UCI deadline(s), due October 1, What to expect ?

[Libertine Seguros]

To the sharks "¿Adiós¡"
- Adageo Energy
- Webcor Builders
- Safi-Pasta Zara

Source: usacycling.org

Safi-Pasta Zara are not, were not and have never been American. They were Italian-based and riding on a Lithuanian licence. They also haven't gone to the sharks; they have metamorphosed into Geox.

 

[DAOTEC]

! Registration Continental teams.

At least 9 "Continental" teams in the U.S. next year.

While the registration deadline looms (October 30, for the USA), an update on the teams that have already submitted applications, to integrate in this division for 2011.

- Kelly Benefit Strategies,
- Jelly Belly p/b Kenda,
- Kenda Pro Cycling,
- Bissell Pro Cycling,
- Trek-Livestrong U23 Team,
- Ride Clean,
- Exergy Team,
- RealCyclist.com Pro Cycling,
- Pistachios Pro Cycling (a brand of peanuts!

)

Ladies:
- Team TIBCO
- HTC High Road

To the sharks "¿Adiós¡"
- Adageo Energy
- Webcor Builders
- Safi-Pasta Zara

Source: usacycling.org

Safi-Pasta Zara are not, were not and have never been American. They were Italian-based and riding on a Lithuanian licence. They also haven't gone to the sharks; they have metamorphosed into Geox.

I know how you feel Libertine, but you have to face the truth, Safi - Pasta Zara Manhattan went to the gutter in a silent night, where the candle was blown out long before, with the horrific Romoli accident. [http://cyclingnews.com/news/romoli-horrific-accident]

Yes, it is an American team sorry to correct you there: [http://www.uciamericatour.com]

No, they have not metamorphosed into GEOX, it was a simple chapter 11 take over, sorry.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sorry to correct YOU, DAOTEC, but Safi is NOT an American team. You have in fact linked me to the UCI America Tour's page where it lists ALL of the teams. Unless you want to claim that Landbouwkrediet and Bbox-Bouygues Télécom are American teams too. If you go to Safi's page within that site, you will find that they are billed as being Lithuanian, and their contact address is in Italy.

You have them down as an American team waving goodbye, but they're not, not unless you consider Caisse d'Epargne as an American team waving goodbye - they are a team from one country who've been bought out by another sponsor from another country.

Sorry, but you're talking out your rear end there. Safi-Pasta Zara Manhattan hardly went to the gutter with the Romoli accident (and linking me to it as if I don't know about it is frankly insulting). They signed Olga Zabelinskaya after that, and came top 10 in the Giro Donne and won the Thüringen Rundfahrt with her. Eleonora Patuzzo has had a breakout year.

Safi are not, and never have been, American. They are eligible to race UCI America Tour events, since they're a UCI-registered team, and that's why they're on the UCI America Tour website. But they're not an American team, even now with a number of Americans jumping across to Europe to ride for them.

http://www.safipastazara.com/
So check your facts next time.

 

[DAOTEC]

Sorry to correct you again Libertine I know what you mean, it is the same as 2010 UCI Professional Continental Team CERAMICA FLAMINIA (FLM) - IRL or 2010 UCI Professional Continental Team DE ROSA - STAC PLASTIC (DER) - IRL being Irish teams then, I don't think so, and there are a lot more examples to give, look for yourself @ [http://www.ucieuropetour.com], Comprènde Amigo.

Nice story for you from a new future GEOX lady, thinks she has signed with a Italian team that in fact will be a Spanish based team, Comprènde Amigo: [http://amygillett.org.au/amy-winner-signs-with-geox]

I respect you a lot Libertine, I only gave you the UCI link for the team website, and to show that I know about the (LTU), but that doesn´t mean a ***, or was Michael Boogerd riding for Belgium in the world championships when he at the time held a Belgium UCI License for over 10 years. Here an article from Bicciciclismo today thinking that Safi is still American [http://biciciclismo.com/Safi-Pasta-Zara-USA] Comprènde Amigo.


