Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[SuperHuman]

Again, Armstrong was still riding this season and he was enjoying the position in the peloton he gained through PEDs. His going down is a powerful, potentially cathartic symbol, especially as many riders seem to admire him. Now, they'll know that even if you're the biggest rider, and even if you're protected by the powers that be, you're not safe.

Riders must be 100% certain that they'll get caught. Then we can work on making it so that getting caught after the fact isn't still worth it.

If you minimize the boosts you can get from doping through programs like a properly handled biological passport, AND you keep up the police pressure on PED trafficking and use, there'll be a point where doping isn't worth it for most but the most reckless riders.

I think you need to make a distinction between the American scene and the rest of the world. Superstars like Valverde, Basso, and perhaps Contador this year, get banned for doping but come back and are still treated like big stars. Basso was cheered for winning the Giro last year. To learn that Armstrong doped along with the rest of the top tear of his era isn't going to be cathartic in Europe where most of the sport is based. It will have a negative effect but it won't be cathartic - it will just put a slight downer on the sport as a whole and it will move on as normal. Pro cycling has always been about what's happening now, not what happened in the past - it's a very forward looking sport.

 

[GotDropped]

Then are we going to arrest Eddie Merkx as well for testing positive? Why would Armstrong be the only one who goes to prison for doping?

If we're talking about today's riders then what influences them most is what they believe other current riders are doing. They have seen many successful past riders banned for doping and it doesn't make any difference - it's all about the rules and procedures that they currently face.

If Armstrong goes to prison (something I seriously doubt will happen), it won't be for doping... but trafficking, fraud, illegal use of govenment funds etc...

That doesn't matter to me. What does matter is that if he cheated, then it should be exposed as a deterrant for future tempations.

 

[Roadent]

One would hope that that more mainstream press will realize that Tyler and Floyd have a lot, and have, to lose from this - no 'book deal' will make for this - glad that Juliet Macur and Bonnie Ford have been on this since day one - inevitable NYT article will raise some eyebrows. Wonderboy missed Oprah's last show, too, so don't know what he'll do now...

 

[pmcg76]

Then are we going to arrest Eddie Merkx as well for testing positive? Why would Armstrong be the only one who goes to prison for doping?

If we're talking about today's riders then what influences them most is what they believe other current riders are doing. They have seen many successful past riders banned for doping and it doesn't make any difference - it's all about the rules and procedures that they currently face.

The big thing is this, the UCI seemingly willingly covered up a positive test in 2001. Lance was done and dusted there and then but his celebrity mainstream appeal meant he was a golden goose for cycling which ensured he got away with it. Why, because of his cancer story and that is what we have been hammering for year, how he used cancer to create a false legacy and become super rich off it. That is why he deserves to go down.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Yea they broke the news on what practically everyone on this forum has known for like 12 years or more. Lance Armstrong doped and most of the peloton does too. Serious cutting edge late breaking reportage by 60 minutes.

Yeah. But your Avg.-Joe in USA doesn´t read the clinic

 

[thehog]

Crucial:

Hamilton and Landis did not overlap at Postal, although the two men's careers have been intertwined for years.

 

[SnaptPhotography]

http://www.facts4lance.com

 

[benzwire]

@lancearmstrong
Lance Armstrong
20+ year career. 500 drug controls worldwide, in and out of competition. Never a failed test. I rest my case.

Neither did Ullrich. Neither did Basso. Etc, etc....
Another vague statement that does not deny anything, other than the fact that he didn't get caught.

The walls are crumbling Lance, take cover!

 

[SuperHuman]

I don't think you understand the mentality of the elite cyclist if you believe the likes of Contador and Andy Schleck are going to be influenced by what the American legal system does to Armstrong.

If you are glad at the prospect of Armstrong coming a cropper from this case then you should be honest enough to admit that your enthusiasm is not based on the idea of 'sending a message' to current riders. It's based on thinking Armstrong is a ****** and little more.

