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In the results you give above, he beat Pinot twice in the Bayern Rundfahrt. A race which holds the record for "most embarrassing misuse of terrain available" wins, taking the title almost every year the race was run. And on one of those occasions Pinot was 20 years old. And all three of those monument top 10s were in the Northern Classics. They are not relevant to the consideration of whether Dennis or Thomas showed capabilities as a mountain climber or a GC candidate any more than Nairo Quintana winning the Giro d'Italia is relevant to his prospects of winning Milano-Sanremo, I'm afraid. Geraint Thomas is very much like George Hincapie, a guy who has come from the Classics who had not-bad-for-a-Classics-guy climbing chops, has never quite managed that monument victory that seemed to be on the cards from his performances, then has been turned by a dominant team into a strong engine for his leader using that Northern Classics toughness and his decent climbing level, and gradually inched further forward in the mountain train until he's the heir apparent even though he's not actually actively contested any three week races (unlike George, though, Geraint did at least get the opportunity to lead one, though crashes derailed that) and is over 30 by the time he actually gets to a genuine GT-leading situation.
Squire was critiquing the use of number of wins as a factor, pointing out that many of Dennis' wins have been in flat time trials and drawing attention to wins Thomas has in events relevant to his prospects as a GT contender. Netserk asked which of these relevant achievements had been achieved four years ago, i.e. at the age Dennis is now. So while nobody in their right mind should argue Thomas didn't have a decent palmarès four years ago, let's be clear that while he has always been demonstrably one of the best climbers among the cobbled contenders, at that point in time there was nothing in his palmarès that suggested contending for a GT would be even remotely possible.MatParker117 said:
In the results you give above, he beat Pinot twice in the Bayern Rundfahrt. A race which holds the record for "most embarrassing misuse of terrain available" wins, taking the title almost every year the race was run. And on one of those occasions Pinot was 20 years old. And all three of those monument top 10s were in the Northern Classics. They are not relevant to the consideration of whether Dennis or Thomas showed capabilities as a mountain climber or a GC candidate any more than Nairo Quintana winning the Giro d'Italia is relevant to his prospects of winning Milano-Sanremo, I'm afraid. Geraint Thomas is very much like George Hincapie, a guy who has come from the Classics who had not-bad-for-a-Classics-guy climbing chops, has never quite managed that monument victory that seemed to be on the cards from his performances, then has been turned by a dominant team into a strong engine for his leader using that Northern Classics toughness and his decent climbing level, and gradually inched further forward in the mountain train until he's the heir apparent even though he's not actually actively contested any three week races (unlike George, though, Geraint did at least get the opportunity to lead one, though crashes derailed that) and is over 30 by the time he actually gets to a genuine GT-leading situation.
I think that there is another rider whose future should be discussed and I believe that in a few days we will start to see what is going to happen: Wout van Aert. In my opinion and I think you agree with me, he would fit in QuickStep.
I also heard a commentator that has lots and lots of contacts in WT that there is probably a Portuguese rider going to QuickStep. Probably João Almeida or one of the Oliveira brothers? We will see.
I also heard a commentator that has lots and lots of contacts in WT that there is probably a Portuguese rider going to QuickStep. Probably João Almeida or one of the Oliveira brothers? We will see.
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I think it is João Almeida, winner of Liège - Bastogne - Liège U23, 5 in general of Ronde de l'Isard and 7 to the general Giro Ciclistico d'Italia after the six stages, but according to the Procyclingstats the João has a contract until 2019 and the brothers oliveira don't.
I think it is João Almeida, winner of Liège - Bastogne - Liège U23, 5 in general of Ronde de l'Isard and 7 to the general Giro Ciclistico d'Italia after the six stages, but according to the Procyclingstats the João has a contract until 2019 and the brothers oliveira don't.
Brt147 said:
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I think he has contract with CCC for one more year but I would like thatGenericBoonenFan said:
According to PCS, Guerreiro's deal with Trek is over after this year, maybe it could be him.
