Tyler's Book

[D-Queued]

I almost don't want to watch cycling anymore after reading the book. Wow.
...
5/ Coaches are a myth, the real coach is the doctor
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What more can I say....it is a scam, the whole sport is a scam! ...

Ferrari would agree with you.

Now that the Carmichael thread has been re-invigorated please excuse me while I pull a Hog and pat myself on the back with respect to the true value of 'coaches':

But, really, what kind of 'help' do the pros really need?

Since settling out of court with Strock, hasn't Carmichael placed himself into an ineligibility bracket?

These (desired/required) services are no longer on the menu.

But, hey, we will look at your Polar data.

Dave.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

I almost don't want to watch cycling anymore after reading the book. Wow.
1/ The weight loss craze is a scam. Lose weight but increase power comes only through juice.
2/ A bad day could be a bad BB or a mistake while injecting, not that they woke up on the wrong side
3/ The ability to attack while others (and you) are physically suffering could be from from getting a BB shot the previous day not "great" natural endurance ability
4/ Rest days are juice up/recharge BB/juice days
5/ Coaches are a myth, the real coach is the doctor
6/ training is about hitting doctor's numbers
7/ the excuse stomach virus or toothache is a cover for something
8/ Going to "remote mountain" areas for training is a cover for something

Agreed. I put this into the Sky thread. After reading the book and with what I already knew all of that "marginal gains" crap is just that.... "crap".

 

[airstream]

I heard it was a bad blood bag, which to me makes more sense than the old "dehydration" excuse.

thanx for the info. oddly enough, there's nothing about that in tyler's or landis' words. maybe, that was so confidential that only several guys could know this...

 

[mikkemus23]

All this makes me wonder what kind of cyclist I could have been, on Ferrari`s full treatment..85kg/191 cm

 

[thehog]

All this makes me wonder what kind of cyclist I could have been, on Ferrari`s full treatment..85kg/191 cm

That's an excellent premise for a new reality TV show!

 

[mikkemus23]

That's an excellent premise for a new reality TV show!

Ha ha!
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

 

[Fatclimber]

Suggest you (we) all flag his comment.

Loved this one:

They say cycling is like a sausage. You love it, but you don't want to know how it's made

 

[Fatclimber]

I almost don't want to watch cycling anymore after reading the book. Wow.
1/ The weight loss craze is a scam. Lose weight but increase power comes only through juice.
2/ A bad day could be a bad BB or a mistake while injecting, not that they woke up on the wrong side
3/ The ability to attack while others (and you) are physically suffering could be from from getting a BB shot the previous day not "great" natural endurance ability
4/ Rest days are juice up/recharge BB/juice days
5/ Coaches are a myth, the real coach is the doctor
6/ training is about hitting doctor's numbers
7/ the excuse stomach virus or toothache is a cover for something
8/ Going to "remote mountain" areas for training is a cover for something

What more can I say....it is a scam, the whole sport is a scam! But then so is the 9.58s we see in the 100m, or the MPhlips "records". So do we turn off all sport??...

I agree with everything except #1. But then I guess it depends on all kinds of variables.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I like how it confirms an awful lot of what has been said here for years.
Lot of extra stuff too obviously.

Didn't realise Bassons' VO2 Max was that high, or hadn't read it anywhere before at least.

also wow the story about Lance and the guy in the car, Spring 2000[/QUOTE]

Is this really surprising? roid rage plus Lance's anger issues and his aggressive personality. Read what Tyler says about the cache cache interaction scene..." girlfriend Anna Hansen sitting there looking away with a sad look on her face"... as if she wishes this wasn't happening....

how many physical attacks, confrontations have never been reported or mentioned? I would think Armstrong has a fairly lengthy record of similar incidents! how could he not?? It's all part of the package isn't it??

