UCI appeals Contador decision

[Race Radio]

This is an important quote

“alternative ways” to collect evidence of transfusions

I have consistently heard that transfusions will be a focus of WADA's case.

 

[python]

I have consistently heard that transfusions will be a focus of WADA's case.

there was nothing official from wada as to what evidence they will/may use regarding the very serious possibility that contador may have indeed transfused.

if a transfusion possibility was presented to cas by wada, a reasonable speculation would involve only 2 currently available and known lines of thought:

(i) blood passport
(ii) plastisizer test

the last one just got somewhat diminished.

the first one has always been on the table but we've never seen the details except the contador's experts general claims.

 

[Merckx index]

unlike one local self-invested and deluded pseudoscientist

Fixed that for you.

You're losing it, Python. Don't go all mellow on us.

 

[python]

your utterings (fair enough but clearly in the absence of all the details in front of cas) like 'i won't accept cas decision unless they agree with my criteria' or 'i wont trust for a minutes that the plasticizer test wont be brought up'...these and many other of your statements don't point to a serious, thoughtful scientist.

if this faulty approach is characterized by varying terms, one should thank susan, not yourself.

the facts remain as they are and don't change the substance...

 

[catmiles]

I do not suspect Contador to take drugs, despite his cocky egotisticness.

In my opinion he wants to be the best so much to achieve this falsely would feel like a failure in itself to him.

However i do not believe that this came from contaminated meat in Spain, for which the drug is banned on being used on cattle in the EU and only 1 cattle in the thousands and thousands tested had this drug in the system.

Maybe it came from somewhere else.... I have heard it can be found in asthmatic medication?

It would be a shame if he did take the drug and if he did then he should be banned but i believe he would rather win of his own ability then through an enhancing drug.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I do not suspect Contador to take drugs, despite his cocky egotisticness.

In my opinion he wants to be the best so much to achieve this falsely would feel like a failure in itself to him.

However i do not believe that this came from contaminated meat in Spain, for which the drug is banned on being used on cattle in the EU and only 1 cattle in the thousands and thousands tested had this drug in the system.

Maybe it came from somewhere else.... I have heard it can be found in asthmatic medication?

It would be a shame if he did take the drug and if he did then he should be banned but i believe he would rather win of his own ability then through an enhancing drug.

most athletes would that if they could, but let`s be honest, do you really think it is possible to win witout peds?

 

[catmiles]

most athletes would that if they could, but let`s be honest, do you really think it is possible to win witout peds?

I see what you mean and i personally dont particularly warm to the guy but i did think he had higher standards then to stoops to drugs.

I cant believe that it has taken sooooo long to come to the hearing FINALLY

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I see what you mean and i personally dont particularly warm to the guy but i did think he had higher standards then to stoops to drugs.

I cant believe that it has taken sooooo long to come to the hearing FINALLY

nothing to do with standars, Contador, Schleck, Samu, Evans, Hushovd, Cancellara, Gesink, Nibali, Basso.... are they bad people? i dont think so, i just think they play after the rules the sport have. And the rules are simple, make your body work at the max of what is humanly possible and after that make it even better...

 

[henryg]

If a cyclist thinks one of his competitors is on PEDS then he figures he has to be on PEDS so as not to allow an advantage.

It has been found if given the choice cyclists don't wear helmets in races as they think it gives a slight competitive edge and if one guy goes helmetless then everyone goes helmetless. But when polled the same cyclists say they want helmet rules. So they want to be safer but won't give up a competitive advantage to do it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I do not suspect Contador to take drugs, despite his cocky egotisticness.

In my opinion he wants to be the best so much to achieve this falsely would feel like a failure in itself to him.

However i do not believe that this came from contaminated meat in Spain, for which the drug is banned on being used on cattle in the EU and only 1 cattle in the thousands and thousands tested had this drug in the system.

Maybe it came from somewhere else.... I have heard it can be found in asthmatic medication?

It would be a shame if he did take the drug and if he did then he should be banned but i believe he would rather win of his own ability then through an enhancing drug.

I agree with everything except the bolded part.

 

[Walkman]

I do not suspect Contador to take drugs, despite his cocky egotisticness.

In my opinion he wants to be the best so much to achieve this falsely would feel like a failure in itself to him.

