Teams & Riders Transfers and Rumours 2019 > 2020

[tobydawq]

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With the 1st of August approaching, what do you think will be the first oficially confirmed transfer?

Carapaz to Ineos or Nibali to Trek.

 

[Koronin]

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After the way the end of stage 20 played out I doubt Movistar would even remotely consider re-signing Quintana and likely would not consider re-signing Landa either.

Why not ditch Soler too?

Soler worked and did a great job. He along with Amador, Verona, Erviti, and Oliveira did a very good job. The team is hoping Soler can turn into a leader for them.

Considering Landa had a Giro in his legs in which he also performed at a high level you need to say he done his job as well. Valverde didn't his stage win and for the team but I don't think we can be to harsh on him

I was thinking more with Landa on stage 20 not really helping Valverde try to get his stage win. However, otherwise I think Landa did the best he could have and if Barguil wouldn't have forced him off the road on the crosswinds stage he would have been right in the middle of the GC battle and would have had a top 5. Although there is a sense Valverde is not happy about how things on stage 20 happened, he and Landa seem to be good with each other. So it's possible there isn't anything from the Tour that would prevent Movistar from re-signing Landa.

Oh the silly tactics on stage 20 seemed to be team orders to me hence me not considering it a failing for Landa[/quote]


You have a point. Their tactics have been questionable at best. It is possible that Movistar may still give Landa a contract offer and it's possible they are talking to him and just haven't given him a written offer as well.

 

[DNP-Old]

Ineos will sign Carlos Rodriguez. Very talented kid from Contador's team, only 18 years old.

 

[LaFlorecita]

They better won't or I'll riot

 

[DNP-Old]

Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

Exactly. These boys should be nurtured at (pro) Conti level for a year or two, not thrown into the deep end. Not all talents are Evenepoel, Sagan or Bernal.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

Exactly. These boys should be nurtured at (pro) Conti level for a year or two, not thrown into the deep end. Not all talents are Evenepoel, Sagan or Bernal.

Yup. I’m certain that if you threw Van Wilder, who was great as a junior, but unfortunately overshadowed by the insanity of Remco, and currently is one of the best first year U23s in years to World Tour level, he wouldn’t do anything noteworthy for a year or two. This needs to stop.

Marco Brenner is by far the best junior this season at 16 years old. What’s next, him turning pro with BORA at the age of 17? For every successful rider, there’ll be many more failures, and it’s a massive waste of exciting talent.

 

[repre]

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Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

That's sportswide trend, every team want to get the best talent avalaible, no matter what. That's leads to a "redshirt" season or two most times for kids to get their feet wet. In NBA they draft 19 yrs old guys who clearly talented but not ready and sometimes they get Giannis, other times they get busts. In MLB teams also promoting players in younger age than 5-10 years ago. And so on, so its not just cycling.
And to be fair most of the kids already have veteran mentality and are better prepared physically, than 5-10 yrs ago. Boy become the man faster in sports nowadays, so its all right for some to compete with 30 yrs old men. Some of them are not ready and bust out too...

 

[Red Rick]

It's basically the equivalent of all the big money football teams snatching 15 and 16 year olds and stashing them in an academy or loaning them out.

 

[King Boonen]

Been happening like this forever (and still does), but it used to be it was local and national sized teams taking on the youngsters, now the international teams are picking up the most talented at a younger age. Turn up at some of the E/1/2/3 races around me and 90% of the field will be riding for a "trade" team.


Whether it's a good or a bad thing is very dependent on the rider and the team.

 

[King Boonen]

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Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

Exactly. These boys should be nurtured at (pro) Conti level for a year or two, not thrown into the deep end. Not all talents are Evenepoel, Sagan or Bernal.

Don't both these teams have "feeder" conti/pro-conti teams they'll likely farm them out to? Astana City I think is one, unsure about Trek.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

Exactly. These boys should be nurtured at (pro) Conti level for a year or two, not thrown into the deep end. Not all talents are Evenepoel, Sagan or Bernal.

Don't both these teams have "feeder" conti/pro-conti teams they'll likely farm them out to? Astana City I think is one, unsure about Trek.

Kometa team is Trek's feeder team, but unlikely to be so next year as they've filed for a pro Conti licence. I think if those guys are rumored to have signed/be signing for the teams it'll be with the actual team, unless they are contracts for 2021 or later.

 

[claude cat]

Chris Harper (Bridgelane) to Jumbo-Visma

https://t.co/GaV6QWDvPj

 

[staubsauger]

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Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

Exactly. These boys should be nurtured at (pro) Conti level for a year or two, not thrown into the deep end. Not all talents are Evenepoel, Sagan or Bernal.

Don't both these teams have "feeder" conti/pro-conti teams they'll likely farm them out to? Astana City I think is one, unsure about Trek.

Kometa team is Trek's feeder team, but unlikely to be so next year as they've filed for a pro Conti licence. I think if those guys are rumored to have signed/be signing for the teams it'll be with the actual team, unless they are contracts for 2021 or later.

Martinelli certainly knows how to nurture young talents, see Pantani, Cunego, etc.!

 

[MatParker117]

Katusha will merge with Arkea:

https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/katusha-eigenaar-makarov-kiest-voor-fusie-met-arkea-samsic/

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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Katusha will merge with Arkea:

https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/katusha-eigenaar-makarov-kiest-voor-fusie-met-arkea-samsic/

It seems like a strange combination of riders. There will be a lot of group formation.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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Katusha will merge with Arkea:

https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/katusha-eigenaar-makarov-kiest-voor-fusie-met-arkea-samsic/

It seems like a strange combination of riders. There will be a lot of group formation.