 

[Cloxxki]

All this makes me wonder what kind of cyclist I could have been, on Ferrari`s full treatment..85kg/191 cm

I was 81-83/194. Not skinny by any means. Bit big boned, never a single digit body fat. Still, I had my share of decent peformances 506W VO2 amx on a silly short crank platform pedal test bike for my med apprvoal, in the off-season when I was really slacking off, more than usual.
So what could Ferrari have made out of me? 79kg and 500W at LT, little doubt about that. Does VO2 max also go up? Maybe 600W. I knew I had more in me than that test, with a few years of proper training.
There must be a lot of guy like me, with even better numbers, who just didn't cut it in the big league. Whenever I came wheel to wheel with pro's, I just didn't know what was happening. Once in a regional CX championship, I had come fro last to join the leader. The newly signed lotto pro took off so quickly, I didn't notice it until he was 10-15s up the course. Uncanny.
On the beach, 8 BFt dead stright into our faces, 34kph. The pro's were taking loooong turns in the lead. In my peak fitness pretty much, I lasted about very shortly. I beat a few Belgian obviously undertrained and undermotivated pro's that day, but the guys going for the win...unreal.
Not knowing about doping, or in my case, especially being unwilling to dope, must have really kept a lot off guys from the pro leagues. So, the racing could have been much better (denser fields) when there were no doping.

 

[killswitch]

I almost don't want to watch cycling anymore after reading the book. Wow.
1/ The weight loss craze is a scam. Lose weight but increase power comes only through juice.
2/ A bad day could be a bad BB or a mistake while injecting, not that they woke up on the wrong side
3/ The ability to attack while others (and you) are physically suffering could be from from getting a BB shot the previous day not "great" natural endurance ability
4/ Rest days are juice up/recharge BB/juice days
5/ Coaches are a myth, the real coach is the doctor
6/ training is about hitting doctor's numbers
7/ the excuse stomach virus or toothache is a cover for something
8/ Going to "remote mountain" areas for training is a cover for something

What more can I say....it is a scam, the whole sport is a scam! But then so is the 9.58s we see in the 100m, or the MPhlips "records". So do we turn off all sport??...I am the wiser, don't buy all those training books and videos!

And this juicing is so dangerous, I wondered how/why do these people do it??? its playing with your life! There is nothing "easy" about juicing, it is high risk. period. And I don't mean the risk of being caught, I mean physical risk to the body. How do you think causing the body to contain more oxygen than it normally should will not have an impact? the body is way smarter than ALL people, it will adjust to these anomalies in the most unpredictable ways.

Bit OTT but what did Cecchini do and was involved in? According to the posts in this thread he warned Tyler against doping. His wiki states that he provides training plans and the list of his clients is very impressive.

 

[thehog]

I like how it confirms an awful lot of what has been said here for years.
Lot of extra stuff too obviously.

Didn't realise Bassons' VO2 Max was that high, or hadn't read it anywhere before at least.

also wow the story about Lance and the guy in the car, Spring 2000[/QUOTE]

Is this really surprising? roid rage plus Lance's anger issues and his aggressive personality. Read what Tyler says about the cache cache interaction scene..." girlfriend Anna Hansen sitting there looking away with a sad look on her face"... as if she wishes this wasn't happening....

how many physical attacks, confrontations have never been reported or mentioned? I would think Armstrong has a fairly lengthy record of similar incidents! how could he not?? It's all part of the package isn't it??

The car in the car didn't just get a talking to. He was dragged from his car and beaten and beaten and beaten.

I wonder where he is now? I assume he was paid off not to talk.

 

[thehog]

Bit OTT but what did Cecchini do and was involved in? According to the posts in this thread he warned Tyler against doping. His wiki states that he provides training plans and the list of his clients is very impressive.

He didn't warn Tyler not to dope. He said keep your hemocrit up but he didn't dope his athletes. He knew they were getting that elsewhere.

 

[Dead Star]

The car in the car didn't just get a talking to. He was dragged from his car and beaten and beaten and beaten.

I wonder where he is now? I assume he was paid off not to talk.

He had that punch up with someone in the '96 tour as well? Can't remember the stage, but yeah. He does reflect the personality of one of those people who seem nice in public and have the ability to mask their inner demons and propensity for violence.

 

[BroDeal]

He had that punch up with someone in the '96 tour as well? Can't remember the stage, but yeah. He does reflect the personality of one of those people who seem nice in public and have the ability to mask their inner demons and propensity for violence.