However i do not believe that this came from contaminated meat in Spain, for which the drug is banned on being used on cattle in the EU and only 1 cattle in the thousands and thousands tested had this drug in the system.

Maybe it came from somewhere else.... I have heard it can be found in asthmatic medication?

It would be a shame if he did take the drug and if he did then he should be banned but i believe he would rather win of his own ability then through an enhancing drug.

Did you just...

I mea...

Wow, and I thought I could be somewhat of a fanboy from time to time.

I agree with everything except the bolded part.

Seriously?! You believe Lance was clean too?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Did you just...

I mea...

Wow, and I thought I could be somewhat of a fanboy from time to time.



Seriously?! You believe Lance was clean too?

What had Lance got to do with this?

 

[sniper]

What had Lance got to do with this?

quite simple. if you're naive enough to believe Aldirto is clean, you're naive enough to believe Lance was.

 

[LaFlorecita]

quite simple. if you're naive enough to believe Aldirto is clean, you're naive enough to believe Lance was.

Naive... And his name is Alberto, thank you very much.

 

[Walkman]

Naive... And his name is Alberto, thank you very much.

Well, sniper got it right. Do you believe Lance raced clean?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well, sniper got it right. Do you believe Lance raced clean?

No.
.......

 

[catmiles]

Well, sniper got it right. Do you believe Lance raced clean?

No.
.......

I dont think Lance was clean, i still think that Alberto did take the drug somehow but i do believe unitentionally purely as it was such a minor amount. Apparently like 1/400th under the limit or something i heard.

 

[spalco]

No that's wrong, there is no "limit". Any amount of Clen is considered doping.

 

[sniper]

I dont think Lance was clean, i still think that Alberto did take the drug somehow but i do believe unitentionally purely as it was such a minor amount. Apparently like 1/400th under the limit or something i heard.

Naive... And his name is Alberto, thank you very much.

guys, come to the real world soon, or get ready for some truly sobering experiences once you reach your twenties.

 

[joeyrobbo]

Couldn't see any mention of it here, and no idea of their effectiveness, but seems Contador will be undertaking a lie detector test as part of his defence..

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/10395/Lie-detector-test-in-Contador-case-WADA-pursuing-transfusion-theory-for-Clenbuterol-positive.aspx

Wishful thinking perhaps, but maybe he is innocent after all.. would be a bit of a risk to choose to take a lie detector test otherwise?

Anyone know how hard it is to beat the test? or are the results very subjective, especially when he's prob paying an expert a lot of money (Louis Rovner) to analyse the readings?

Edit: Hmm.. apparently about 61% reliable according to Wiki?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph#Validity

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/depo...r/mentiras/elpepidep/20111114elpepidep_13/Tes

While the lie detector story is entertaining the real story is how WADA will push transfusions as the reason for the Clen.

 

[hrotha]

Interesting bit from that article:

y una bioestadística británica, que intentará poner en duda el valor del pasaporte biológico

and a British biostatician who will try to cast doubt on the worth of the biological passport

What's the story here? Does this mean there's something to the initial reports/rumours about Contador's values being "chaotic"?

edit: ah, nevermind. Reading on, it says the UCI and WADA will have Ashenden to say Contador's values are compatible with a transfusion, not that they are dodgy per se.

 

[bicing]

Couldn't see any mention of it here, and no idea of their effectiveness, but seems Contador will be undertaking a lie detector test as part of his defence..

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/10395/Lie-detector-test-in-Contador-case-WADA-pursuing-transfusion-theory-for-Clenbuterol-positive.aspx

Wishful thinking perhaps, but maybe he is innocent after all.. would be a bit of a risk to choose to take a lie detector test otherwise?

Anyone know how hard it is to beat the test? or are the results very subjective, especially when he's prob paying an expert a lot of money (Louis Rovner) to analyse the readings?

Edit: Hmm.. apparently about 61% reliable according to Wiki?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph#Validity

A lie detector test? Only someone who's had training from George Constanza would be game enough to hide a lie in a lie detector test.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

From now on, all WADA-required lie detector tests will be administered by Jack Bauer.

 

[LaFlorecita]

guys, come to the real world soon, or get ready for some truly sobering experiences once you reach your twenties.

What makes you think I'm not in my twenties yet? Just because my opinion differs from yours?

I don't care what you say, I trust him and I'll do so forever.