Transfers and Rumours 2018 > 2019

[WKA311]

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Schachmann to BORA-hansgrohe, confirmed by the team.

https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201809schachmann/argonnews201809schachmann/56241061

From now on, it's all about finishing 12th in a grand tour for Schachmann.

He himself said that it is about developing into a 1 week stage racer. What he can achive in GTs will maybe follow later.
Also I don't see a problem with Buchmann trying to ride to a top 10 in GC. If you never try, you don't know where your limits are. They now know better and with Germany being a pretty TDF GC centric country it only makes sense they try to find that german rider who can do it.

 

[Beobachter]

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So schachmann to Bora, And they seem to be going for mostly German according to their press release.
So the big question is...
Where does that leave Sam Bennet?

That "mostly German" is not what they said:
This move is also important to me as we want to underline our German roots. We want to be successful in the future, but not only with Peter, also with our German speaking talents.

No mention of Bennett who won three stages in the Giro for them this year.
Only mention being successful with Sagan and their German speaking talents.

You're trying to read here more than what is actually written.
Have you noticed they didn't say a word about Majka too for example? Simply because it was off-topic. Exactly as Bennett would have been off-topic in a press-release about Schachmann.
Highlithing the fact that Bora is more than just the Sagan-team and the team seeks to develop German-speaking riders makes sense when it comes to a press release about Schachmann joining the team.
Bennett is not the question here

(Regarding Bennett, he has always been one of the most important riders of the Bora-roster. The team fully trusts him and reciprocally. The shared past is very important here.
Bennett will still be one of the leaders of the team next year. And for 2020, we'll see what he decides. 2019 will be determining for him anyways since he'll have to prove (if not for Bora, at least for other teams but also himself) that he can be more regular than he actually is. He'll have to prove he can be one of the very best sprinters more than just a month (which was exactly what happened this year) if he wants to stay high in the hierachy.
But again,for the time-being, there is nothing to worry about. We'll see how the future will be )

 

[Beobachter]

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Schachmann to BORA-hansgrohe, confirmed by the team.

https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201809schachmann/argonnews201809schachmann/56241061

From now on, it's all about finishing 12th in a grand tour for Schachmann.

He himself said that it is about developing into a 1 week stage racer. What he can achive in GTs will maybe follow later.
Also I don't see a problem with Buchmann trying to ride to a top 10 in GC. If you never try, you don't know where your limits are. They now know better and with Germany being a pretty TDF GC centric country it only makes sense they try to find that german rider who can do it.

+1
I don't get how people can't get it's the normal way in the development of a rider. Progressing step by step by trying step by step.
And Bora as their riders do that pretty well. They don't want to go too fast. The interview of Schachmann by Radsport was very enlightening regarding that. The guy is not in a hurry and he's not stupid, going all out for a GT is not in his plans. Precisely then, it wont' "be all about finishing 12th in a GT".

 

[Flamin]

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Schachmann to BORA-hansgrohe, confirmed by the team.

https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201809schachmann/argonnews201809schachmann/56241061

Excellent transfer for Bora that is. Took a long time until the confirmation.

Leaving Quickstep never turns out well. You'd think these guys would know by now.

Pretty sure this is all about money. Schachmann is way more interesting for Bora as one of the big German prospects, meanwhile Quick Step probably couldn't afford or just wasn't willing to give him a significant raise.

 

[Salvarani]

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Schachmann to BORA-hansgrohe, confirmed by the team.

https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201809schachmann/argonnews201809schachmann/56241061

From now on, it's all about finishing 12th in a grand tour for Schachmann.

He himself said that it is about developing into a 1 week stage racer. What he can achive in GTs will maybe follow later.
Also I don't see a problem with Buchmann trying to ride to a top 10 in GC. If you never try, you don't know where your limits are. They now know better and with Germany being a pretty TDF GC centric country it only makes sense they try to find that german rider who can do it.

Great post

 

[Lexman]

Bora started negociations with Sagan to extend his contract (which ends in 2019) ...

