Triathlon

[Dear Wiggo]

That and this type of behaviour:

http://www.slowtwitch.com/Opinion/Impatience_is_certainly_not_cool_4461.html

Outstanding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adBbsV9DFmo

 

[TomasC]

No matter how many times or variations I hear this joke, I still giggle at it.

As it is completely true.

One of my wife's co workers is the prime example.

I know her first name, what job she does, and the fact she has now completed 2 ironman tri's. (I was told the times, but pretty much instantly forgot them)

Literally nothing else. I don't know if she is married, has kids anything.

"Swim 2.4 miles! Bike 112 miles! Run 26.2 miles! Brag for the rest of your life!"
They have to do it, it's the original vision of the sport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironman_Triathlon#History, 2nd paragraph of the History.

 

[Jancouver]

After reading this http://www.usada.org/brook-radcliffe-accepts-doping-sanction/

the question is: How much (if any) dope testing is there in Triathlon? I can imagine the age groupers/masters will never get tested.

Would that be a correct assumptions?

 

[neineinei]

According to Swedish triathlete Andreas Lindén (http://andreaslinden.se/en/) he hadn't been tested for five years (OOC I guess)

https://twitter.com/Lindenandreas/status/602424445597253632
"Nobody knows where I am, Nobody knows what I am doing. Nobody knows what I am putting into my body. Today: 5 years since my last doping test"

 

[ebandit]

i see a division.............ironman...........anything goes

olympic/world series distance..........anything that competitors can get away with.......just like athletics

Mark L

 

[del1962]

Re:

After reading this http://www.usada.org/brook-radcliffe-accepts-doping-sanction/

the question is: How much (if any) dope testing is there in Triathlon? I can imagine the age groupers/masters will never get tested.

Would that be a correct assumptions?

somewhere lower than cycling's past and greater than the number who fail tests

yes that is a pretty large range

or another way of saying I have no idea

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

Re:

After reading this http://www.usada.org/brook-radcliffe-accepts-doping-sanction/

the question is: How much (if any) dope testing is there in Triathlon? I can imagine the age groupers/masters will never get tested.

Would that be a correct assumptions?

Actually there are 10 random tests carried out at every Ironman race - usually the top three men and women and then there are randoms drawn from the rest of the field. Of course the fact most age groupers are not doping and the pro's know how to beat the tests means there are never many positives so nothing is ever heard of. There was a positive of an age group man a few months ago who tested positive for testosterone and got caught out between having a TUE from the USA triathlon federation and not having one from Ironman and the WTC and as it is a WTC event he got a 2 year ban.

As said before the history of Ironman is littered with doping unfortunately but that is what happens when you have a young sport with a lot of money (for the top one or two ) and bragging rights at stake.

 

[pastronef]

Sam Laidlow, sick of gratuitous unfunded accusations, names the names accusing him

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[Nick2413]

Sam Laidlow, sick of gratuitous unfunded accusations, names the names accusing him

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[pastronef]

It was deleted, any details?

he called out 3-4 persons, by name, who hinted at him not being clean and accused him one way or another. and he said he isn't going to be silent and let them throw gratuitous and unfounded accusations

 

[Nick2413]

he called out 3-4 persons, by name, who hinted at him not being clean and accused him one way or another. and he said he isn't going to be silent and let them throw gratuitous and unfounded accusations

I guess that’s fair but he definitely is about the most suspicious guy in tri right now for a lot of reasons imo.

 

[pastronef]

I guess that’s fair but he definitely is about the most suspicious guy in tri right now for a lot of reasons imo.

I didn't know who he was until I saw that Insta pic posted by someone on twitter. nevertheless kudos to him for answering and naming names accusing him

 

[Cookster15]

I guess that’s fair but he definitely is about the most suspicious guy in tri right now for a lot of reasons imo.

What reasons are those?

Not really up to date with Triathlon these days. As a result of seeing this thread I took a look at recent ironman results. Most of the time gains in the last 30 years have been on the bike leg. I put that down to technology more than doping.

In Ironman and especially Hawaii, the conditions play a big role. It gets hot and windy. When its cooler or lower winds the times are faster.

• In 1989 Hawaii Ironman Dave Scott and Mark Allen ran a 2:40 marathon off the bike. In 2022 Gustav Iden ran 2:36. A 4 minute improvement.
• In 1989 Allen and Scott completed the bike leg in 4:37. In 2022 Laidlaw completed the bike leg in 4:04:36. A 33 minute improvement.

http://www.bede-kraut.at/media/ergebnisliste-ironman-hawaii-1989-2.pdf

 

[Nick2413]

What reasons are those?

Not really up to date with Triathlon these days. As a result of seeing this thread I took a look at recent ironman results. Most of the time gains in the last 30 years have been on the bike leg. I put that down to technology more than doping.

