Teams & Riders Transfers and Rumours 2019 > 2020

[claude cat]

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I could be wrong, but I am 99% certain that the Chaves rumor to Ineos is unsubstantiated.

I would be very surprised, after the close links Chaves has forged with MS.
But, money talks, so who knows.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Poels, De La Cruz and Rosa all to leave Ineos this year.

To be replaced by Carapaz, Benoot and Chaves.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Why are Ineos going so South American? A market Ineos want to crack?

South American is def in dire need of some fracking. Make South America great again! Bolsonaro would be proud, climate change and deforestation are a hoax after all.

 

[yaco]

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I could be wrong, but I am 99% certain that the Chaves rumor to Ineos is unsubstantiated.

I would be very surprised, after the close links Chaves has forged with MS.
But, money talks, so who knows.

Chaves would get a similar wage at Mitchelton Scott - Let's wait and see - Anyway, Chaves is riding L'Etape Australia at the end of November.

 

[janraaskalt]

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I could be wrong, but I am 99% certain that the Chaves rumor to Ineos is unsubstantiated.

Chaves is also appointed leader in the Vuelta, which they usually not do if someone leaves.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

You people advocating a salary cap in cycling are way off base.

It's not the rider salaries which is the problem, it is how the wealth in the sport is shared.
Compared to any other sport with similar reach, the salaries cyclists get are laughable, and the business model for team owners is ridiculous.

We need all the teams to get to Ineos level, not limit Ineos to the poor teams' level.

 

[Red Rick]

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You people advocating a salary cap in cycling are way off base.

It's not the rider salaries which is the problem, it is how the wealth in the sport is shared.
Compared to any other sport with similar reach, the salaries cyclists get are laughable, and the business model for team owners is ridiculous.

We need all the teams to get to Ineos level, not limit Ineos to the poor teams' level.

Pretty much.

Cycling is weird cause it's actually really cheap to sponsor compared to bigger sports and be competitive at a very high level. Problems just arise when there's only one real multinational throwing the super big money around.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Assuming that there is a total salary cap, they will setup 2 teams(Ineos-A and B) of 20 mil each and then they will have 16 riders in the tour which will be worse than before.

 

[Mayomaniac]

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Assuming that there is a total salary cap, they will setup 2 teams(Ineos-A and B) of 20 mil each and then they will have 16 riders in the tour which will be worse than before.

Come on, not allowing 2 teams with the same owner/sponsor in the same race is pretty obvious, it would be a conflict of interest.
I still think that a budget cap is more realistic than suddenly getting a lot more huge sponsors to found teams with huge budgets.
With a 15 or 20M budget cap more medium sized sponsors would have an incentive to sponsor a wt team because they'd no longer have to compete with teams that have a way bigger budget.
Of course you'd need to have a transitional period of 2 years because on ongoing riders contracts and stuff like that.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Assuming that there is a total salary cap, they will setup 2 teams(Ineos-A and B) of 20 mil each and then they will have 16 riders in the tour which will be worse than before.

Come on, not allowing 2 teams with the same owner/sponsor in the same race is pretty obvious, it would be a conflict of interest.
I still think that a budget cap is more realistic than suddenly getting a lot more huge sponsors to found teams with huge budgets.
With a 15 or 20M budget cap more medium sized sponsors would have an incentive to sponsor a wt team because they'd no longer have to compete with teams that have a way bigger budget.
Of course you'd need to have a transitional period of 2 years because on ongoing riders contracts and stuff like that.

You are ignoring the fundamental problem in cycling.

It's not the riders or teams making the money, it's the race owners.

The model has to change fundamentally, before it makes sense to limit the rider salaries, otherwise you are just creating an even larger imbalance than is there today.

 

[Red Rick]

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Assuming that there is a total salary cap, they will setup 2 teams(Ineos-A and B) of 20 mil each and then they will have 16 riders in the tour which will be worse than before.

Come on, not allowing 2 teams with the same owner/sponsor in the same race is pretty obvious, it would be a conflict of interest.
I still think that a budget cap is more realistic than suddenly getting a lot more huge sponsors to found teams with huge budgets.
With a 15 or 20M budget cap more medium sized sponsors would have an incentive to sponsor a wt team because they'd no longer have to compete with teams that have a way bigger budget.
Of course you'd need to have a transitional period of 2 years because on ongoing riders contracts and stuff like that.

Isn't it almost impossible to enforce though? And you still have discrepancies due to differences in taxes and stuff like that.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Assuming that there is a total salary cap, they will setup 2 teams(Ineos-A and B) of 20 mil each and then they will have 16 riders in the tour which will be worse than before.

Come on, not allowing 2 teams with the same owner/sponsor in the same race is pretty obvious, it would be a conflict of interest.
I still think that a budget cap is more realistic than suddenly getting a lot more huge sponsors to found teams with huge budgets.
With a 15 or 20M budget cap more medium sized sponsors would have an incentive to sponsor a wt team because they'd no longer have to compete with teams that have a way bigger budget.
Of course you'd need to have a transitional period of 2 years because on ongoing riders contracts and stuff like that.

Isn't it almost impossible to enforce though? And you still have discrepancies due to differences in taxes and stuff like that.

Luxembourg would get 20 world tour teams

 

[Nirvana]

Personally I don't like when people scream for a budget cap or something that limit the expenses because I remember when something like 10 (or a bit more) years ago was asked loud for football because they had the fear to see some very rich owner dominate, then UEFA implemented the FFP to go behind popular request and the result has been the opposite of the one they wanted and now there is only a small number of teams dominating thanks to very big incomes and the difference with other team continues to grow because if you don't have a big income you can't buy big players and without big players there isn't marketing and your income doesn't grow.

