Tyler's Book

[Don Quixote]

Hum...[TEN CHARACTERS]

Sorry, my post was designed for a pleasant read and some aspects were a bit conveniently skimmed over

 

[Deagol]

I just finished the book, read it in about 2 days. Well done

 

[hrotha]

I just finished it. Read it in two seatings. As I read it I was like "I already knew most of this", but thinking about it now, I didn't know. Not with this amount of detail. And certainly, much of the post-Postal stuff is new to me. I think I rushed a bit too much - should have absorbed the details more slowly.

What struck me is how minor Hamilton's program was, relatively speaking: just blood bags and testosterone. IIRC Landis used blood bags, testosterone and HGH, for the most part. Compare to Manzano, who rode for Kelme and thus was more under the influence of team doctor Ufe (he offered his riders all sorts of stuff, after all). And yet, the "minor" program made all the differnece, to the point where good and bad days are almost mathematically linked to good and bad responses to blood bags.

Wow, Fuentes. I was amused by how Tyler described him as a genius even though the book confirms the image I had of him as a sloppy rock star doctor. Jaksche's account of his first meeting with Ufe was hilarious.

Landis and JV come across as genuinely good guys. Bruyneel is even worse than I thought - I was pretty sure he just went along with his buddy and boss LA, but the book shows he was perfectly capable of being a piece of **** on his own. The way Tyler describes CSC and Phonak compared to Postal (not talking about doping here) is very telling.

edit: the book could do with a name index for quick reference.

 

[python]

you forgot to include edgar, hrotha...

without edgar, tyler would not be able to stash as many bbs...

 

[hrotha]

Oops, of course, Edgar. I guess they didn't mention it often enough so I just forgot

 

[webvan]

It's a good point and I'll need to go back to the book (read it too fast too) though because they did have to beat the test after 2001, one of the reasons they went to BBs actually, even though Riis had discovered long before that that it was more efficient than EPO in terms of giving an immediate boost. The problem being that they were limited in the number of BBs until UFE came up (or copied) that deepfreeze method that likely led to the early demise of Hamilton.

I guess with microdosing + BBs they had a good way to make up for the test...

One mystery that remains is why Tyler thought the others were catching up to Dopestrong's methods in 2003, hence the tougher tour he had. He for one wasn't doing things differently than the previous year?

I'm surprised that Lelangue doesn't get mentioned in the book (unless I missed it), that guy's always looked fishy to me and probably not a lot better than Bruyneel at the end of the day.

 

[Berzin]

What struck me is how minor Hamilton's program was, relatively speaking: just blood bags and testosterone.

Blood bags, plus micro-dosing EPO makes a HUGE amount of difference.

There is also another difference that was surely the demise of Hamilton in terms of testing positive-having a competent doctor who will store the blood bags correctly.

What I got from the book is Dr. Fuentes was a quack among quacks. Not only did he administer blood bags wherein the blood itself was poorly stored, causing illness, but he also gave riders transfusions with blood that was from other riders.

As an aside, and this may come as a shock or may be totally unbelievable depending on your outlook, but I've heard through my little grapevine that blood doping is the next big thing in Master's racing.

There are guys out there accumulating the requisite knowledge and equipment to be able to administer blood transfusions right in the privacy of their own homes.

 

[hrotha]

Blood bags, plus micro-dosing EPO makes a HUGE amount of difference.

Yes, I said that much myself.

I was talking about how Hamilton qualifies the whole "arms race" concept.

 

[Cloxxki]

As an aside, and this may come as a shock or may be totally unbelievable depending on your outlook, but I've heard through my little grapevine that blood doping is the next big thing in Master's racing.

There are guys out there accumulating the requisite knowledge and equipment to be able to administer blood transfusions right in the privacy of their own homes.

I should not be surprised. But hey, masters are being caught with urine positives. Blood, I am not sure that ever happens in masters racing? And one can more easily tell oneself that it's not a doping substance, just their own blood.