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20180920_03769870

 

[janraaskalt]

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Also I don't see a problem with Buchmann trying to ride to a top 10 in GC. If you never try, you don't know where your limits are.

Of course that's the way it should work, but "all in for Buchmann" even in the last week of this Vuelta was a bit strange.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Also I don't see a problem with Buchmann trying to ride to a top 10 in GC. If you never try, you don't know where your limits are.

Of course that's the way it should work, but "all in for Buchmann" even in the last week of this Vuelta was a bit strange.

They didn’t ride all in for Buchmann. They juggled multiple priorities, riding for Sagan to get a stage and the points jersey, riding for Buchmann to get GC top 10, allowing other riders to try for the break.

The misleading complaints about them supposedly riding for eleventh place all come from one moment when they pulled back a split in the peloton on one stage. Some people here resented them mucking up a good situation for Valverde and other GC main protagonists and assisting Yates and just ignored the fact that closing the gap was in their interests in multiple ways (stage chances, points jersey, Buchmann) and just letting the lead group ride away was very much not in their interests. That’s the nature of GT racing. Movistar may have been acting to try to get Red but they were in the process taking away Sagan’s chance at Green, so of course Sagan’s sidekicks shut them down.

 

[janraaskalt]

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They didn’t ride all in for Buchmann. They juggled multiple priorities, riding for Sagan to get a stage and the points jersey, riding for Buchmann to get GC top 10, allowing other riders to try for the break.

For example Majka could try getting into the break, but if he did not manage that he had to work for Buchmann, while he should have saved energy back in the sprinters groups. Maybe that would have given them stage wins.

 

[WKA311]

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Schachmann to BORA-hansgrohe, confirmed by the team.

https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201809schachmann/argonnews201809schachmann/56241061

Excellent transfer for Bora that is. Took a long time until the confirmation.

Leaving Quickstep never turns out well. You'd think these guys would know by now.

Pretty sure this is all about money. Schachmann is way more interesting for Bora as one of the big German prospects, meanwhile Quick Step probably couldn't afford or just wasn't willing to give him a significant raise.

It wasn't. He supposedly had three offers (Bora, Quickstep and Lotto NL) and all of them were pretty similar moneywise. He said he went with a gut feeling with Bora. Also his salary is supposed to be 500k now.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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They didn’t ride all in for Buchmann. They juggled multiple priorities, riding for Sagan to get a stage and the points jersey, riding for Buchmann to get GC top 10, allowing other riders to try for the break.

For example Majka could try getting into the break, but if he did not manage that he had to work for Buchmann, while he should have saved energy back in the sprinters groups. Maybe that would have given them stage wins.

Well yes, juggling all of those goals meant that they approached all of them less optimally than concentrating on one. They’ve usually been able to succeed while trying a few things, for example getting a stage and usually something else (minor jersey, top 10) in the five GTs prior to the Vuelta. But when they fail at all of them, as at this Vuelta, the bit of this, bit of that approach looks less clever.

One of the things I like about them is that they treat their prospects as long term projects. With the GC guys, they give them some support and let them pursue good GC places, but without ever devoting the whole team to their cause. The main event is still Sagan (or Bennett, or now Ackermann). The would be GC rider gets to develop without the pressure of being the team’s main leader but with more support from the team than a GC man at say Quickstep could expect.

 

[yaco]

Dion Smith joins Mitchelton Scott on a two year deal
An excellent signing.

 

[janraaskalt]

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One of the things I like about them is that they treat their prospects as long term projects. With the GC guys, they give them some support and let them pursue good GC places, but without ever devoting the whole team to their cause. The main event is still Sagan (or Bennett, or now Ackermann). The would be GC rider gets to develop without the pressure of being the team’s main leader but with more support from the team than a GC man at say Quickstep could expect.

Don't get me wrong: I like them too. They're doing great things with their riders. You can't see past the fact that in terms of GC Schachmann, Buchmann, Majka, Konrad, Formolo are alike. They all want to get their chance for a GC in a Grand Tour. I definitely see at least 1 one them leaving Bora after 2019.