Since I get no answer from you anymore Libertine in the last hours, I will add a view more odd UCI registrations myself to make my point:

HTC COLUMBIA WOMEN (GER/ Germany) - And the mens team is USA registered, Company is California based.

Cervélo (SUI/Switzerland) - Is a Canadian Cycling Manufacturer of origine.

BMC RACING TEAM (USA) - Is a innovative Swiss bicycle manufacturer BMC led by a Swiss mister.

CarmioOro-NGC (GBR/Great-Britain) - At 1rst as A-Style/Somn registered in Cyprus but is all [NGC Medical Italy]

Amore e Vita (UKR/Ukraine) - Oldest Italian team with some dozen diff registrations, for 2011 changing to Norwegian.

ISD-Team PCT (ITA/Italy) & ISD-CT (UKR/Ukraine) - ISD is a Ukranian Steel Company

An-Post Sean Kelly (BEL/Belgium) - Can you imagine 2 pure Irish names riding for Belgium.
.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sorry to correct you again Libertine I know what you mean, it is the same as 2010 UCI Professional Continental Team CERAMICA FLAMINIA (FLM) - IRL or 2010 UCI Professional Continental Team DE ROSA - STAC PLASTIC (DER) - IRL being Irish teams then, I don't think so, and there are a lot more examples to give, look for yourself @ [http://www.ucieuropetour.com], Comprènde Amigo.

Nice story for you from a new future GEOX lady, thinks she has signed with a Italian team that in fact will be a Spanish based team, Comprènde Amigo: [http://amygillett.org.au/amy-winner-signs-with-geox]

Sorry, but you are still WRONG. De Rosa are an Italian team in all but licence. Similarly, Safi are an Italian team in all but licence. Last year's licence was Lithuanian (and they had a few Lithuanians on the roster), next year's will be American (that's what that article was saying). It doesn't make Safi-Pasta Zara an American team, any more than the registration made De Rosa Irish.

Safi have brought in some American riders and are looking at riding more of an American calendar, but they are still based in Italy.

My problem was with your mistranslation, saying that they were saying goodbye as an American team. That is simply not the case. They are a) continuing, and b) not American. They WILL BE American-registered as of next year, but that runs completely counter to what you were saying. Right now, Safi are Italian-run, Lithuanian-licenced.

So saying Safi is "still" American is completely counter to, you know, the truth. GEOX may be American as of next year, but there has been no point in their history to date at which Safi-Pasta Zara has been American, even just a licence like De Rosa, Colnago-CSF, CarmioOro or Amore e Vita.

You got no response in the past hours because I was a) sleeping, and b) at work. It's great that you trawl through all the sites getting this gossip, but you need to stop relying on autotranslate or reporting hearsay as fact.

edit:
Either that, or actually, looks like you just had Safi in the wrong heading - Webcor and Adageo have gone to the Sharks, but you only listed the two women's teams. If Safi are becoming American, then they belong under that heading, not the other one, because they aren't going to the sharks, they're continuing.

 

[DAOTEC]

How low can you go, you mean like Limbo ...

I feel sorry for you honorable Libertine but you realy suck man sorry to say that. Now you at once come up with the fact that you might have misread my original ?post.
I thought you were smarter than that sorry but you are of me books from now on so to say, maybe you better start your own little nitty witty Safi thread for the coming years as they will be in business for many more to come as you stated, sail on sailor

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I feel sorry for you honorable Libertine but you realy suck man sorry to say that. Now you at once come up with the fact that you might have misread my original ?post.
I thought you were smarter than that sorry but you are of me books from now on so to say, maybe you better start your own little nitty witty Safi thread for the coming years as they will be in business for many more to come as you stated, sail on sailor

No man, it's not that I misread. It's not that you misposted. It's that the original article you quoted from was wrong.

The biciciclismo article is right - 7 uci teams, 3 women's teams (inc Safi), 2 teams disbanding.

The first article you took it from listed the teams incorrectly - 7 uci men's teams, 2 women's teams, 3 teams disbanding. Safi were in the wrong place. They were supposed to be in the women's teams section, because they're changing their registration. They were placed in the "American teams that are disbanding" section, which is nonsense cos they're neither American (yet) nor disbanding.