 

[MacRoadie]

Yeah. But your Avg.-Joe in USA doesn´t read the clinic

Nope, but about 13 million of them watch 60 minutes...

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/11/cbs-wins-sunday-in-viewers-and-key-demographics-for-the-fifth-consecutive-week/88917/

 

[Thomsena]

Hamilton really looks sick in this video. How thin he is.

 

[hrotha]

I think you need to make a distinction between the American scene and the rest of the world. Superstars like Valverde, Basso, and perhaps Contador this year, get banned for doping but come back and are still treated like big stars. Basso was cheered for winning the Giro last year. To learn that Armstrong doped along with the rest of the top tear of his era isn't going to be cathartic in Europe where most of the sport is based. It will have a negative effect but it won't be cathartic - it will just put a slight downer on the sport as a whole and it will move on as normal. Pro cycling has always been about what's happening now, not what happened in the past - it's a very forward looking sport.

I have a feeling this won't be like Puerto. We're talking about one of the very few cyclists who has transcended cycling itself - not even Contador is at that level. This is not just "Armstrong doped", this is "Armstrong doped, so did his teammates, the UCI protected them, their DS who's still directing a team today was on it, this shady Ferrari guy was their unofficial doctor, this shady Del Moral guy was their doctor too, when did it stop, there's Pepe Martí too, hey, who rode for Bruyneel? Wow this is serious".

That's why I said it could be cathartic.

 

[SnaptPhotography]

http://www.facts4lance.com

FLOYD LANDIS COLLABORATED WITH 60 MINUTES ON THIS STORY

Even though 60 Minutes producers knew that they could never get away with putting the widely discredited Floyd Landis on camera, it is clear that 60 Minutes worked with Landis on this story. Indeed, Landis began tweeting about the 60 Minutes story long before others knew that the story was even being reported. Here are examples from Landis’ “FakeFloydLandis” and “GreyManrod” Twitter accounts:

April 27

GreyManrod Chade O. Grey

Nap time. Back in 60 Min.

April 27

GreyManrod Chade O. Grey

@UCI_Overlord 60 Min took over for you on that project

GreyManrod Chade O. Grey

May 1

@UCI_Overlord @ssbike no. 60 Min is doing a show about my moonshine smuggling business.

FakeFloydLandis

May 15

I think they should all go into a hotel and play doping control roulette, then go watch 60 Minutes.


Spin control already in effect!

 

[veganrob]

Good for Tyler. Letter to his family tell it all. He has carried a terrible burden of guilt around for a long time. He has lost a lot in his life. I can condemn him for the cheating in the past, but won't for the conditions that caused him to come clean. I have been through very difficult time in the past and had to overcome accusations of just trying to save my own skin. But I turned my life around. Tyler does not look good. I wish the best for him in getting his life on the right path.


Lance can *** rot in he!!. I don't see any redemption in that POS.

 

[SuperHuman]

The big thing is this, the UCI seemingly willingly covered up a positive test in 2001.

It does seem to be a story he told people, yes. It would be hard to cover up a positive without some evidence coming out for this by now, so I think it was more likely to do with getting wind from a lab that his levels were suspicious or some such thing than a genuine positive.

 

[veganrob]

Hope I didn't sound bitter on poor Lancey.

 

[MacRoadie]

http://www.facts4lance.com

That's some high-quality work there...for a 17 year old in a high school ROP class...

 

[GotDropped]

I don't think you understand the mentality of the elite cyclist if you believe the likes of Contador and Andy Schleck are going to be influenced by what the American legal system does to Armstrong.

If you are glad at the prospect of Armstrong coming a cropper from this case then you should be honest enough to admit that your enthusiasm is not based on the idea of 'sending a message' to current riders. It's based on thinking Armstrong is a ****** and little more.

Contador has most likely been influenced by what has happened to himself personally. I find it hard to believe that Contador is breaking the rules now, but nothing would surprise me now. Everybody must be responsible for their actions, ¿Do you believe that Lance should get away with it and have his legacy saved, a legacy he cheated to build?

