Transfers and Rumours 2015 > 2016

[Michele]

Paolini on Instagram was teasing Pozzato for his shoes/helmet colors combo (can't disagree) and then he mentioned that "...31/12/2015 will never arrive soon enough" or something like this, like if he's definitely going to change team.
It looked like Paolini meant that Pozzato was gonna join him at Katusha.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

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Not much of a rumour anymore. Orica-GreenEDGE has confirmed the signing.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/orica-greenedge-confirm-signing-of-rob-power-from-2016

Maybe this is the new Cadel Evans. Orica could definitely use a good climber. They are filled with Sagan-type riders (Cort Nielsen, Ewan, Matthews, Impey, Albasini, Gerrans, Keukeleire) and time trialists. Mountain goats, cobblestone riders and pure sprinters? Not so much.

Agreed, Hayman and Keukelaire have some cobbled skill, and Chaves is a real mountain goat, with the Yates brothers and Clarke good in mid mountains, but whenever they are working in a stage it's usually solo efforts and breaks. Power will be a very good addition and could also add something to the TTT which OGE are quite good at.

I heard Orica is interested Jurgen Vandebroeck. Anyone has some news about that?

Would he be happy to be a domestique already in his career?

 

[Flamin]

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Not much of a rumour anymore. Orica-GreenEDGE has confirmed the signing.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/orica-greenedge-confirm-signing-of-rob-power-from-2016

Maybe this is the new Cadel Evans. Orica could definitely use a good climber. They are filled with Sagan-type riders (Cort Nielsen, Ewan, Matthews, Impey, Albasini, Gerrans, Keukeleire) and time trialists. Mountain goats, cobblestone riders and pure sprinters? Not so much.

Agreed, Hayman and Keukelaire have some cobbled skill, and Chaves is a real mountain goat, with the Yates brothers and Clarke good in mid mountains, but whenever they are working in a stage it's usually solo efforts and breaks. Power will be a very good addition and could also add something to the TTT which OGE are quite good at.

I heard Orica is interested Jurgen Vandebroeck. Anyone has some news about that?

Would he be happy to be a domestique already in his career?

Really? He should be very happy to even get a contract with a WT team.

 

[Anderis]

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Really? He should be very happy to even get a contract with a WT team.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. He was 12th in Giro, 14th in Romandie and 11th in Tirreno this season. That's better than 85% of WT riders do each season. He can be a very valuable mountain domestique at the very least. Maybe even a free role in teams like IAM.

 

[Flamin]

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Really? He should be very happy to even get a contract with a WT team.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. He was 12th in Giro, 14th in Romandie and 11th in Tirreno this season. That's better than 85% of WT riders do each season. He can be a very valuable mountain domestique at the very least. Maybe even a free role in teams like IAM.

And did you actually see him in any of these races (besides for a few seconds when he got dropped)? He's also 33 and coming off a six figure salary so he's not going to work his asz off for a few crumbles either.

Edit: i meant a seven figure salary of course.

 

[Billie]

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Really? He should be very happy to even get a contract with a WT team.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. He was 12th in Giro, 14th in Romandie and 11th in Tirreno this season. That's better than 85% of WT riders do each season. He can be a very valuable mountain domestique at the very least. Maybe even a free role in teams like IAM.

he was 4th in Romandie tt and 2nd best in Giro tt. If you can do that yyou should indeed still be on Wt level.

 

[Flamin]

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Really? He should be very happy to even get a contract with a WT team.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. He was 12th in Giro, 14th in Romandie and 11th in Tirreno this season. That's better than 85% of WT riders do each season. He can be a very valuable mountain domestique at the very least. Maybe even a free role in teams like IAM.

he was 4th in Romandie tt and 2nd best in Giro tt. If you can do that yyou should indeed still be on Wt level.

2nd best in Giro TT? anyway, sure he's still WT level, but what's important is that the guy is way past his prime, brings zero publicity and is making serious money. So why would you sign him? There are plenty of younger guys with potential to grow and who would probably sign a contract for a lot less money.

Unless he agrees on a SERIOUS pay cut, then his experience may be valuable for the young guys, but apart from that, not much.

 

[Anderis]

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2nd best in Giro TT? anyway, sure he's still WT level, but what's important is that the guy is way past his prime, brings zero publicity and is making serious money. So why would you sign him? There are plenty of younger guys with potential to grow and who would probably sign a contract for a lot less money.

