Transfers and Rumours 2018 > 2019

[loge1884]

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He'll have shared leadership if he signs for FDJ.

'leadership' which leads nowhere .... Küng can win any flat time trial (on a good day even against Tom Dumoulin) and (currently) maybe a classic with lots of luck, but that is about it ... he'd be far better of in a strong team, which builds on his abilities and gives him at times a carte blanche, than being a 'co-leader' in a mediocre team with the pressure of having to deliver ...

 

[Der Effe]

Sure, but your point was that he'd be pacing for Démare. Which he wouldn't.

 

[Hakkapelit]

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If I was CCC (Bmc) I would go for Wisiniowski and Golas.

Oh by the way, read in a swedish newspaper that EF (ie the sponsor) would like to have more swedes on the roster.

CCC/BMC could go after Majka. If Buchmann and Formolo both do a good Vuelta I could see Bora letting him go after this Tour. And also they should hold on to Szymon Sajnok. Destroyed the Dookola Mazowsza last week and is Omnium World Champ on the track. Only 20 years of age. Seems to be a good talent.

All the Bora guys are GC/climbers, wich wouldnt be a priority they said.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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If I was CCC (Bmc) I would go for Wisiniowski and Golas.

Oh by the way, read in a swedish newspaper that EF (ie the sponsor) would like to have more swedes on the roster.

CCC/BMC could go after Majka. If Buchmann and Formolo both do a good Vuelta I could see Bora letting him go after this Tour. And also they should hold on to Szymon Sajnok. Destroyed the Dookola Mazowsza last week and is Omnium World Champ on the track. Only 20 years of age. Seems to be a good talent.

All the Bora guys are GC/climbers, wich wouldnt be a priority they said.

Sure, but “not a priority” isn’t the same as “no interest at all”. Even QS keep a couple of GC riders around.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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If I was CCC (Bmc) I would go for Wisiniowski and Golas.

Oh by the way, read in a swedish newspaper that EF (ie the sponsor) would like to have more swedes on the roster.

Both EF and POC probably want to see more swedes.

Vaughters also said that the current generation of Swedish riders are very poor. But he said that we have some nice talents in the ages 16-19 and that EF need to be patient. Hopefully they'll sign someone this winter though. Jacob or Lucas Ericsson maybe?

If they want a Swede who could perform, the only viable candidate would be Gustav Höög, I think he's the guy that shoved an African rider aside during the WC last year in the U23 race?

 

[Valv.Piti]

I will cry if Sky gets Soler. Please don't, it will be disgusting. I think he would be one of the kind of riders they could turn into a possible TdF-winner, good engine and very allround, not too dissimilar to Geraint Thomas actually.

 

[Red Rick]

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I will cry if Sky gets Soler. Please don't, it will be disgusting. I think he would be one of the kind of riders they could turn into a possible TdF-winner, good engine and very allround, not too dissimilar to Geraint Thomas actually.

Too Spanish

 

[42x16ss]

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Rumor that Soler is leaving Movistar and heading to Sky.

Pinot and Soler potentially going to Sky? You have to think Thomas is leaving if both of those rumors are true.

Who knows. Soler is still learning and unfortunately if he goes to Sky that learning and development is going to be stopped.

Buddy, to say an aspiring GT contender, can learn nothing from riding on the best GT team in the world, seems rather weird

There is a lot more to it than just race experience as a leader........ If everything was about that experience, everyone should pull a Barguil - then they could all be captains and learn more than anyone else

I think Sky is the best possible place for a future contender, to learn what it takes 24/7/52 to win GTs.

If Soler went to Sky he’d just be getting bottles and pulling on the front. It wouldn’t be a good match.

 

[movingtarget]

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Rumor that Soler is leaving Movistar and heading to Sky.

Pinot and Soler potentially going to Sky? You have to think Thomas is leaving if both of those rumors are true.

Who knows. Soler is still learning and unfortunately if he goes to Sky that learning and development is going to be stopped.

Buddy, to say an aspiring GT contender, can learn nothing from riding on the best GT team in the world, seems rather weird

There is a lot more to it than just race experience as a leader........ If everything was about that experience, everyone should pull a Barguil - then they could all be captains and learn more than anyone else

I think Sky is the best possible place for a future contender, to learn what it takes 24/7/52 to win GTs.

If Soler went to Sky he’d just be getting bottles and pulling on the front. It wouldn’t be a good match.

But getting paid well to do it.

 

[glassmoon]

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Rumor that Soler is leaving Movistar and heading to Sky.

