avanti said:I think it highly unethical for a UCI board member to discuss this publicly.
peloton said:+1
but it's the UCI we are talking about here, so...
+2
agreed on both counts
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avanti said:I think it highly unethical for a UCI board member to discuss this publicly.
peloton said:+1
but it's the UCI we are talking about here, so...
Wallace said:I dunno. If I was a UCI board member watching this ridiculously obvious and uncomplicated drug positive drag on for--what is it now, six months?--and threaten to continue to drag on for god knows how much longer, I might be tempted to nudge things along. If only out of frustration.
therealtimshady said:one thing thats been angering me for months is this
contador has a level of clen which isnt performance enhancing and the UCI and WADA have all but said he will be banned for 2 years (which is what will happen).
yet tom boonen tested positive twice for cocaine (another non performance enhancing substance) and got a free invite to the tour in 2009 and no hint of a ban.
now i have nothing against tom but where is the consistency?
therealtimshady said:contador has a level of clen which isnt performance enhancing and the UCI and WADA have all but said he will be banned for 2 years (which is what will happen).
therealtimshady said:one thing thats been angering me for months is this
contador has a level of clen which isnt performance enhancing and the UCI and WADA have all but said he will be banned for 2 years (which is what will happen).
yet tom boonen tested positive twice for cocaine (another non performance enhancing substance) and got a free invite to the tour in 2009 and no hint of a ban.
now i have nothing against tom but where is the consistency?
therealtimshady said:one thing thats been angering me for months is this
contador has a level of clen which isnt performance enhancing and the UCI and WADA have all but said he will be banned for 2 years (which is what will happen).
yet tom boonen tested positive twice for cocaine (another non performance enhancing substance) and got a free invite to the tour in 2009 and no hint of a ban.
now i have nothing against tom but where is the consistency?
hfer07 said:+1
the main problem here is what any other option AC has available to confront the biased position adopted by UCI/MacQuaid? the sport is sadly regulated by them & he must "adapt to what they see it fits(or perhaps what the best bidder offers) at this point is difficult to see him riding this year at all, given all the current opinions floating around-specially when the source of such information happens to be employed by the UCI....
Polish said:Alberto is a bit chubby lol.
Cheezburger nom nom bang bang
biopass said:Its all spin from Contadors socalled "scientific experts".
Clen is a weight losing drug. If you saw Andy dropped Contador on Avoriaz, you´ll understand why Contador took some weight losing drug prior to the showdown on Tourmalet.
richwagmn said:Wow, clenbuterol must be an amazing drug to cause you to lose kilos of weight one day after you take it.
JPM London said:The Spanish federation boss has said he expects their verdict soon and, after the usual "I hope we can avoid sanctioning our hero", then says that the case no matter what undoubtedly will go to CAS.
What I'm wondering is why they haven't done what's quite usual in the regular legal world - move the case to the higher jurisdiction from the beginning to save time?
It would have been a lot easier for both parties and the cycling world in general if they had just involved CAS straight away...
Seriously, no.warmfuzzies said:Contador's being dropped by Andy only to turn clen-poz and roar to victory can now be considered the proptotypical example of the "rope-a-dope" strategy - applied to cycling.
hrotha said:Seriously, no.
Contador was dropped by Andy in the final km after having foolishly responded to several attacks, and he lost a grand total of 10". In Mende, Andy was the one who lost 10". Their relative levels remained stable throughout the Tour. Furthermore, clen isn't a PED you take during a competition.
You don't have to distort reality just because Contador is most likely guilty.
Francois the Postman said:Guilty or innocent, I think it is a travesty that someone's case for last year's TdF is (potentially/likely) still not resolved when the next one comes around. That doesn't serve anyone. We are still dealing with sportsmen who have a very limited shelf life, teams that need to schedule their seasons, etc.
There should be a procedural path that guarantees that an innocent rider can go the whole length to clear his name, and doesn't lose more than a whole year. Far less even, I'd say.
No_Balls said:Nice point but very optimistic. They need that year to spin a certain name in the dirt (hello mr McQuaid) creating a smooth path for his successor (or save his own image).
Articles like the one from HUMO and "un-identified ASTANA-member watching Contador take the juice" is a part of that.
Mark my words. In "mid-January" we will have an press-release stating that the Contador-case will be solved in "Mid-february".
I'm not defending Contador, I think he used clen and blood transfusions. I'm merely questioning your reasoning. This is the first time I read about using clen for short-term recovery. Everything I've seen so far suggests taking clen during a competition is a bad idea.warmfuzzies said:Your critique might carry more credibility if it acknowledged the muscle-recovery benefits of clenbuterol. Clenbuterol is a performance enhancing drug. Clentador is guilty of doping - the poz A and B samples prove it.
Willy Voet wasn't microdosing, and clen is easily detectable in normal doses.webvan said:No it's not, Willy Voet told us 10+ years ago in his book, he was trying it on himself before passing it on to the boys and said he "felt like a bull" as soon as he started taking it. I'm surprised no one has pointed that out since the story broke out, focusing instead on the "weight loss no muscle loss" story.
@ No_Balls - nice call!
webvan said:Well put, and yes, the "such a low level can't have helped me win the tour" is the worst possible argument, nothing new really, think Fraud's testosterone bust.
I wonder if they tried to figure in the lab out how much clen would have to have been taken to get the level they detected. Not easy to do I'm sure, besides it's a moot point as far as the positive goes.
runninboy said:putting a bandaid on your friggin nose?