Tyler's Book

[Berzin]

Not to say it wouldn't be a fun and interesting read, but where do you differentiate between fact and fantasy with the "Born twin."

The first and probably last time I'll ever agree with Flicker.

Does Tyler think the truth will be revealed anyway, and so he'd rather profit a bit from it by revealing his part on his own terms? Or do you think it's something he'd have done eventually even without the whole Landis situation?

Probably. I always got the impression that he was willing to go down with the ship. His allegiance to omerta cost him his cycling career and his marriage, and I believe deep down his moral compass was so shattered that he would have been fine leaving well enough alone.

This is his chance to catch the wave, so he's going for it.

As several of us discussed, it was almost a question of who would speak first, Floyd or Tyler, as both seemed to have a sense of morals at their inner core, deep inside.

It is possible for riders' morals to be fragmented and compartmentalized depending on how deep they are involved in the doping game. Landis remains unapologetic about it, and both he and Hamilton lied way past the point of lunacy.

I believe neither have much going on deep inside in their inner cores. I believe they are both morally vacuous within the context of their involvement in doping.

This doesn't mean I won't enjoy reading his book, that is if he cuts the BS and comes clean about EVERYTHING, meaning how he cheated during the Olympics and why Haven used her maiden name on Dr. Fuentes' receipts for the doping products Tyler was purchasing from him.

If Tyler is writing a book, then the publisher is fast-tracking it just in case Armstrong gets indicted. They'll want to release it right at the peak of media publicity for Lance.

Fast-tracking? How long could a book like this possibly take?

 

[Kennf1]

Fast-tracking? How long could a book like this possibly take?

Between editing, fact-checking, and the legal department, quite a while.

 

[sniper]

The first and probably last time I'll ever agree with Flicker.


It is possible for riders' morals to be fragmented and compartmentalized depending on how deep they are involved in the doping game. Landis remains unapologetic about it, and both he and Hamilton lied way past the point of lunacy.

I believe neither have much going on deep inside in their inner cores. I believe they are both morally vacuous within the context of their involvement in doping.

perhaps he didn'T apologize for having doped (to whom should it be directed?), but he did apologize for lying. At least I clearly recall him doing so in one interview (perhaps the one he did on German television).
Not that it's a big issue, but as far as Landis is concerned, I fully agree with Alpe d'huez. Landis wouldn't (and couldn't) hurt a fly, and he's got melancholy in his eyes.

 

[Anonymous]

Cool your jets.

I was just saying that IF he started now he could have a book on the stands by March. The ghost writer does the hard yards and Ty just sits there and tells stories.

I was being honest when I said I didn't know and was asked to clarify.

Would you prefer I made *** up?

I don't think any of us would "prefer" you do it, we just know that you do it frequently. We are all still waiting for September 5fh 2009 to come along...

 

[Neworld]

Here's hoping

yep, remember that as well, the Vino tell all book.

Wonder what soured his and Kash's relationship? Bad blood? (pun intended)

Since most of us are wishing to read 'tell all' cycling PED books...I may wish for a collaboration of efforts by several riders. How about collaborative books by former teammates, nation, or retired antagonists: say a T. Hamilton, F. Landis and B. Julich, or Ullrich and Vino. If by national teams try Ullrich, Schumacher, Jascke. For a team USA book by T. Hamilton, Landis, Andreu and Livingston.

Why doesn't Tyler call Ullrich and write a comprehensive book about the battles between each other, with LA and within themselves? It may be legally safer to do it this way as well.

I am sure there is enough info that they could write several books even with chapters of directional narratives when they are all sharing stories during they're sit downs.

That would be a collection of books to anticipate reading...but that is clearly delusional on my part.

NW

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Landis remains unapologetic about it, and both he and Hamilton lied way past the point of lunacy.

Well, Floyd did say the hardest thing was telling his mother about it. He also said he hoped to return everyone's money who gave to his fund, though he didn't know how or when that would be.

This doesn't mean I won't enjoy reading his book, that is if he cuts the BS and comes clean about EVERYTHING.

I agree with that. If he's just going to give a bunch of vague nonsense, or skip key elements just to give a general confession and sell books, it won't fly, Especially with hard core cycling fans, and those are the ones who will read it the most.

 

[M Sport]

I guess it depends on how soon he gets the book out. How many confessed ex-teammates are we up to? Two on record w/ names (Floyd, Frankie) , one on record without name (other NYT's confessor) Add Tyler you have 3 on recor with name without even having to be supenaed!

Plus Stephen Swart from the SCA trial (used EPO together apparantly), plus one other that the name escapes me right now. Will come back and post it soon.

The book will be worth a read but may arrive a little late I feel, he better be a fast writer.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

I think there is something made of gold that could inhibit him from coming totally clean on everything...

 

[Ferminal]

An insider's view on CSC's team-doping program would be nice, and would be more consequential for cycling than Tyler's perspectives on LA (which will reach us via Floyd and Novitzky anyway).
If he reveals that Riis implanted team-doping, cycling can count its blessings. A clean cycling-cycle might be upon us.