In Ironman and especially Hawaii, the conditions play a big role. It gets hot and windy. When its cooler or lower winds the times are faster.

• In 1989 Hawaii Ironman Dave Scott and Mark Allen ran a 2:40 marathon off the bike. In 2022 Gustav Iden ran 2:36. A 4 minute improvement.
• In 1989 Allen and Scott completed the bike leg in 4:37. In 2022 Laidlaw completed the bike leg in 4:04:36. A 33 minute improvement.

http://www.bede-kraut.at/media/ergebnisliste-ironman-hawaii-1989-2.pdf

I agree bike tech is a bigger source of improvement. He came out of the relative unknown and had a pretty silly sounding excuse of having to “move house” when cancelling a major race this year directly after the big doping bust of Collin Chartier. After speaking on podcasts about how hyped he was for the race. I don’t think the other top athletes are clean either ftr, this just seems even harder to believe.

 

[Cookster15]

Worth a bump after seeing the times in the Frankfurt Ironman.

IRONMAN Frankfurt 2025 results: Blummenfelt defends title on drama-packed day

Results from IRONMAN Frankfurt, where Kristian Blummenfelt repeated last year's victory on a memorable day for Norway.

www.tri247.com

Pro Men

• 1. Kristian Blummenfelt (NOR) – 7:25:57 [49:18 / 4:00:32 / 2:30:59]
• 2. Kristian Høgenhaug (DEN) – 7:28:32 [48:05 / 3:52:10 / 2:42:43]
• 3. Casper Stornes (NOR) – 7:29:48 [48:02 / 4:01:342 / 2:35:02]
• 4. Gustav Iden (NOR) – 7:33:51 [49:33 / 4:00:20 / 2:38:54]
• 5. Jonas Hoffmann (GER) – 7:35:55 [49:30 / 4:02:01 / 2:39:19]
• 6. Rudy Von Berg (USA) – 7:40:00 [49:15 / 4:00:25 / 2:45:07]
• 7. Patrick Lange (GER) – 7:41:38 [49:19 / 4:06:11 / 2:39:57]
• 8. Magnus Ditlev (DEN) – 7:42:22 [49:44 / 3:59:05 / 2:47:45]
• 9. Cameron Wurf (AUS) – 7:43:12 [55:53 / 3:53:46 / 2:48:25]
• 10. Paul Schuster (GER) – 7:43:44 [49:20 / 4:06:24 / 2:42:52]

Blummenfelt runs a 2:30 marathon after putting in a 4:00 flat bike leg (45km/h minimal drafting)? That is nuts.

No doubt aero development is a big reason why but the marathon times are not explained by technology except maybe there is less fatigue by being able to finish the bike with adequate reserves.

 

[Ripper]

Worth a bump after seeing the times in the Frankfurt Ironman.

IRONMAN Frankfurt 2025 results: Blummenfelt defends title on drama-packed day

Results from IRONMAN Frankfurt, where Kristian Blummenfelt repeated last year's victory on a memorable day for Norway.

www.tri247.com

Pro Men

• 1. Kristian Blummenfelt (NOR) – 7:25:57 [49:18 / 4:00:32 / 2:30:59]
• 2. Kristian Høgenhaug (DEN) – 7:28:32 [48:05 / 3:52:10 / 2:42:43]
• 3. Casper Stornes (NOR) – 7:29:48 [48:02 / 4:01:342 / 2:35:02]
• 4. Gustav Iden (NOR) – 7:33:51 [49:33 / 4:00:20 / 2:38:54]
• 5. Jonas Hoffmann (GER) – 7:35:55 [49:30 / 4:02:01 / 2:39:19]
• 6. Rudy Von Berg (USA) – 7:40:00 [49:15 / 4:00:25 / 2:45:07]
• 7. Patrick Lange (GER) – 7:41:38 [49:19 / 4:06:11 / 2:39:57]
• 8. Magnus Ditlev (DEN) – 7:42:22 [49:44 / 3:59:05 / 2:47:45]
• 9. Cameron Wurf (AUS) – 7:43:12 [55:53 / 3:53:46 / 2:48:25]
• 10. Paul Schuster (GER) – 7:43:44 [49:20 / 4:06:24 / 2:42:52]

Blummenfelt runs a 2:30 marathon after putting in a 4:00 flat bike leg (45km/h minimal drafting)? That is nuts.

No doubt aero development is a big reason why but the marathon times are not explained by technology except maybe there is less fatigue by being able to finish the bike with adequate reserves.

It's the shoes!

But honestly, I think triathlon is right OTT now. Really strong endurance swims, 45 kph ride for 180 km, then drop a 2:30-2:40 marathon ... 2:30 by the chunky monkey