With regards to the HBA riders signed for 2018, PCS lists them as having two year deals because the team is PCT this year, therefore they are entitled to the standard two-year neo-pro deal. But if Philipsen, Almeida, Bjerg et al were signed while the team was still just a Conti squad, how does that work? Sign a 1yr deal then UCI force HBA to upgrade it to 2 once PCT status granted? 2yr deal from the start in anticipation of being moved to PCT? If none of these, then maybe those riders are available for 2019 to WT squads. If anyone can shed some light, please do!
With regards to the HBA riders signed for 2018, PCS lists them as having two year deals because the team is PCT this year, therefore they are entitled to the standard two-year neo-pro deal. But if Philipsen, Almeida, Bjerg et al were signed while the team was still just a Conti squad, how does that work? Sign a 1yr deal then UCI force HBA to upgrade it to 2 once PCT status granted? 2yr deal from the start in anticipation of being moved to PCT? If none of these, then maybe those riders are available for 2019 to WT squads. If anyone can shed some light, please do!
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Yes, Antunes have a contract until 2019 with CCC.
Quick-Step Floors probably should not renew with Eros Capecchi and Petr Vakoc (a few weeks in the UCI database was not part of the QS riders) and in my opinion Niki Terpstra may also not renew, is already 34 years.
They must renew the other 4 that have no contract (Yves Lampaert, Maximilian Schachmann, Rémi Cavagna and Laurens De Plus).
For the place of Niki, Eros and Vakoc would be very good to see Wout Van Aert, Edvald Boasson Hagen and Rui Costa
drebelo said:I think he has contract with CCC for one more year but I would like thatGenericBoonenFan said:
Yes, Antunes have a contract until 2019 with CCC.
Quick-Step Floors probably should not renew with Eros Capecchi and Petr Vakoc (a few weeks in the UCI database was not part of the QS riders) and in my opinion Niki Terpstra may also not renew, is already 34 years.
They must renew the other 4 that have no contract (Yves Lampaert, Maximilian Schachmann, Rémi Cavagna and Laurens De Plus).
For the place of Niki, Eros and Vakoc would be very good to see Wout Van Aert, Edvald Boasson Hagen and Rui Costa
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Jokes aside, probably Almeida, a huge talent.
Rafael Reis is also out of contract, he'd also be an interesting signing. Joni Brandão is also out of contract, but sadly I don't think that they'll sign him.
Lefevre probably convinced Rui Sousa to make a comeback.GenericBoonenFan said:
Jokes aside, probably Almeida, a huge talent.
Rafael Reis is also out of contract, he'd also be an interesting signing. Joni Brandão is also out of contract, but sadly I don't think that they'll sign him.
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I also think that it is probably Almeida.
I think Reis is a good rider but he hasn't been so impressive as he was in a couple of years ago, I remember than in the last years he finished really close to the Top 3 in the U23 ITT WCH but since that result I haven't seen much evolution. Guerreiro, Costa and Oliveira will finish their contracts this year so... who knows
Mayomaniac said:Lefevre probably convinced Rui Sousa to make a comeback.GenericBoonenFan said:
Jokes aside, probably Almeida, a huge talent.
Rafael Reis is also out of contract, he'd also be an interesting signing. Joni Brandão is also out of contract, but sadly I don't think that they'll sign him.
I also think that it is probably Almeida.
I think Reis is a good rider but he hasn't been so impressive as he was in a couple of years ago, I remember than in the last years he finished really close to the Top 3 in the U23 ITT WCH but since that result I haven't seen much evolution. Guerreiro, Costa and Oliveira will finish their contracts this year so... who knows
another great talent to grow is Tadej Pogacar, let's see where it goes ... Today ended only 16s behind Uran ...
janraaskalt said:
Yes, ProCyclingStats even announced his hiring.
Astana trying to hire Quintana, I do not think it's going to happen because Quintana signed until 2019.
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Getting EBH would be near impossible with the packed QS roster though, he wouldn’t be able to lead at any of his major objectives.