Nice point... For me, I see too many people hailing CSC/Saxo/Riis as one of these "new strict anti-doping teams". It would be good to hear the inside word on them.

 

[Ferminal]

Anyone recall that Vinokourov also talked about writing a tell-all book and the mafia. That didn't last very long. Once he got back to racing, all was nice and quiet again.

Surprised Kashekin never talked. Guy had some actual talent, but essentially sat out four years after basically being scapegoat blacklisted for his doping. The Lampre contract may have shut him up as well I imagine.

The Goose likewise. Not only would he have taken the UCI to the cleaners but I could imagine he also had some nice stories to tell about Discovery/Astana 2009.

 

[steevo]

Tyler

Tyler lost any credibility with me when he was doping as a pro in America. The big guys do what they have to do but he was beating up on dudes who make 12k a year and are most likely clean. I think he is just out of money

 

[Ferminal]

Tyler lost any credibility with me when he was doping as a pro in America. The big guys do what they have to do but he was beating up on dudes who make 12k a year and are most likely clean. I think he is just out of money

Leipheimer does the same thing.

 

[washedup]

Tyler lost any credibility with me when he was doping as a pro in America. The big guys do what they have to do but he was beating up on dudes who make 12k a year and are most likely clean. I think he is just out of money

12 posts and already an expert on credibility?

Who else do you think might be able to give us insights into the world of winning bike races during the LA era?

 

[MarkvW]

Interesting. Does Tyler think the truth will be revealed anyway, and so he'd rather profit a bit from it by revealing his part on his own terms? Or do you think it's something he'd have done eventually even without the whole Landis situation?

That's what I'm thinking, also.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Leipheimer does the same thing.

As did Armstrong and every other US euro based pro who did any races in the US. I would question your assessment of US racing as most likely clean too. I'm sure the clean percentage is higher than the Pro Tour and the average program is pretty crappy by comparison, but I bet a lot of the guys are doing what they can, even if it is only what they can learn from the local masters.

 

[MarkvW]

12 posts and already an expert on credibility?

Who else do you think might be able to give us insights into the world of winning bike races during the LA era?

I just had to post here (to increase my credibility).

 

[dbrower]

Down, boys

Shoot. Landis may be a lots of things, but fly-sparing, melancholy romantic are not among them. He trains killer Corgis after all!

-dB

 

[sartain]

I still think there is an incredible movie to be made about all this, perhaps drawing on information in Tyler's new book as well as Floyd's story, that clearly conveys the incredible pressure to dope within cycling. I suppose the story could be told about any Olympic sport, or any sport for that matter, but for some reason the cycling story seems like it would be more compelling and dramatic.

One way to do it, of course, is about Armstrong. Can you imagine a movie showing both his public persona, as well as the private-world scenes... the self-righteous indignation conveyed at a press conference, followed by a doping session in the bus or hotel room minutes later?

Screw, what we need to happen is for 60 Minutes to to a full or half show on this BS. That will be the final in the coffin.

 

[steevo]

12 posts and already an expert on credibility?

Who else do you think might be able to give us insights into the world of winning bike races during the LA era?

Sorry was too busy riding and racing against said pros. Didn't realize that posting on a message board is what gave a bike racer credibility

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

It's not. Allow me to encourage you to keep posting. If you'd like to make more posts elaborating, that would be cool. Up to you.

I just had to post here (to increase my credibility).

Touché!

Nice point... For me, I see too many people hailing CSC/Saxo/Riis as one of these "new strict anti-doping teams". It would be good to hear the inside word on them.

I'll help. Their anti-doping problem was likely set-up to make sure riders don't pop positive at controls.

Screw, what we need to happen is for 60 Minutes to to a full or half show on this BS. That will be the final in the coffin.

That would indeed be a huge nail. It's not quite big enough for them...yet.

 

[Anonymous]

As did Armstrong and every other US euro based pro who did any races in the US. I would question your assessment of US racing as most likely clean too. I'm sure the clean percentage is higher than the Pro Tour and the average program is pretty crappy by comparison, but I bet a lot of the guys are doing what they can, even if it is only what they can learn from the local masters.

+1

I think Chad Gerlach (and eventually, Joe Papp) can confirm this.

 

[Granville57]

12 posts and already an expert on credibility?

Who else do you think might be able to give us insights into the world of winning bike races during the LA era?

flicker -- Posts: 2,991

JV1973 -- Posts: 16

Just sayin'...

 

[ElChingon]

Since when did post counts mean anything other than post counts? You guys are off your rockers, posting here doesn't mean people don't read or know about an issue, just means they don't post much.

Maybe you guys need a read counter , I'm sure some of you would have a negative read to post counter.

 

[washedup]

flicker -- Posts: 2,991

JV1973 -- Posts: 16

Just sayin'...

I back down .

 

[Merckx index]

Maybe you guys need a read counter , I'm sure some of you would have a negative read to post counter.

I'd like to see a list of L/H ratios. That's light--facts, information--vs. heat--opinions,speculation.