 

[Liquid Pro Cycling]

Adageo Energy has not gone under. We have picked up a new title sponsor, Wonderful Pistachios... and for future reference, pistachios are not a type of peanut.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Adageo Energy has not gone under. We have picked up a new title sponsor, Wonderful Pistachios... and for future reference, pistachios are not a type of peanut.

Don't worry about it. DAOTEC is brilliant at getting there first, but sometimes the gaps have to be filled in. As you can see from the bickering above. Apparently a team that are continuing have died, and their registration has always been American, instead of possibly American next year.

His postings in this thread have totally undermined his posts in the other thread on the subject (http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=366429&postcount=150). In the other thread he was absolutely accurate, so I think there's a mistake at the source he quoted above (as the mistake is corrected in the second article he quotes, the biciciclismo one).

That might also explain why Adageo are listed twice (once in their new guise in the former heading, and once in their old guise in the latter). It's not exactly DAOTEC's fault, he's just the messenger.

 

[DAOTEC]

Novermber 2nd 2010

Pro-Team and Pro-Conti just confirmed by the UCI

UCI Pro Team (First División):
Rabobank Cycling Team
Garmin - Cervélo
Omega Pharma - Lotto
Sky ProCycling

UCI Professional Continental Teams (Second division)
Androni Giocattoli
Bretagne - Schuller
Caja Rural
Colnago - CSF Inox
Europcar
Farnese Vini - Neri Sottoli
FDJ
Landbouwkrediet
Saur - Sojasun
Skil - Shimano
Team Type 1
Topsport Vlaanderen - Mercator
Unitedhealthcare Pro Cycling

Source UCI: [http://uci.ch/Modules/ENews/License-2010]

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

You forgot the most important part DAOTEC:

The dossiers of other teams - and in particular those of new teams - will be sent to the Licence Commission. On 20 November, the UCI will communicate the decision of the Licence Commission on awarding the remaining first division licences and the registration of the other teams in the second division.
The final decisions of the Licence Commission (for teams that have appealed or that have been required to make their dossiers comply) will be communicated on 10 December.

It can be noted that this year the evaluation of teams has placed particular emphasis on the sporting criterion. The sporting hierarchy is calculated on the basis of the team members for the coming year and therefore reflects the sporting value of the teams’ 2011 squads.

The teams’ sporting values are calculated using results obtained in 2009 and 2010 by the 15 best riders in their 2011 squads, taking into account all the events on all the circuits of the UCI International Calendar. In addition, the calculation of a team’s sporting value takes into consideration the collective value of the team based on placings in team classifications of stage races on the UCI World Calendar and HC events on UCI Continental Circuits during 2010.

The sporting criterion is crucial to obtaining UCI ProTeam status. In accordance with Article 2.15.011b of UCI Regulations, the 15 top teams in the hierarchy will receive (or will keep) a first division licence (on the condition, of course, that they also fulfil the ethical, financial and administrative criteria). Teams ranked 16th to 20th will be evaluated by the Licence Commission, which will decide which of them will have access to the first division (the maximum number of UCI ProTeams is fixed at 18). Teams ranked lower than 20th place are considered not to have fulfilled the sporting criterion.



Sporting hierarchy of teams for 2011

Position
Team
1
Luxembourg Pro Cycling Project
2
Rabobank Cycling Team
3
Garmin-Cervélo
4
HTC-Highroad
5
Omega Pharma-Lotto
6
Lampre-ISD
7
Katusha
8
Sky ProCycling
9
Liquigas-Cannondale
10
Saxo Bank SunGard
11
Team RadioShack
12
Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
13
Pro Team Astana
14
Movistar Team
15
BMC Racing Team
16
Euskaltel-Euskadi
17
Geox-TMC
18
Quick Step Cycling Team
19
Cofidis Le Crédit en ligne
20
AG2R
21
FDJ
22
Saur-Sojasun
23
Pegasus Sports
24
Skil-Shimano
25
Acqua e Sapone
26
Colnago-CSF Inox
27
Europcar
28
Androni Giocattoli
29
Topsport Vlaanderen-Mercator
30
Veranda's Willems-Accent
31
Team Type 1
32
CCC Polsat Polkowice
33
Bretagne-Schuller
34
Farnese Vini - Neri Sottoli
35
Landbouwkrediet
36
UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling
37
Team Netapp
38
Team SpiderTech powered by C10
39
Caja Rural
40
Colombia Es Pasion-Café de Colombia
41
De Rosa-Ceramica Flamina
42
Andalucia Caja Granada

