Tyler's Book

[Alpe d'Huez]

Indeed BroDeal. Take a look at Any Pettite in baseball. Confessed, said he regretted it, but it was just the way it was. The criticism of him stopped almost immediately, and he was fairly quickly embraced by nearly all fans.

The real question is will George or Kevin be co-authors?

I have to wonder when Kevin will see the light. I can see both of them yes. George is in a sticky position though with one business venture growing, and another (Pla A'Dat) stuck in limbo, but a serious potential on the horizon.

I still think there is an incredible movie to be made about all this...

I don't see it happening. It would be like a John Cassavettes film if it were. Difficult to watch and ugly. Who would pay to see that?

Who was that Hollywood exec that's buddies with Lance? Tom, Tim something or other...

So Frankie and Jonathon and others have NOT written books because they lack the "sense of morals" that are bestowed upon Floyd and Tyler?.

It's not about writing books. You completely took what I said out of context.

 

[hrotha]

According to Jaksche, Riis threatened him in 2007.
If Jaksche'd name names, Riis would make sure Jaksche would never return in cycling.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/0,1518,514234,00.html

I didn't know that. Interesting. But still, if Riis's threat was what kept Jaksche from saying much about CSC when he first spoke, why didn't he speak once he decided he wasn't coming back anyway?

 

[thehog]

2 weeks telling the story to a ghost writer & the book will be out by March. Yes time to cash in as Armstrong wont have time or the will to legally challenge anything.

 

[BroDeal]

I don't think it will be a great book.. It will just be another book to add to the list.. Exposure but nothing will get done, as its once again "his word against mine" .. no proof, no evidence.. blah, blah, blah.. a bit more cash in the Hamilton bank and that's about it..

It could be a great book if it was written well. There is a good story there about the journey from amateur status to the top and then the downfall. The most interesting part could be the betrayel and intrigue that went on after he was caught, basically being thrown under the bus by those who facilitated the doping culture.

 

[Race Radio]

It will be interesting to hear about the Mafia that he has referred to in cycling.

 

[sniper]

I didn't know that. Interesting. But still, if Riis's threat was what kept Jaksche from saying much about CSC when he first spoke, why didn't he speak once he decided he wasn't coming back anyway?

He did imply teamdoping in CSC. There is this interview from 2007:

Ausführlich legt er im SPIEGEL anhand seiner eigenen Karriere dar, wie systematisch und umfassend im Radsport mit Doping-Mitteln gearbeitet wird. In den Rennställen Polti, Team Telekom, Once, CSC und Liberty Seguros, für die Jaksche seit 1997 fuhr, sei das Doping teilweise aktiv von der Mannschaftsführung betrieben worden.

rought translation: Jaksche has told the Spiegel how doping was/is systematically and extensively used in cycling. In Polti, Team Telekom, Once, CSC and Liberty Seguros, the teams for which Jaksche rode since 1997, doping was sometimes actively supported by the team-managers.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/0,1518,491561,00.html

Afterwards, nobody has really gone after the full story, even though Jaksche offered his full cooperation as a whistleblower.
If the UCI would have had any interest in clearing up the history of doping between 1997 and 2005, they could, would and should have gone to Jaksche.

 

[pedaling squares]

All the elements are there for a popular book: a popular Olympic hero, a fall from grace, an insider's perspective on a (not so) hidden side to a celebrity-athlete, cover-ups and corruption, a descent into the abyss. Above all I hope it's cathartic and helps the guy out.

 

[Indurain]

I wouldn't be surprised if Armstrong tries one last time to cash in by writing his own book exposing all. Of course this won't happen til he knows he is cornered with no way out.

Even though I hated Armstrong more after reading his first book, I must admit I would probably like him more if he did this (even if it was based on a "if I'm going down, I'm not going down alone" attitude). It would certainly be an interesting read. He probably doesn't care how it would affect Livestrong. My guess is that it is mainly a tax haven for him anyways, much like Bill & Melinda Gates foundation.

Ullrich better hurry and get his book out too if he wants to cash in.

 

[hrotha]

He did imply teamdoping in CSC. There is this interview from 2007:

Ausführlich legt er im SPIEGEL anhand seiner eigenen Karriere dar, wie systematisch und umfassend im Radsport mit Doping-Mitteln gearbeitet wird. In den Rennställen Polti, Team Telekom, Once, CSC und Liberty Seguros, für die Jaksche seit 1997 fuhr, sei das Doping teilweise aktiv von der Mannschaftsführung betrieben worden.

rought translation: Jaksche has told the Spiegel how doping was/is systematically and extensively used in cycling. In Polti, Team Telekom, Once, CSC and Liberty Seguros, the teams for which Jaksche rode since 1997, doping was sometimes actively supported by the team-managers.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/0,1518,491561,00.html

Afterwards, nobody has really gone after the full story, even though Jaksche offered his full cooperation as a whistleblower.
If the UCI would have had any interest in clearing up the history of doping between 1997 and 2005, they could, would and should have gone to Jaksche.

Thanks for that. But when I read (what I think was) the whole story, nothing of what Jaksche said struck me as him accusing Riis of running a team-wide doping program. If I recall correctly, Riis did assure him that doping wasn't as risky as he thought, and he came across as a reluctant supporter/enabler. Still, you're right in that no one paid a lot of attention to what Jaksche said at the time, and also Tyler's times were before Jaksche's so CSC might have worked differently back then.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

2 weeks telling the story to a ghost writer & the book will be out by March. Yes time to cash in as Armstrong wont have time or the will to legally challenge anything.

Is this from some sort of source? Or are you just speculating? I ask because you say "will be", like you are certain.