Pinot and Soler potentially going to Sky? You have to think Thomas is leaving if both of those rumors are true.

Who knows. Soler is still learning and unfortunately if he goes to Sky that learning and development is going to be stopped.

Buddy, to say an aspiring GT contender, can learn nothing from riding on the best GT team in the world, seems rather weird

There is a lot more to it than just race experience as a leader........ If everything was about that experience, everyone should pull a Barguil - then they could all be captains and learn more than anyone else

I think Sky is the best possible place for a future contender, to learn what it takes 24/7/52 to win GTs.

If Soler went to Sky he’d just be getting bottles and pulling on the front. It wouldn’t be a good match.

But even Poels earns a million per year

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Rumor that Soler is leaving Movistar and heading to Sky.

Pinot and Soler potentially going to Sky? You have to think Thomas is leaving if both of those rumors are true.

Who knows. Soler is still learning and unfortunately if he goes to Sky that learning and development is going to be stopped.

Buddy, to say an aspiring GT contender, can learn nothing from riding on the best GT team in the world, seems rather weird

There is a lot more to it than just race experience as a leader........ If everything was about that experience, everyone should pull a Barguil - then they could all be captains and learn more than anyone else

I think Sky is the best possible place for a future contender, to learn what it takes 24/7/52 to win GTs.

If Soler went to Sky he’d just be getting bottles and pulling on the front. It wouldn’t be a good match.

It would be a good match for them and a disaster for offensive cycling.

 

[YavorD]

Well, talking about "offensive cycling", Tour hasn't been exactly offensive since...2006 (when I start watching) and this is long before Sky and it will remain after Sky. About Giro/Vuelta, considering the profiles and everything, I don't think a team is able to control the race as much as in the Tour. That said I don't want Soler to Sky. They already have Bernal/Sivakov and even Hart was looking really good earlier this year. Plus is a bit ridiculous to see 10 man group, lead by 5 Sky riders, unless of course they use their power to destroy the peloton (2013-PSM 2015).

 

[Der Effe]

Doesn't Soler have a contract at Movistar for 2019?

http://movistarteam.com/en/2016-12-23/marc-soler-jasha-sutterlin-extend-through-2019

Anyway, Tadej Pogačar signs a two-year deal with UAE.

 

[movingtarget]

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Well, talking about "offensive cycling", Tour hasn't been exactly offensive since...2006 (when I start watching) and this is long before Sky and it will remain after Sky. About Giro/Vuelta, considering the profiles and everything, I don't think a team is able to control the race as much as in the Tour. That said I don't want Soler to Sky. They already have Bernal/Sivakov and even Hart was looking really good earlier this year. Plus is a bit ridiculous to see 10 man group, lead by 5 Sky riders, unless of course they use their power to destroy the peloton (2013-PSM 2015).

2007 to 2011 were not defensive Tours. 2014 had Nibali just riding away from the rest of the field at every chance and there was definitely offense on the cobbles stage.

 

[Lexman]

I read De Plus was leaving QS, anyone knows why?

 

[Naico]

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I read De Plus was leaving QS, anyone knows why?

Lotto Jumbo was able to offer a bigger contract.

 

[postmanhat]

Looks like Mayvey Mamykin's time at Burgos is coming to an end. Effective tomorrow according to PCS.

Difficult to see where he'll go from here in cycling

 

[Akuryo]

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I read De Plus was leaving QS, anyone knows why?

Came 3 years ago as a huge talent and hasn't delivered. Also because of injuries, but he has not produced. That's the bottom line I guess. His only notable results where a third place in Ster ZLM in 2017, 24th in his Giro-debut the same year and 8th at California this year. That's not a whole lot for someone labeled as "the next big thing".

 

[King Of The Wolds]

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Well, talking about "offensive cycling", Tour hasn't been exactly offensive since...2006 (when I start watching) and this is long before Sky and it will remain after Sky. About Giro/Vuelta, considering the profiles and everything, I don't think a team is able to control the race as much as in the Tour. That said I don't want Soler to Sky. They already have Bernal/Sivakov and even Hart was looking really good earlier this year. Plus is a bit ridiculous to see 10 man group, lead by 5 Sky riders, unless of course they use their power to destroy the peloton (2013-PSM 2015).

2007 to 2011 were not defensive Tours. 2014 had Nibali just riding away from the rest of the field at every chance and there was definitely offense on the cobbles stage.

Sky aren't defensive either. They ride on the front at an infernal pace, split the peloton to bits, and those that can, hang on for dear life. When Quick Step do that in the cross winds or on the cobbles, everyone goes giddy with delight.