-Love the part of Vacans above BMC (specially for ACF94)

 

[Anonymous]

The question is, is this the list on which the grand tour invites are decided or not...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

By the looks of this ranking, FDJ, Milram (stopped) and Quick Step or Geox demoted to PCT and Vacansoleil, BMC and Luxemburg Pro cycling will get PT status.

 

[Kvinto]

Don't know what this ranking means, i don't care. But BMC for the PT licence?

 

[theyoungest]

Don't know what this ranking means, i don't care. But BMC for the PT licence?

That's hardly surprising, is it? Make fun of them all you want, but they do have more than enough riders at Protour level.

 

[nobilis]

That will make the wildcards for the tour even more restricted to French teams.
On a different note, i would prefer to see a team like Saur Sojasun in the tour rather than Cofidis or FDJ. They have good sprinters with a good leadout train, good climbers (Coppel) and of course good breakaway specialists

 

[mr. tibbs]

By the looks of this ranking, FDJ, Milram (stopped) and Quick Step or Geox demoted to PCT and Vacansoleil, BMC and Luxemburg Pro cycling will get PT status.

Teams 1 through 15 are guaranteed a Pro Team license, and 16 through 20 are eligible for the remaining three licenses, right? I think Quick Step and Euskaltel will get the nod based solely on Boonen & Chava and Samu & Anton.

 

[theyoungest]

Teams 1 through 15 are guaranteed a Pro Team license, and 16 through 20 are eligible for the remaining three licenses, right? I think Quick Step and Euskaltel will get the nod based solely on Boonen & Chava and Samu & Anton.

I don't know if Menchov and Sastre will really be rated below Samu & Anton. But if you look at the entire team, Euskaltel are probably slightly stronger than Geox. QST aren't that great either, BTW, apart from Boonen and Chavanel.

 

[sublimit]

you've probably seen this but anyway, 4 teams are given the go ahead with more to follow.
Omega, Garmin-cervelo, Rabo, Sky so far
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/first-uci-proteams-and-professional-continental-teams-announced

 

[nobilis]

Teams 1 through 15 are guaranteed a Pro Team license, and 16 through 20 are eligible for the remaining three licenses, right? I think Quick Step and Euskaltel will get the nod based solely on Boonen & Chava and Samu & Anton.

I guess 16 through 20, Euskaltel, Geox and Quickstep should be ok. But this will leave us with no french team with a Proteam license and i don't think the UCI will let that happen. So maybe Ag2R instead of Geox and Geox will surely get invites to the big races.

 

[Kvinto]

That's hardly surprising, is it? Make fun of them all you want, but they do have more than enough riders at Protour level.

It's like quota of 9 riders for Luxembourg at pre-2010 WC.
PS: Make fun? I don't need this, but honestly it's the ranking of Evans, not BMC.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Did I miss something or have the UCI just moved the goal posts?
I see that that all important team classification has been added to muddy the waters still further.
How did the US squads qualify for a ranking, having not ridden any rankable races?
What happened to Savio's Tour, or is that still on?
My confusion is now complete.

 

[Sophistic]

Does it really matter that much?Most races allow 22 or more teams to start, so a good team is gonna get into almost every important race anyway.
Euskaltel might not even want the license, if it forces them to do the Giro.

 

[IlCobraFan]

The last ProTeam licenses will go to Geox, Quick Step and AG2R or Cofidis (you can't leave all French teams out).

Euskatel lacks depth, and ProTeam licence or not, they will do fine without.

 

[janraaskalt]

Ag2R still has a multi-year license, has a spot in the top 20 of the list of team rider values and therefore the team should be safe for a PT license in 2011. Same applies to Quick Step.