 

[Ludwigzgz]

Landa out of Movistar? No offer from Movistar to Landa: "I have no offer from Movistar. The important thing would not be the economic, but the sporting aspect"

https://www.marca.com/ciclismo/2019/07/28/5d3e0e70ca474184688b462a.html

 

[Koronin]

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Landa out of Movistar? No offer from Movistar to Landa: "I have no offer from Movistar. The important thing would not be the economic, but the sporting aspect"

https://www.marca.com/ciclismo/2019/07/28/5d3e0e70ca474184688b462a.html

Correct, from all reports Movistar has not offered Landa a new contract. 2-3 months ago Mr Unzue was asked something about if he planned on re-signing any of their top 3 riders. This was before the announcement of Valverde signing for 2 more years plus 3 additional years. However it was well known (per Valverde himself) that he was in negotiations with the team and that he was going to re-sign with them. This was in referrence to Landa, Quintana and Carapaz and Mr Unzue said the only one of the 3 they were negotiating with was Carapaz. Interesting as he usually won't say who they are or aren't negotiating with. Again interestingly they have also stated they have offered Erviti a new contract, but he hasn't decided if he wants to keep racing or retire yet.

 

[Red Rick]

Movistar doesn't make any sense to me. Carapaz to Ineos seems is all but announced, and keeping Landa around should be the top priority as soon as that happens. Mas should probably be cheaper than Quintana as well.

 

[staubsauger]

Imagine Landa eventually ends up back at Astana, instead of Bahrain!

Quintana's alternative option being Arkea and Movistar's alternative option being Fuglsang, they might actually end-up resigning out of pure frustration!

 

[perico]

El Pistolero confirmed Mas to Movistar.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/deportes/ciclismo/20190729/463750964289/enric-mas-movistar-alberto-contador.html?facet=amp

 

[Koronin]

After the way the end of stage 20 played out I doubt Movistar would even remotely consider re-signing Quintana and likely would not consider re-signing Landa either.

 

[Red Rick]

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After the way the end of stage 20 played out I doubt Movistar would even remotely consider re-signing Quintana and likely would not consider re-signing Landa either.

Why not ditch Soler too?

 

[Akuryo]

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After the way the end of stage 20 played out I doubt Movistar would even remotely consider re-signing Quintana and likely would not consider re-signing Landa either.

Why not ditch Soler too?

They need at least some mountain support for Mas or he could just stay at Quickstep with Knox and Serry als only helpers.

 

[Koronin]

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After the way the end of stage 20 played out I doubt Movistar would even remotely consider re-signing Quintana and likely would not consider re-signing Landa either.

Why not ditch Soler too?

Soler worked and did a great job. He along with Amador, Verona, Erviti, and Oliveira did a very good job. The team is hoping Soler can turn into a leader for them.

 

[Midnightfright]

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After the way the end of stage 20 played out I doubt Movistar would even remotely consider re-signing Quintana and likely would not consider re-signing Landa either.

Why not ditch Soler too?

Soler worked and did a great job. He along with Amador, Verona, Erviti, and Oliveira did a very good job. The team is hoping Soler can turn into a leader for them.

Considering Landa had a Giro in his legs in which he also performed at a high level you need to say he done his job as well. Valverde didn't his stage win and for the team but I don't think we can be to harsh on him

 

[Koronin]

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After the way the end of stage 20 played out I doubt Movistar would even remotely consider re-signing Quintana and likely would not consider re-signing Landa either.

Why not ditch Soler too?

Soler worked and did a great job. He along with Amador, Verona, Erviti, and Oliveira did a very good job. The team is hoping Soler can turn into a leader for them.

Considering Landa had a Giro in his legs in which he also performed at a high level you need to say he done his job as well. Valverde didn't his stage win and for the team but I don't think we can be to harsh on him

I was thinking more with Landa on stage 20 not really helping Valverde try to get his stage win. However, otherwise I think Landa did the best he could have and if Barguil wouldn't have forced him off the road on the crosswinds stage he would have been right in the middle of the GC battle and would have had a top 5. Although there is a sense Valverde is not happy about how things on stage 20 happened, he and Landa seem to be good with each other. So it's possible there isn't anything from the Tour that would prevent Movistar from re-signing Landa.

 

[Midnightfright]

Re: Re:

After the way the end of stage 20 played out I doubt Movistar would even remotely consider re-signing Quintana and likely would not consider re-signing Landa either.

Why not ditch Soler too?

Soler worked and did a great job. He along with Amador, Verona, Erviti, and Oliveira did a very good job. The team is hoping Soler can turn into a leader for them.

Considering Landa had a Giro in his legs in which he also performed at a high level you need to say he done his job as well. Valverde didn't his stage win and for the team but I don't think we can be to harsh on him

I was thinking more with Landa on stage 20 not really helping Valverde try to get his stage win. However, otherwise I think Landa did the best he could have and if Barguil wouldn't have forced him off the road on the crosswinds stage he would have been right in the middle of the GC battle and would have had a top 5. Although there is a sense Valverde is not happy about how things on stage 20 happened, he and Landa seem to be good with each other. So it's possible there isn't anything from the Tour that would prevent Movistar from re-signing Landa.

Oh the silly tactics on stage 20 seemed to be team orders to me hence me not considering it a failing for Landa

 

[Anderis]

With the 1st of August approaching, what do you think will be the first oficially confirmed transfer?