 

[Lexman]

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I read De Plus was leaving QS, anyone knows why?

Came 3 years ago as a huge talent and hasn't delivered. Also because of injuries, but he has not produced. That's the bottom line I guess. His only notable results where a third place in Ster ZLM in 2017, 24th in his Giro-debut the same year and 8th at California this year. That's not a whole lot for someone labeled as "the next big thing".

he was a lot handicapped by injuries and accidents, so now he'll be working for Roglic...

 

[rlntlssly]

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Well, talking about "offensive cycling", Tour hasn't been exactly offensive since...2006 (when I start watching) and this is long before Sky and it will remain after Sky. About Giro/Vuelta, considering the profiles and everything, I don't think a team is able to control the race as much as in the Tour. That said I don't want Soler to Sky. They already have Bernal/Sivakov and even Hart was looking really good earlier this year. Plus is a bit ridiculous to see 10 man group, lead by 5 Sky riders, unless of course they use their power to destroy the peloton (2013-PSM 2015).

2007 to 2011 were not defensive Tours. 2014 had Nibali just riding away from the rest of the field at every chance and there was definitely offense on the cobbles stage.

Sky aren't defensive either. They ride on the front at an infernal pace, split the peloton to bits, and those that can, hang on for dear life. When Quick Step do that in the cross winds or on the cobbles, everyone goes giddy with delight.

Do they, though? In the Tour they have really only done that three times in nine years: Ax-3-Domaines in 2013, Mont Ventoux in 2013, and Pierre Saint Martin in 2015. Add a few other times (the Vuelta in 2014, the Finestre stage this year, a few times in the Dauphine), but most of the time in recent years the train has been used defensively. Look at the stage this year when Kruiswijk attacked (the Alpe d'Huez stage IIRC) and they rode slowly to get the whole lot over the mountain.

IMO it's not a bad thing. It's the best way to win a bike race: only attack when you need to. It's a bit like Peter Ebdon in snooker: not glamorous, not exciting, but he made life bloody hard for his opponents, backed them into tactical corners, and made them play to his strengths. But it is defensive. (And I like Sky.)

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Well, talking about "offensive cycling", Tour hasn't been exactly offensive since...2006 (when I start watching) and this is long before Sky and it will remain after Sky. About Giro/Vuelta, considering the profiles and everything, I don't think a team is able to control the race as much as in the Tour. That said I don't want Soler to Sky. They already have Bernal/Sivakov and even Hart was looking really good earlier this year. Plus is a bit ridiculous to see 10 man group, lead by 5 Sky riders, unless of course they use their power to destroy the peloton (2013-PSM 2015).

2007 to 2011 were not defensive Tours. 2014 had Nibali just riding away from the rest of the field at every chance and there was definitely offense on the cobbles stage.

Sky aren't defensive either. They ride on the front at an infernal pace, split the peloton to bits, and those that can, hang on for dear life. When Quick Step do that in the cross winds or on the cobbles, everyone goes giddy with delight.

Do they, though? In the Tour they have really only done that three times in nine years: Ax-3-Domaines in 2013, Mont Ventoux in 2013, and Pierre Saint Martin in 2015. Add a few other times (the Vuelta in 2014, the Finestre stage this year, a few times in the Dauphine), but most of the time in recent years the train has been used defensively. Look at the stage this year when Kruiswijk attacked (the Alpe d'Huez stage IIRC) and they rode slowly to get the whole lot over the mountain.

IMO it's not a bad thing. It's the best way to win a bike race: only attack when you need to. It's a bit like Peter Ebdon in snooker: not glamorous, not exciting, but he made life bloody hard for his opponents, backed them into tactical corners, and made them play to his strengths. But it is defensive. (And I like Sky.)

You don't need to attack, when you are in the lead and have the best team.

I seriously don't understand why people are up in arms about how Sky is riding..... it's a natural progression of them having - by far - the largest GT team budget, and thus the best riders.

You should not be criticising Sky, you should be criticising ASO and the other organisers - and UCI - for organising the sport in a way, that makes it possible for one team to be that dominant.

 

[SafeBet]

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Looks like Mayvey Mamykin's time at Burgos is coming to an end. Effective tomorrow according to PCS.

Difficult to see where he'll go from here in cycling

I wonder what happened to this kid.

 

[rlntlssly]

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You should not be criticising Sky, you should be criticising ASO and the other organisers - and UCI - for organising the sport in a way, that makes it possible for one team to be that dominant.

I didn't think I did!

 

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Bagioli --> UAE