Unless he agrees on a SERIOUS pay cut, then his experience may be valuable for the young guys, but apart from that, not much.

Surely he needs to be realistic about his future salary. But if he is- there's no reason to consider him lucky being offered a WT contract. It's up to him to decide whether he wants to continue his cycling career or not. If the answer is yes, he will eventually agree to earn as much money as someone is willing to pay him.

 

[Billie]

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Really? He should be very happy to even get a contract with a WT team.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. He was 12th in Giro, 14th in Romandie and 11th in Tirreno this season. That's better than 85% of WT riders do each season. He can be a very valuable mountain domestique at the very least. Maybe even a free role in teams like IAM.

he was 4th in Romandie tt and 2nd best in Giro tt. If you can do that yyou should indeed still be on Wt level.

2nd best in Giro TT? anyway, sure he's still WT level, but what's important is that the guy is way past his prime, brings zero publicity and is making serious money. So why would you sign him? There are plenty of younger guys with potential to grow and who would probably sign a contract for a lot less money.

Unless he agrees on a SERIOUS pay cut, then his experience may be valuable for the young guys, but apart from that, not much.

he was second behind Contodar between the favourites who had much worse weather conditions.

He still brings lots of publicity. He still gets mentioned way too much in the press. Still one of the 5 most famous belgian cyclists at the moment.

Will have to take a paycutt ofcourse. He knows that himself aswell. He could fit in perfectly at trek alongside Schleck, Zubeldia and the other corpses that used to be good GC riders they have

 

[Flamin]

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2nd best in Giro TT? anyway, sure he's still WT level, but what's important is that the guy is way past his prime, brings zero publicity and is making serious money. So why would you sign him? There are plenty of younger guys with potential to grow and who would probably sign a contract for a lot less money.

Unless he agrees on a SERIOUS pay cut, then his experience may be valuable for the young guys, but apart from that, not much.

Surely he needs to be realistic about his future salary. But if he is- there's no reason to consider him lucky being offered a WT contract. It's up to him to decide whether he wants to continue his cycling career or not. If the answer is yes, he will eventually agree to earn as much money as someone is willing to pay him.

Do you think that someone who earned a million/year for many years is going to work his asz off for some kind of minimum wage? No, and that's why he should be lucky to still get a contract that pays him decent money.

 

[Flamin]

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Really? He should be very happy to even get a contract with a WT team.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. He was 12th in Giro, 14th in Romandie and 11th in Tirreno this season. That's better than 85% of WT riders do each season. He can be a very valuable mountain domestique at the very least. Maybe even a free role in teams like IAM.

he was 4th in Romandie tt and 2nd best in Giro tt. If you can do that yyou should indeed still be on Wt level.

2nd best in Giro TT? anyway, sure he's still WT level, but what's important is that the guy is way past his prime, brings zero publicity and is making serious money. So why would you sign him? There are plenty of younger guys with potential to grow and who would probably sign a contract for a lot less money.

Unless he agrees on a SERIOUS pay cut, then his experience may be valuable for the young guys, but apart from that, not much.

he was second behind Contodar between the favourites who had much worse weather conditions.

He still brings lots of publicity. He still gets mentioned way too much in the press. Still one of the 5 most famous belgian cyclists at the moment.

No way. These worse weather conditions were heavily overrated. You should check the intermediate times from the 2nd part of the TT.

And yes, in Belgium he does. But guess what, Lotto doesn't want him anymore and then there's only Etixx left. Which other team would care about publicity in Belgium? He gets zero publicity in races.

 

[TMP402]

Going back to the original rumour, not sure by Orica would want to sign JVDB, he doesn't have the experience of being as attacking as the Yates' and isn't going to provide a huge service leading them up mountains. On the other hand, if Hesjedal was available...

 

[staubsauger]

Who says that JvdB doesn't want to reinvent himself as a cyclist within a new neighborhood? If so, he should be a wise & useful domestique for the Yates brothers.

Orica also picked up Weening, and yet he has become a sharp force again with them.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

2 completely different human beings. jvdb is an idiot with iq of no more than 90 if he's lucky. it would be incredibly stupid to take someone like him in, when he can't handle a bike, can't handle his own emotions, can't handle other people's emotions and for a fact is as clueless as half this forum is about cycling. I can't believe the rumor either as I think greenedge very serious when it comes to cycling and guiding their young cycling prospects.

