatParker117]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/transfers-tinkoff-saxo-says-no-sagan-announcement-on-thursday

Basso, EBH to TCS

 

[hrotha]

Lol.

Seriously though, before this season, Sagan had improved both his results and his performances every year. Sure, 2014 could be the beginning of the end for his career, you never know. But it could also be just a bad year and he could be back at his 2013 level or even better next year.

Meanwhile, Van Avermaet is pretty much performing at the absolute top end of his capabilities, or even above them. And he's 29.

I love Van Avermaet, but to compare him to Sagan is a wee bit optimistic.

 

[trevim]

I hope EBH rumour is right and that he can stablish himself in smaller hillier classics like Strade Bianchi, Amstel, Piemonte and cobbles only in a couple smaller races. I really hope he focus on the hills and gets lots of stages throughout the season.
I hope the Basso rumour is wrong

 

[inthepink]

EBH to help Sagan get all those wins ??

But someone needs to chase breakaways in Grand Tours

 

[Richeypen]

I hope EBH rumour is right and that he can stablish himself in smaller hillier classics like Strade Bianchi, Amstel, Piemonte and cobbles only in a couple smaller races. I really hope he focus on the hills and gets lots of stages throughout the season.
I hope the Basso rumour is wrong

I hope he ends up at a smaller team. He is a top class stage hunter and needs to be in a team that gives him that freedom. At Saxo he may get a chance to go for stages at the giro or vuelta but he will have to work for Contador at le tour.

 

[CrazyCanuck]

EBH, Sagan, Tosatto, Bennati and Breschel (contract expires this year) would but good group for the spring classics.

3 mil for Sagan is alot but it's not my $$$ and Tinkoff is a billionaire. What bothers me more is the tag along brother taking up a WT spot.

 

[May0maniac]

I wonder if this move is all about the $$$. I am sure Tinkoff can match whatever SKY is offering (if he wants too).

He's basically has the same role if he was to move over to SKY. From an outsiders POV, I thought the team spirit/moral of Tinkoff Saxo was better than SKY. It seems like he was getting along well with his teammates and staff members.

No, i think SKY could send him to the giro a their leader, Porte would remain Froomes superdomestique for the tour and could be the leader i a few 1 week racces or for the vuelta

 

[inthepink]

Porte definitely wants to lead at Giro .....if he gets his form back...
Nieve for Vuelta ....maybe Nico will co lead that one as his favorite GT and ...can't with Contador, Majka and poss Kreusiger higher up the pecking order

 

[qwerty16]

So does GVA....
its more his personality then his wins.... And a green jersey. It doesnt even get seriously contested. Any sprinter chooses a stage win above the green jersey.
I dont think he gets paid too much ( vs soccer or tennis) but in comparison others get too little . Wf ... no sponsors wants without guys like Alonso( personal friend) or Tinkoff.

Sponsors love him? Then why Cannodale i and sagan are riding years without real non-bicycle sponsors?

Van Avermaet is close to 30, Sagan is still eligible for the young riders classifications and is a few levels above Van Avermaet in terms of quality. A, for his standards, weak Tour de France doesn't change that.

Any team wants to have Sagan on their roster, only a few can afford him and even less teams are able to give him some strong support. With a strong team around him he would already have won several classics, more stages in GT's and other races.

 

[retzko]

There s no single normal team manager that would pay him 3 million... And today i can say that GVA is ABOVE Sagan in quality terms. In RVV , P-R Strade bianche , TDF( even on stages where he could compete earlier) etc Sagan was dropped like a stone when it mattered.

Sagan would not be the first East-European rider to reach his peak early. P Velits, Kreuziger , Bobrik , Berzin etc

Team tinkoff and team Alonso are in my opinion toys for millionairs... And even tinkoff doenst pay him 3 million. If you want to know whats the real market value of a rider then ask lefevre. He would no pay more then 1.5 million for Sagan today. this year he is even worth less. And besides Slovakia is a small not so interesting market for sponsors.

That been said I do like the syle of sagan ... the attack as best defence. But this year he didt progress at all. if he wins a monument , WC and some TDF stages in one year maybe then he s worth 3 million.

Anyway I don t know if its true but i read here some where that Hushovd also got 3 milion( seems unbelievable) ... but even 500 k would be too much.
That Guy must be the worst cycling investment ever. Lucky guy.

 

[inthepink]

Anyway I don t know if its true but i read here some where that Hushovd also got 3 milion( seems unbelievable) ... but even 500 k would be too much.
That Guy must be the worst cycling investment ever. Lucky guy.