 

[sniper]

Thanks for that. But when I read (what I think was) the whole story, nothing of what Jaksche said struck me as him accusing Riis of running a team-wide doping program. If I recall correctly, Riis did assure him that doping wasn't as risky as he thought, and he came across as a reluctant supporter/enabler. Still, you're right in that no one paid a lot of attention to what Jaksche said at the time, and also Tyler's times were before Jaksche's so CSC might have worked differently back then.

Ok, guess I didn't read what you read. I'd be interested.

In any case, iirc, Jaksche's confessions indeed mostly concerned Godefroot, rather than Riis. Either Riis' threats have payed off, or Jaksche indeed didn't have much on Riis.
My guess is when Jaksche joined CSC, he was already a self-supplying Fuentes customer.

 

[thehog]

Is this from some sort of source? Or are you just speculating? I ask because you say "will be", like you are certain.

No just my speculation..... Have heard nothing on a Tyler book..... News to me but would love one to come out...

 

[hrotha]

Ok, guess I didn't read what you read. I'd be interested.

In any case, iirc, Jaksche's confessions indeed mostly concerned Godefroot, rather than Riis. Either Riis' threats have payed off, or Jaksche indeed didn't have much on Riis.
My guess is when Jaksche joined CSC, he was already a self-supplying Fuentes customer.

Bear in mind I read it in German, and my German is... somewhat less than stellar

 

[BotanyBay]

Word is Tyler is writing a book. It will be a tell all about the sport. Riis, Lance, the Hog. Nobody will be spared. Anybody at the TdU want to ask Wonderboy about it at the Press Conference?

I am glad to see that Tyler is doing this. I think it will be very helpful for him personally to get this off his chest.

As soon as it comes out we need to start the Fabiani drinking game. Every time he says "Witch Hunt" Old News" or "Bitter" take a shot. Double shot for "Done a lot of good"

If Kimmage gets to do the first review, and he says "buy it", I will. Otherwise, it'll be from my local library.

 

[Digger]

No just my speculation..... Have heard nothing on a Tyler book..... News to me but would love one to come out...

You say this and a couple of posts above you are talking about March. It's like two different people. Do you just make sh** up and claim to have a 'source'? Or else you make sh** up and if you keep doing it, eventually part of it will be true. I am not looking for an argument but..........

 

[thehog]

You say this and a couple of posts above you are talking about March. It's like two different people. Do you just make sh** up and claim to have a 'source'? Or else you make sh** up and if you keep doing it, eventually part of it will be true. I am not looking for an argument but..........

Cool your jets.

I was just saying that IF he started now he could have a book on the stands by March. The ghost writer does the hard yards and Ty just sits there and tells stories.

I was being honest when I said I didn't know and was asked to clarify.

Would you prefer I made *** up?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Let's not drag this down into a personal muck.

Moving back to the story at hand. Does anyone know if Kimmage will be at TDU? I know he's the one journalist that would indeed pressure Lance about this issue.

 

[Granville57]

It will be interesting to hear about the Mafia that he has referred to in cycling.

Yup. Very interesting. He talked about exactly that and writing a book back in 2008:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2008/10/road/in-an-interview-with-neal-rogers-tyler-hamilton-talks-about-redemption-the-cycling-mafia-and-life-on-rock-racing_84106

I’m still scarred. I’m not the same person I was before, that’s for sure. It’s kind of sad to say it, but after everything I’ve been through, I don’t think I can be the same person. A lot of things happened to me that people don’t know about, and until I write a book someday, won’t know about. There are a lot of bad people out there who have done some bad things to me. Cycling … I think it’s everywhere, but there is a mafia in cycling. That’s pretty much all I’ll say about it, I’ll probably get banned from a race if I say any more, but there is a mafia out there.

Personally, I can't wait for the book. It's going to be great.

(Below is from the original VeloNews article)

 

[hrotha]

A mafia in cycling? That's preposterous. The Mafia looks after their own.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Anyone recall that Vinokourov also talked about writing a tell-all book and the mafia. That didn't last very long. Once he got back to racing, all was nice and quiet again.

Surprised Kashekin never talked. Guy had some actual talent, but essentially sat out four years after basically being scapegoat blacklisted for his doping. The Lampre contract may have shut him up as well I imagine.

 

[BotanyBay]

If Tyler is writing a book, then the publisher is fast-tracking it just in case Armstrong gets indicted. They'll want to release it right at the peak of media publicity for Lance. And I'd be surprised if it were not from a major publisher. If not, then Tyler's got a crappy book agent.

 

[ezwicky]

it's interesting how different people read postings. i interpreted hog's post as purely speculative the first time i saw it.

You say this and a couple of posts above you are talking about March. It's like two different people. Do you just make sh** up and claim to have a 'source'? Or else you make sh** up and if you keep doing it, eventually part of it will be true. I am not looking for an argument but..........

 

[peloton]

Anyone recall that Vinokourov also talked about writing a tell-all book and the mafia. That didn't last very long. Once he got back to racing, all was nice and quiet again.

Surprised Kashekin never talked. Guy had some actual talent, but essentially sat out four years after basically being scapegoat blacklisted for his doping. The Lampre contract may have shut him up as well I imagine.

yep, remember that as well, the Vino tell all book.

Wonder what soured his and Kash's relationship? Bad blood? (pun intended)

 

[Hugh Januss]

it's interesting how different people read postings. i interpreted hog's post as purely speculative the first time i saw it.

To be fair it wasn't written in such a way that it came across as speculative, but it is thehog so..............

 

[blackcat]

I'm only going to read the chapters on Tugboat.

I am only gonna read the chapters on Haven and Lance. Not Haven plus Lance. But Haven AND Lance. Haven Parchinski, Prance Gunderson. Good porn names too.