If Armstrong would not have found aerobic sports then he would be dumping the bodies of prostitutes by the sides of deserted roads in the middle of the night.

 

[red_flanders]

It's hard for me to believe a midget like Armstrong would have the guts or strength to pound someone like that. Must have been a pretty small, meek individual.

 

[thehog]

I almost don't want to watch cycling anymore after reading the book. Wow.

1/ The weight loss craze is a scam. Lose weight but increase power comes only through juice.
2/ A bad day could be a bad BB or a mistake while injecting, not that they woke up on the wrong side
3/ The ability to attack while others (and you) are physically suffering could be from from getting a BB shot the previous day not "great" natural endurance ability
4/ Rest days are juice up/recharge BB/juice days
5/ Coaches are a myth, the real coach is the doctor
6/ training is about hitting doctor's numbers
7/ the excuse stomach virus or toothache is a cover for something
8/ Going to "remote mountain" areas for training is a cover for something

I forgot.

You have to add 9/

9/ Enduring praise of the UCI or making donations to fight doping - is only a method of protecting yourself against sanction and to receive warnings on glow time testing.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's hard for me to believe a midget like Armstrong would have the guts or strength to pound someone like that. Must have been a pretty small, meek individual.

Wonderboy was loaded with T and who knows what else to help him be hyper-aggressive. I don't know the guy personally, but it seems to me he's pretty capable of being physically threatening without PED's. That's all it takes.

 

[Dead Star]

If Armstrong would not have found aerobic sports then he would be dumping the bodies of prostitutes by the sides of deserted roads in the middle of the night.

Yep, or one of those people who have complete and utter control over a partner. the way he treated his teammates made me imagine he'd be one of those guys who'd give a girlfriend/wife hell if she had any friendships or connections he felt threatened by.

 

[Cloxxki]

If Armstrong would not have found aerobic sports then he would be dumping the bodies of prostitutes by the sides of deserted roads in the middle of the night.

You just gave the best use for his existence and fame I've heard the past years. I mean that, seriously. A freak like him is perhaps safest for the world in the spotlight, at all times. He got way too much privacy for sports' sake.

 

[the big ring]

5/ Coaches are a myth, the real coach is the doctor

Not if your new coach is a swim coach with no experience coaching cyclists. They are able to "think outside the box", "crunch the numbers", "lower your cadence in a bigger gear" and BAM, you go quicker in TTs.

No way a cycling coach with years of experience could do that.

Have you ever done something with your life? You sound like a bone idle focking wonker mate.

 

[the big ring]

Hang on. What does this imply?

https://twitter.com/Ty_Hamilton/status/231456183498719235

Congrats to @Bradwiggins. What a month! Great job man.

4 Aug 12

 

[Dead Star]

Hang on. What does this imply?

https://twitter.com/Ty_Hamilton/status/231456183498719235

It's moments like this that I wish Tyler came on here and posted JV style. Would it be enough to crash CN?

 

[70kmph]

Any bookshop signings or lectures scheduled ?

 

[thinkyoursopretty]

Long, long, long time lurker... first time post... cannot resist any longer... raced mountain bikes for years, but became hardcore road in last ten years ... understand the conflicts in the clinic... have some friends in "the business"... back in the dark ages, I had Lance's picture hanging on wall in front of my trainer -- just like riders I rode with every weekend... THANK YOU clinic for the illumination... I'm chiming in finally b/c after hundreds of hours of reading these forums ( and I am a writer/programmer, who knows the difference between spin and substance )... the following quote is the most TRUE thing I've read in a long time -- it's from the very beginning of Tyler's book -- I don't think, as a writer, that this can be fabricated...

"He [Pedro] was always so good at asking that question; he made you feel how much he cared. So I told him the truth. I was wiped out. I could barely make it to the shower. I didn't have anything left. Pedro didn't say anything at first. He just looked at me-- or, to be more accurate, looked into me with those soft, sad brown eyes. Then his hand started rooting around in the fly-fishing vest,and pulled out a brown glass bottle."

I don't even need to read the rest of the book to know what those those brown glass bottles did to the sport.