QS would be stupid to get rid of Terpstra unless he chooses to leave or retire, and Alaphilippe is younger and better than Rui Costa in every way. Other than that it’s a good list of riders to retain/chase, especially Lampaert, Scachmann, EBH and Van Aert.PedroMonteiro said:drebelo said:I think he has contract with CCC for one more year but I would like thatGenericBoonenFan said:
Yes, Antunes have a contract until 2019 with CCC.
Quick-Step Floors probably should not renew with Eros Capecchi and Petr Vakoc (a few weeks in the UCI database was not part of the QS riders) and in my opinion Niki Terpstra may also not renew, is already 34 years.
They must renew the other 4 that have no contract (Yves Lampaert, Maximilian Schachmann, Rémi Cavagna and Laurens De Plus).
For the place of Niki, Eros and Vakoc would be very good to see Wout Van Aert, Edvald Boasson Hagen and Rui Costa
Getting EBH would be near impossible with the packed QS roster though, he wouldn’t be able to lead at any of his major objectives.
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Beppe Conti yesterday's indiscreto:
*Ulissi could go to a french or belgian team.
*Quick Step wants Moscon (it's more that a year that he regularly throw in this :lol: ).
*Ganna has offers from Quick Step and Sky, with the latter that has the favour of the rider because in case of a signing will let him ride on the track and chase the hour record.
*Israel Academy are favourites to take BMC WT spot.
*BMC riders, van Avermaet could go to Lotto, Caruso to a french team and Porte to UAE.
*Ulissi could go to a french or belgian team.
*Quick Step wants Moscon (it's more that a year that he regularly throw in this :lol: ).
*Ganna has offers from Quick Step and Sky, with the latter that has the favour of the rider because in case of a signing will let him ride on the track and chase the hour record.
*Israel Academy are favourites to take BMC WT spot.
*BMC riders, van Avermaet could go to Lotto, Caruso to a french team and Porte to UAE.
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Almeida has been on QST’s radar for quite a while. Also joined a training camp of the team last December. Would be surprised if it isn’t him.
Brt147 said:Mayomaniac said:Lefevre probably convinced Rui Sousa to make a comeback.GenericBoonenFan said:
Jokes aside, probably Almeida, a huge talent.
Rafael Reis is also out of contract, he'd also be an interesting signing. Joni Brandão is also out of contract, but sadly I don't think that they'll sign him.
I also think that it is probably Almeida.
I think Reis is a good rider but he hasn't been so impressive as he was in a couple of years ago, I remember than in the last years he finished really close to the Top 3 in the U23 ITT WCH but since that result I haven't seen much evolution. Guerreiro, Costa and Oliveira will finish their contracts this year so... who knows
Almeida has been on QST’s radar for quite a while. Also joined a training camp of the team last December. Would be surprised if it isn’t him.
Koronin said:
Essentially Quintana would have to buy out the final year of his contract. It's happened before but not many are prepared to do it unless they are really unhappy. Happens more often in more lucrative sports. I think Evans did that with the final year of his contract at Lotto as he was on bad terms with team management at that point and the BMC deal was too good to refuse.
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Evans didn't buy out, he had a clause allowing him to break contract in the offseason until a certain cutoff date.
Typically for him, he informed the team he was doing it on the last day, late in the day, without any prior notice that he had been negotiating with others.
Typically for him, he informed the team he was doing it on the last day, late in the day, without any prior notice that he had been negotiating with others.
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I think that cuts both ways hence him leaving. He wanted Horner kept but Lotto didn't and he wanted more mountain climbers as was promised and Lotto never signed any better climbers. They promised to build a team around him and they didn't. BMC offered more. Many sportsmen keep their negotiations quiet. With the team Evans had, Lotto only have themselves to blame for losing him.
GuyIncognito said:
I think that cuts both ways hence him leaving. He wanted Horner kept but Lotto didn't and he wanted more mountain climbers as was promised and Lotto never signed any better climbers. They promised to build a team around him and they didn't. BMC offered more. Many sportsmen keep their negotiations quiet. With the team Evans had, Lotto only have themselves to blame for losing him.
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