But that is what is so great and awful about cycling....no one knows how a rider will pan out ...Hushovd was hot property not long ago
Wiggins in 2012 ...and there are many riders in the peloton that just don't live up to potential

 

[mrhender]

There s no single normal team manager that would pay him 3 million... And today i can say that GVA is ABOVE Sagan in quality terms. In RVV , P-R Strade bianche , TDF( even on stages where he could compete earlier) etc Sagan was dropped like a stone when it mattered.

Sagan would not be the first East-European rider to reach his peak early. P Velits, Kreuziger , Bobrik , Berzin etc

Team tinkoff and team Alonso are in my opinion toys for millionairs... And even tinkoff doenst pay him 3 million. If you want to know whats the real market value of a rider then ask lefevre. He would no pay more then 1.5 million for Sagan today. this year he is even worth less. And besides Slovakia is a small not so interesting market for sponsors.

That been said I do like the syle of sagan ... the attack as best defence. But this year he didt progress at all. if he wins a monument , WC and some TDF stages in one year maybe then he s worth 3 million.

Anyway I don t know if its true but i read here some where that Hushovd also got 3 milion( seems unbelievable) ... but even 500 k would be too much.
That Guy must be the worst cycling investment ever. Lucky guy.

I think he is very much "laissez faire" about his job because everything has come to him so easily.. Now this year the others found out that he and his team has poor tactics.. As a result of this he didn't win much this season..

If he rode for Bjarne his menu and training schedule would be different.
And he would learn to ride clever (unless he's is really stupid)

However I do think the deal with TS is off.. Bjarne is not one for throwing huge amounts of millions after uncertainties -so someone else made a better offer..

THe best thing for Sagan is an experierenced DS that can provide a healthy and disciplinary partnership....

 

[retzko]

I dont think hushovd was ever worth 3 millions or even 2 million not even at his zenith. it was jus a very bad investment from the beginning. Another millionair with too much money and too little cycling knowlegde.

I mean Tom Boonen has never made that money and has a palmares way above hushovd and never had seasons as bad as hushovd. Levefvre pays the riders what they are worth because he represents sponsors who want the biggest return for there money.

tinkoff , Andy ryhs etc just want to spent money and feel like they are part of the cycling family....

 

[hrotha]

Sagan is more marketable than Boonen and Hushovd combined.

 

[MellowJohnny]

Could see EBH fitting in at Saxo, I wonder if they sky will do a swap for Roche?

I'm wondering if Bentacur will head to Sky or another big team.

Has Leopold Konig signed for anyone yet also?

 

[retzko]

Then again then why is there not a single commercial sponsor interested to take over the cannodale team....

The Sagan value is not its real market value it s what cycling crazy maniacs alla tinkoff and Alonso want to spent it has zero to do with marketing. And if Sagan is so interseting for marketing why i dont see a single ad with sagan in cycling crazy flanders?

It s not real market value it s an inflation of his value by guys who just spent there own money ...luke they would buy a Ferrari.
Quick Step used Boonen in a lot of campagnes in Belgium and france etHe can give you a nice interview. if you hear sagan he sound like an autist...

Sagan is good in the classics ... and the classics are huge in the Benelux not that much elsewhere. So then again why is not a single Benelux team interested in Sagan. Because they can have a Vanmarcke or a GVA who deliver the same PuB value for a fraction .

 

[Afrank]

Porte definitely wants to lead at Giro .....if he gets his form back...
Nieve for Vuelta ....maybe Nico will co lead that one as his favorite GT and ...can't with Contador, Majka and poss Kreusiger higher up the pecking order

I would say Henao for the Vuelta, more of a talent and more likely for a high GC then Nieve at this point.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Mollema said btw one of the most important reasons he wanted to go is because he felt he needed a change. New team, new team leaders, other training schedules, everything.

He also said that with Trek being the main sponsor it was important. He said the Bianchi bikes were no problem, but it was a problem that he had NO itt bike to train on at home all year.

Amazing Belkin.. the amateurism. No ITT bike to train on for tour TDF leader? Not even the old one?
That's.... wow.

 

[Jerkovin]

Tinkov is just trolling.

Though someone working at Tinkoff said the Aug 7th announcement isn't Sagan.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sagan is more marketable than Boonen and Hushovd combined.

Ph'wnglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu Rlyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

 

[retzko]

Amazing Belkin.. the amateurism. No ITT bike to train on for tour TDF leader? Not even the old one?

There are (top) juniors who have an ITT from the team....

 

[hrotha]

Ph'wnglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu Rlyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Hey, I don't make the rules.

We're not even their target audience.