Also, you know, an ivestment bank linking themself with a russian organisation in general.

 

[Stilletto]

Astana renewing with Omar Fraille for 2 years. According to Astana Twitter.

 

[Stilletto]

Fernando Barcelo Euskade to Arkea rumoured from the Katusha merger article.

 

[Bakkie]

CX rider Quinten Hermans is on his way to Total Direct Energie. (Wielerflits.nl)

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

It appears to be a contract year for every single Irish pro:

Dan Martin (UAE) -> Rumoured Total Direct Energie?
Eddie Dunbar (Ineos) ->
Ryan Mullen (Trek) ->
Nicolas Roche (Sunweb) ->
Sam Bennett (Bora) -> Rumoured Deceuninck Quickstep
Conor Dunne (ICA) ->
Stephen Clancy (Novo Nordisk) -> Will presumably stay if team continues

I would expect all of them to get another pro contract somewhere, apart from Clancy who is only likely to get one where he is. I’ve heard no rumours about any other Irish riders joining the pro ranks unless Pro Evo Racing goes Pro Conti.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

Exactly. These boys should be nurtured at (pro) Conti level for a year or two, not thrown into the deep end. Not all talents are Evenepoel, Sagan or Bernal.

Yup. I’m certain that if you threw Van Wilder, who was great as a junior, but unfortunately overshadowed by the insanity of Remco, and currently is one of the best first year U23s in years to World Tour level, he wouldn’t do anything noteworthy for a year or two. This needs to stop.

Marco Brenner is by far the best junior this season at 16 years old. What’s next, him turning pro with BORA at the age of 17? For every successful rider, there’ll be many more failures, and it’s a massive waste of exciting talent.

Can't help but think teams are trying to beat Ineos to the punch, with them snatching Sosa, Bernal, Sivakov, Dunbar, Hart... early on. We know they were going after Evenepoel as well, and that under normal circumstances, Evenepoel was going to ride for Hagen Bermans Axeon, for at least 6 to 12 months, before moving to DQS. It was because Sky made a move, DQS were forced to reel him in immediately and have him skip the U23 alltogether.

I honestly do think that has changed the way teams are looking for young talent.

Imagine Ineos snatching Evenepoel and Pogacar as well. We could stop watching GT's for the next 10 years.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Gio Lonardi has signed with Bardiani and Alessandro Monaco will turn pro with them.
Source: https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/08/01/1564676389/lonardi-monaco-bardiani-csf

 

[Anderis]

Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.

Exactly. These boys should be nurtured at (pro) Conti level for a year or two, not thrown into the deep end. Not all talents are Evenepoel, Sagan or Bernal.

Yup. I’m certain that if you threw Van Wilder, who was great as a junior, but unfortunately overshadowed by the insanity of Remco, and currently is one of the best first year U23s in years to World Tour level, he wouldn’t do anything noteworthy for a year or two. This needs to stop.

Marco Brenner is by far the best junior this season at 16 years old. What’s next, him turning pro with BORA at the age of 17? For every successful rider, there’ll be many more failures, and it’s a massive waste of exciting talent.

Can't help but think teams are trying to beat Ineos to the punch, with them snatching Sosa, Bernal, Sivakov, Dunbar, Hart... early on. We know they were going after Evenepoel as well, and that under normal circumstances, Evenepoel was going to ride for Hagen Bermans Axeon, for at least 6 to 12 months, before moving to DQS. It was because Sky made a move, DQS were forced to reel him in immediately and have him skip the U23 alltogether.

I honestly do think that has changed the way teams are looking for young talent.

Imagine Ineos snatching Evenepoel and Pogacar as well. We could stop watching GT's for the next 10 years.

I don't think it's Ineos' fault. I see similar patterns in other sports disciplines. Teams try to snatch the biggest talents as fast as possible.to reap benefits later on. It's easier to scout the best talents in lower ranks than it was not so long ago because the access to information in general in all aspects of life has been increasing rapidly with modern technology. Teams have to do that in order to keep up because there's no reason not to try to secure the biggest talents in advance before others lock them up on long-term deals. Of course for every next big star there might be 3 or 4 guys promoted too early or not being able to deliver the promise but that how it goes. Having that next Sagan or Bernal at your team as soon as possible and not only after they have proven themselves is worth it even if it doesn't work out like that with every rider you try. Also having these riders under the best training staff etc. might accelerate their development compared to them being groomed steadily in lesser teams.

As I said, it's not because of Ineos because it happens in other disciplines. For example in F1 20 or 30 years ago a typical career would look like: you spend many years driving less powerful cars, step up to F1 in your mid 20-ties, spend a couple of seasons with back/midfield team and prove yourself an option for a top team this way. Nowadays you step up to lower racing series at 16, if you're good, you're snatched by one of the big teams within a year or two and getting bond with a long-term commitment. By late teens or early 20-ties the big team has found a seat at back/midfield F1 team for you, you have 1-2 years for yourself to prove and either they see a next Hamilton in you and put you immediately in a top seat or they do not and you hope to land one of the few remaining midfield seats left or you retire from F1 at 22-23 years old. Also in soccer they even had to introduce some rules to prevent the biggest clubs from transferring children from all over the world to their youth teams if I'm not mistaken because it was happening on a large scale.

Btw. I'm surprised we seem not to have any significant transfer confirmed, yet (as least for men's WT). IIRC a couple of years ago several teams ruished to confirm some transfers by afternoon of August 1st.

 

[Squire]

Kristoffer Halvorsen to EF according to procycling.no.