 

[theswordsman]

Just read through more pages of this & didn't see a mention - Frankie Andreau will be on 60 Minutes too. And the UCI could get a nice mention too, right when they're trying to sue Landis

Another former Armstrong teammate, also a witness in the federal investigation, is Frankie Andreu. He tells Pelley he took banned substances because lesser riders he believed were doping passed him by. "Training alone wasn't doing it and I think that's how...many of the other riders during that era felt, I mean, you kind of didn't have a choice," says Andreu.

The bedrock of Armstrong's denials over the years has been his claim to have never failed one of the hundreds of drug tests he has taken. Hamilton says Armstrong told him he did fail a test in 2001 given during the Tour de Swiss, an important event right before the Tour de France.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20064406-10391709.html

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Nope, but about 13 million of them watch 60 minutes...

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/11/cbs-wins-sunday-in-viewers-and-key-demographics-for-the-fifth-consecutive-week/88917/

That´s exactly what i meant.

 

[phanatic]

"The first has to do with the federal investigation into cycling. Last summer, I received a subpoena to testify before a grand jury. Until that moment I walked into the courtroom, I hadn't told a soul. My testimony went on for six hours. For me, it was like the Hoover Dam breaking. I opened up; I told the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And I felt a sense of relief I'd never felt before -- all the secrets, all the weight I'd been carrying around for years suddenly lifted. I saw that, for me personally, this was the way forward."

That quote really creeps me out. 1984.

 

[Roadent]

"EPO" and "Lance Armstrong" trending on Twitter now - the end is nigh!

Funny the timing of 'Retirement 2.0', no? Co-incidence that he didn't ride the ToC? Him and his team probably didn't just know about the Grand Jury, but also knew that Tyler had blown cover...

 

[Merckx index]

From facts4lance - they are really going after these witnesses:

Tyler Hamilton in the past has testified that he did not dope. Now, he has changed his story – perhaps because he wants to make money from writing a book. It’s no secret in the cycling world that Hamilton has for months now been talking about writing a book. And it’s unfortunate that Sixty Minutes was used by Hamilton to help him find a book publisher.

TYLER HAMILTON’S BACKROOM DEAL WITH THE GOVERNMENT

Despite his doping conviction, Hamilton retains his Olympic Gold Medal. We believe government investigators have promised Hamilton that he can keep his gold medal — even after he publicly admits to doping — as long as he implicates Lance Armstrong.

FRANKIE ANDREU IS NOT A CREDIBLE PERSON

Frankie Andreu has provided sworn testimony that directly contradicts what he now says on 60 Minutes. In summary, Andreu’s sworn testimony confirmed that:

* he had no knowledge that Armstrong ever took any performance enhancement substance;

* had no reason to believe Armstrong had ever done so;

* had never been told by any reliable source that Armstrong had done so;

* Armstrong never mentioned, much less suggested, adopting a doping regimen; and

* the only observation of drugs (among the hundreds of races in which Andreu had participated with Armstrong as both a teammate and roommate on the road – Andreu was a teammate from approximately 1993 to 2000) was a single occasion of Armstrong taking caffeine.

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

Obviously Lance is innocent! These people just want money and attention. Tyler is simply depressed and lonely. Nothing to see here. Hamilton could sell vitamen supplements or anti- deppresents.

And also both The Clinic and Fabiani totally missed the fact that the bloke beeing interviewed was not Hamilton but his evil chimera twin.

 

[pmcg76]

It does seem to be a story he told people, yes. It would be hard to cover up a positive without some evidence coming out for this by now, so I think it was more likely to do with getting wind from a lab that his levels were suspicious or some such thing than a genuine positive.

Seriously man, get over it. That story has now been backed by Tyler who was at US Postal in 2001. Landis might have heard it second hand a few years later but I am sure Hamilton heard about it when it happened. Your defending of Lance is ridiculous.