 

[b.broadhurst]

Team Sky

OUT: Earle Eisel Knees Pate Sutton Zandio + 2 empty spaces

IN: Kwiatkowski Landa Uran Cavendish + 2 combled domestiques + 2 neo pros

 

[DBotero]

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Team Sky

OUT: Earle Eisel Knees Pate Sutton Zandio + 2 empty spaces

IN: Kwiatkowski Landa Uran Cavendish + 2 combled domestiques + 2 neo pros

I don't think Earle/Knees will leave and they don't want Cav back,hopefully they don't get Kwiatkowski either.Rohan Dennis would be good though.I would take JVDB too.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I'd be surprised if Knees leaves.

I'd be simply amazed if Cav returns, bad fit for him and the team will not (cannot I would say) do whats needed for Yellow and Green at the tour.

 

[MatParker117]

My random guess at Sky's out's and in's:

Out-Earle, Pate, Zandio, Siutsou, Lopez

In-Hart, neo-pro, Kwait, Landa, Van den Brock, Dennis

 

[del1962]

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My random guess at Sky's out's and in's:

Out-Earle, Pate, Zandio, Siutsou, Lopez

In-Hart, neo-pro, Kwait, Landa, Van den Brock, Dennis

Perhaps Hart but I think he would be better going to a pro continental team at this stage in his development.

Kwiat - yes goof idea

Van den Brock - don't see the point in Sky signing him

Dennis - not sure why, seems like a disruptive influence the way he left Garmin

 

[Catwhoorg]

JVDB's time at US postal means no way to Sky, it would be a PR disaster.

(No accusation of clinic behavior its the association that would be immediately toxic post Lance's confession)

 

[Jonhard]

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My random guess at Sky's out's and in's:

Out-Earle, Pate, Zandio, Siutsou, Lopez

In-Hart, neo-pro, Kwait, Landa, Van den Brock, Dennis

Perhaps Hart but I think he would be better going to a pro continental team at this stage in his development.

Kwiat - yes goof idea

Van den Brock - don't see the point in Sky signing him

Dennis - not sure why, seems like a disruptive influence the way he left Garmin

Sky could do with more TT strength and they do like an Aussie... wouldn't surprise me, and if he's naughty they could make him ride up and down Teide until he's sorry. I reckon they'd rather have Tom Dumoulin though.

I suppose they might also sign JDVB on that basis, but would he add much over Roche, Deignan, Nieve? Bit better in the TT but also very meh.

 

[jaylew]

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edit sorry I just realized you said 2014 Dauphine. I still don't agree with the statement though. Talansky hasn't shown yet that he is a better GC rider than Martin.

Talansky has shown to be a better GC rider than Martin, particularly in GTs but in shorter races as well. Martin has just one GT top 10 in his career, 7th in the Vuelta last year and he's really only done anything in shorter stage races that don't have a TT (of which there are few) like Catalunya.

 

[Anderis]

You're quoting a wrong person, jaylew!

I agree Talansky is better stage-race rider. IIRC Martin's only one week WT races he ever finished in the top5 were Catalunya, Tour de Pologne and Beijing. Talansky's record with podiums in Dauphine, Romandie and Paris-Nice looks a bit better, these races are more prestigious on average. Also in GTs, the best Martin has managed so far was 7th overall in Vuelta last year. Talansky did exactly the same thing being just 23 years old in his second year as a pro.

But I would rather have Martin in my team since he is more likely to grab some stage wins as well as he is one of the 3-4 best riders for hilly monuments ATM.

 

[TMP402]

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JVDB's time at US postal means no way to Sky, it would be a PR disaster.

(No accusation of clinic behavior its the association that would be immediately toxic post Lance's confession)

Even though Steve Cummings was one of their 2010 signings and had been at Discovery?

 

[TMP402]

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Team Sky

OUT: Earle Eisel Knees Pate Sutton Zandio + 2 empty spaces

IN: Kwiatkowski Landa Uran Cavendish + 2 combled domestiques + 2 neo pros

Why would Eisel leave if Cav was arriving?

Either way, Cav to Sky again would be career suicide.