 

[D-Queued]

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As an aside, and this may come as a shock or may be totally unbelievable depending on your outlook, but I've heard through my little grapevine that blood doping is the next big thing in Master's racing.

There are guys out there accumulating the requisite knowledge and equipment to be able to administer blood transfusions right in the privacy of their own homes.

I should not be surprised. But hey, masters are being caught with urine positives. Blood, I am not sure that ever happens in masters racing? And one can more easily tell oneself that it's not a doping substance, just their own blood.

That wouldn't be a surprise at all. Monkey see, monkey do.

There is even a for-profit industry all geared up to help you store and retrieve your blood, in an 'emergency'.

I am sure that some folks who ride bicycles are also interested in being on the safe side. It is a hazardous pursuit after all.

Autologous blood banking, or storing your own blood for future need, is the best way to guard against receiving tainted blood or experiencing adverse reactions to incompatible donated blood during a medical procedure.

Dave.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

I just finished it. Read it in two seatings. As I read it I was like "I already knew most of this", but thinking about it now, I didn't know. Not with this amount of detail. And certainly, much of the post-Postal stuff is new to me. I think I rushed a bit too much - should have absorbed the details more slowly.

What struck me is how minor Hamilton's program was, relatively speaking: just blood bags and testosterone. IIRC Landis used blood bags, testosterone and HGH, for the most part. Compare to Manzano, who rode for Kelme and thus was more under the influence of team doctor Ufe (he offered his riders all sorts of stuff, after all). And yet, the "minor" program made all the differnece, to the point where good and bad days are almost mathematically linked to good and bad responses to blood bags.

Wow, Fuentes. I was amused by how Tyler described him as a genius even though the book confirms the image I had of him as a sloppy rock star doctor. Jaksche's account of his first meeting with Ufe was hilarious.

Landis and JV come across as genuinely good guys. Bruyneel is even worse than I thought - I was pretty sure he just went along with his buddy and boss LA, but the book shows he was perfectly capable of being a piece of **** on his own. The way Tyler describes CSC and Phonak compared to Postal (not talking about doping here) is very telling.

edit: the book could do with a name index for quick reference.

Blood bags, plus micro-dosing EPO makes a HUGE amount of difference.

There is also another difference that was surely the demise of Hamilton in terms of testing positive-having a competent doctor who will store the blood bags correctly.

What I got from the book is Dr. Fuentes was a quack among quacks. Not only did he administer blood bags wherein the blood itself was poorly stored, causing illness, but he also gave riders transfusions with blood that was from other riders.

As an aside, and this may come as a shock or may be totally unbelievable depending on your outlook, but I've heard through my little grapevine that blood doping is the next big thing in Master's racing.

There are guys out there accumulating the requisite knowledge and equipment to be able to administer blood transfusions right in the privacy of their own homes.

According to El Pais, the documents seized by the Spanish civil guard during Operacion Puerto show that Hamilton received blood transfusions, EPO, anabolics, growth hormone and IGF-1.

The doctors' files allegedly consisted of two pages. In the first, a calendar of the racing season is laid out from November to October, with the races that the rider wanted to do well in being marked along with the medication that he should take. The markings were in the so-called "Sanskrit of Eufemiano", a notation system of substances, doses, and procedures. Before the 2003 season, Dr Fuentes indicated that Hamilton should start taking EPO from December 21, with 2000 units daily, up until Christmas Eve, and then on alternate days until January 9. On the 14th of January, before his first training camp with CSC, he was instructed to withdraw blood. On January 24, he was to start with anabolics. In March, after racing had started, he was to take HMG - a hormone used by menopausal women - to mask the anabolics, as well as taking growth hormone and insulin.