 

[hmpower]

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Believe they went for Paddy Bevan and Geogre Bennett also. So very good addition for them.

Dion Smith joins Mitchelton Scott on a two year deal
An excellent signing.

 

[Flamin]

Re: Re:

Schachmann to BORA-hansgrohe, confirmed by the team.

https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201809schachmann/argonnews201809schachmann/56241061

Excellent transfer for Bora that is. Took a long time until the confirmation.

Leaving Quickstep never turns out well. You'd think these guys would know by now.

Pretty sure this is all about money. Schachmann is way more interesting for Bora as one of the big German prospects, meanwhile Quick Step probably couldn't afford or just wasn't willing to give him a significant raise.

It wasn't. He supposedly had three offers (Bora, Quickstep and Lotto NL) and all of them were pretty similar moneywise. He said he went with a gut feeling with Bora. Also his salary is supposed to be 500k now.

Do you have a source? Hard to imagine Quick Step letting Terpstra go, yet offering Schachmann a big raise (his current contract couldn't have been that much).

 

[Red Rick]

Don't find it that hard to imagine, as I think Terpstra is way more expensive than Schachmann.

 

[Laplaz]

Nizzolo to Dimension Data until 2020.

 

[Flamin]

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Don't find it that hard to imagine, as I think Terpstra is way more expensive than Schachmann.

Ok maybe it isn't indeed. If that 500k/year figure is right though, that's incredibly high for a guy like Schachmann and I doubt Quick Step was willing to go that far.

 

[WKA311]

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Don't find it that hard to imagine, as I think Terpstra is way more expensive than Schachmann.

Ok maybe it isn't indeed. If that 500k/year figure is right though, that's incredibly high for a guy like Schachmann and I doubt Quick Step was willing to go that far.

http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_111900.htm

This is a short interview in german with Schachmann:
- says that he had a lot of interest from teams
- he had a good feeling with Bora from the beginning of negotiations
- he wants develop in stage racing, but in one week tours first (names BinckBank as an example)
- Other riders with GC focus in the team are further then him in development, so there shouldn't be a GT clash with them
- wants to reach his potential at 27-28
- Bora, Quickstep and LottoNL were the main protagonists of his negotiations
- Contract offers were pretty similar moneywise
- he went with a gut feeling with Bora

His salary went up from 70k to 500k as reported by Eurosport with sources at Sport Bild.
https://www.eurosport.de/radsport/maximilian-schachmann-vor-wechsel-zu-bora-hansgrohe_sto6937709/story.shtml

 

[Flamin]

Thank you.

I don't really believe the money thing (that Quick Step also offered him close to 500k) but okay. These are pretty standard answers.

 

[dick the quick]

Laurens ten Dam joins CCC.

https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/int...ing_wealth_of_experience_to_continuum_sports/

 

[glassmoon]

Ten Dam to CCC...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ten-dam-signs-for-ccc-team/

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Ten Dam to CCC...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ten-dam-signs-for-ccc-team/

What do they expect him to be able to do for them? It’s not like they have a load of young climbers to mentor, a GC rider to act as Road captain for etc.

 

[Anderis]

They are generally struggling to fill up their roster with quality riders. I guess they have small budget and also all the uncertainty about sponsorship, structure etc. for 2019 has made it harder for them to attract good riders.
I guess the intention is that a rider like Ten Dam will ride for them for a year because they didn't manage to attract more interesting riders and then retire making a place in their roster to try to sign more promising riders while being a more established team for 2020. It only makes sense to sign young riders if they have signalised a WT level potential. There is a limited number of such riders and a team like CCC might be struggling against more stable teams to hire them. So it might be better to go for riders like Ten Dam than for a bunch of second-rate young riders that would most likely struggle to even reach the finish-line of WT races.

 

[Jagartrott]

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Ten Dam to CCC...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ten-dam-signs-for-ccc-team/

*** the quick was faster. Who'd have thought?