The second page of the file allegedly showed that he won Liège-Bastogne-Liège six days after a double transfusion of blood, won the Tour de Romandie shortly afterwards, and prepared for the Tour by not racing in May and taking anabolics and EPO. He then raced only the Dauphiné Libéré in June - completely anonymously, and didn't even start the final stage. At the time, he claimed to be suffering from stomach problems all week, but El Pais alleged that according to Dr Fuentes files, it was during another period of blood extraction. In the final lead up to the Tour, he was to take more growth hormone and re-infuse the blood, as well as doing so on the first rest day of the race.

Sounds like Ty used more than "only" EPO, transfusions and Testo and there's nothing micro about 24000 units of EPO in 20 days.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Is that another friendly service run by Amgen, as kind of a one-stop-shop?

 

[ebandit]

FREE Copy The Secret Race

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[Poursuivant]

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already read..............it's a good read.......the only shocking thing is that after reading the clinic i was not shocked by details in this book

so i am now offering the book completely FOC to the 1st forum member to send pm with uk / western european address to post to

preference is to send to someone who has not yet read the book

and it would be cool if after reading you passed to someone else to read

Nice gesture.

 

[Poursuivant]

Great interview with Tyler:

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/interview-tyler-hamilton-cyclist-1-2555924

Good that, thanks. Glad that Tyler has embraced his wrongdoings and is reaching out to Bassons and Simeoni, that is classy.

 

[Orinda8]

Kristin Armstrong

In my post a few days ago I wondered why none of the wives/girlfriends have come forward with public info on the doping. Today's news that Kristin may have been actively involved in supplying drugs to the team answers part of the mystery. Could Tyler have deliberately left out this involvement to protect his ex-wife and others?

 

[thehog]

In my post a few days ago I wondered why none of the wives/girlfriends have come forward with public info on the doping. Today's news that Kristin may have been actively involved in supplying drugs to the team answers part of the mystery. Could Tyler have deliberately left out this involvement to protect his ex-wife and others?

But he didn't. He detailed how his ex-wife assisted his program.

 

[ExRower]

Knowing back thn how bad Tyler was hit with depression. Its nice to see, as this book portrays, how he has somewhat made peace with himself and is now living a better life.

Cheers, mate.

 

[lesprinteur]

Just finished reading The Secret Race. The number of Blood Bags that these guys transfused is quite astonishing. Its not surprising that visible scars were left behind on their arms. The Edgar was certainly in high demand. A doping race within a bike race.

 

[airstream]

doesn't look like marks from crash. it is rather bruises from imperfectly infused blood, as Floyd said.

Heyday of 'Syberia'! Apparently, transfusions occurred every day in order to save energy before the Tour.

 

[richwagmn]

Just finished reading The Secret Race. The number of Blood Bags that these guys transfused is quite astonishing. Its not surprising that visible scars were left behind on their arms. The Edgar was certainly in high demand. A doping race within a bike race.

Finished it this weekend. I'm dumbfounded. I thought I had some idea of what was going on in pro-cycling. Turns out I had no f*cking clue.

I'm feeling disillusioned right now.

 

[TylerDurden1]

I just want to add credibility to Tyler's book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thyFmxusB9E
minute 6:02 - 6:04

 

[webvan]

"Not Normal", I would have expected him to say it differently when discussing the performance of other athletes...

 

[airstream]

"Not Normal", I would have expected him to say it differently when discussing the performance of other athletes...

lol, and this was said in a typical no-matter-what tone.

 

[Captain Kirk]

Finished it this weekend. I'm dumbfounded. I thought I had some idea of what was going on in pro-cycling. Turns out I had no f*cking clue.

I'm feeling disillusioned right now.

I hear you.

Read all the CN forums for years now, got all "those" books on the bookshelf.

Finished Tylers yesterday, it felt like a great read - all the pieces of the puzzle coming together in one narrative.

Now it is reality somehow...

Watching him say "NOT NORMAL" on the link above actually made my stomach turn.

Thanks for the book Tyler, total respect.