UCI in a panic over document in Friday's L'Equipe

[thehog]

This is actually also true.

I heard stories from Clement when he rode for Bouygues and Nuyens when he rode for Cofidis. You wouldn't believe how amateuristic and how many years behind the training schedules were

Yes because they didn't train in Tenerife (Ferrari) /Hawaii (no out of comp testing)/Columbia (high attitude – *cough*) /Switzerland (Ferrari) . They were stupid enough to train on the very terrain they raced on. Give me a break. I know these guys. They train hard, race more than every other athlete in the peloton. When our favs are hidden away in the US and Spain "preparing" the French are riding BS races around their own roads breaking their balls.

Today's report proves this fact. To "prepare" properly you can't race too much and you need to stay well out of view not to be tested too often. Showing up to race defeats that intent.

 

[thehog]

Interesting to what McQuaid will come up with.

McQuaid will concentrate on the "leak" not on the detail of the report.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Ratings from two to four were based on stable passports which nevertheless showed a rare abnormality at a precise time

Armstrong is a 4?

 

[hrotha]

Fédrigo has the same score as Armstrong. Man, cycling is more complicated every day.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Silence Lotto Doctor speaks about VdB

"Van den Broeck was bijvoorbeeld vijf weken op hoogtestage geweest, wat uiteraard een enorme invloed heeft op zijn bloedwaarde, die van nature al vrij hoog is."

"VdB was training at altitude 5 weeks prior to the Tour, which had an enormous influence on his blood values, which are naturally high"

yeah, sure.

 

[auscyclefan94]

"Van den Broeck was bijvoorbeeld vijf weken op hoogtestage geweest, wat uiteraard een enorme invloed heeft op zijn bloedwaarde, die van nature al vrij hoog is."

"VdB was training at altitude 5 weeks prior to the Tour, which had an enormous influence on his blood values, which are naturally high"

yeah, sure.

In all fairness to Jurgen, those types of results are possible which is why the blood passport can be flawed. Some people also have naturally high haemtocrits.

I'm surprised Geraint Thomas is so high.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Fédrigo has the same score as Armstrong. Man, cycling is more complicated every day.

why do you even follow cycling?? you seme convinced almost all are doped wether there is prove or not and seemingly you hate doping as well.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The only thing this list says is that Barrero has done a lousy job in dealing with the requirements of the bloodpassport. While others were microdosing their asses off, he apparently made some more blatent mistakes here and there. Not that he's cleaner or dirtier than others. He may or may not be.
Canc, we now know, is on the best program of them all. He rides the fastest, and still manages to keep a clean sheet.

yeah all are doped and none have talent. it's just whoever dopes the smartest is the best.

 

[9000ft]

I think that's one thing that you can guarantee.

Everyone who reguraly posts on the clinic is an expert so there's no danger there.

 

[auscyclefan94]

All this list proves is who are at the extreme of suspicion, who is a good doper and how stupid the uci are.

 

[sniper]

yeah all are doped and none have talent. it's just whoever dopes the smartest is the best.

All have talent, be it physical, mental or both. Some have more than others. But 90% is on the juice. If you haven't figured that out yet, then there's little I can do for you. So this list is relevant only as far as the topscorers are concerned. It doesn't say anything about the low scorers.

For the low scorers, there are three options:

A. On a better program with more effective masking methods;
B. McQuaid's favorites;
C. Truly clean.

 

[Frosty]

"Van den Broeck was bijvoorbeeld vijf weken op hoogtestage geweest, wat uiteraard een enorme invloed heeft op zijn bloedwaarde, die van nature al vrij hoog is."

"VdB was training at altitude 5 weeks prior to the Tour, which had an enormous influence on his blood values, which are naturally high"

yeah, sure.

Lots of others train at altitude, how come they are nowhere near as high?

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

All this list proves is who are at the extreme of suspicion, who is a good doper and how stupid the uci are.

they're not stupid - they're cleverly corrupt, and not good at stopping leaks.

Not testing the most likely people to fail a test for the stuff they're most likely taking is smart and necessary from a promotional point of view.

Don't look at the UCI as actually wanting to catch everyone, especially the big names.

 

[hrotha]

why do you even follow cycling?? you seme convinced almost all are doped wether there is prove or not and seemingly you hate doping as well.

Why I follow cycling? Because I love the sport, and I'm not going to allow a bunch of criminals and cheaters to ruin it for me.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Don´t know why you all think of Schleck. My guess it is because of his bro´s connection with Fuentes. My tipp is more going into the direction of Menchov, Wiggins and all those who have roller-coaster periods. Andy showed good results early in his career, which is always a sign of talent (even in the hi-tech Dope-Era).

BTW, i am not a fan of Andy. A real shock would be if something is wrong with Gerdemann.

But in the end: Nothing will be published. Period.

Then i wonder why Andy and the others attack soo late nowadays (precisely since every GT 2008+), thus being the reasons for small time gaps.... I think some guys are real afraid, OTOH of course it´s possible that Andy was a charger early. Who wasn´t?

What i meant, don´t look for the biggest guys but those who look suspicious. Many of them were caught anyway like DiLuca (nowhere to be seen outside of Giro), Mosquera (same about Vuelta), Kohl (same about TdF), etc....

Menchov, Wiggins, VdV, etc. are "favourites"* if anything is published...

P.S.: * How can i forget?... And of course, Armstrong

I am bitterly disappointed with Gerdemann, shocked about Tony Martin, hit the jackpot with Menchov, was right about Schleck. Armstrong, Wiggins and VdV were obvious (even tough they havn´t real high scores, but still above "Average"), i like Roche being clean and having had a great Tour...

 

[nevada]

All this list proves is who are at the extreme of suspicion, who is a good doper and how stupid the uci are.

How can they continue to govern this sport.

This report will have completely ostracised the UCI from

a) The riders
b) The management
c) The countries.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Also good news for Vandenbroeck btw

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Why I follow cycling? Because I love the sport, and I'm not going to allow a bunch of criminals and cheaters to ruin it for me.

well it seems they are already doing it for you. androni for a start this giro

also, where is the proove 90% is on juice?? certain guys are 100% clean like pinotti, moncoutie and gesink so pls explain how it comes they ride so well.

 

[thehog]

bradwiggins Bradley Wiggins
Re-test it was cold!!!
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There's no way @geraintthomas86 's love handle is scored bigger than mine?? Bonkers
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[auscyclefan94]

How can they continue to govern this sport.

This report will have completely ostracised the UCI from

a) The riders
b) The management
c) The countries.

I do agree. A breakaway system looks more likely. Sometimes keeping things under wrap is better for the sport.

they're not stupid - they're cleverly corrupt, and not good at stopping leaks.

Not testing the most likely people to fail a test for the stuff they're most likely taking is smart and necessary from a promotional point of view.

Don't look at the UCI as actually wanting to catch everyone, especially the big names.

Fair point. I meant more McQuaid is a tool of which he is but the UCI as a whole are very clever.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yes because they didn't train in Tenerife (Ferrari) /Hawaii (no out of comp testing)/Columbia (high attitude – *cough*) /Switzerland (Ferrari) . They were stupid enough to train on the very terrain they raced on. Give me a break. I know these guys. They train hard, race more than every other athlete in the peloton. When our favs are hidden away in the US and Spain "preparing" the French are riding BS races around their own roads breaking their balls.

Today's report proves this fact. To "prepare" properly you can't race too much and you need to stay well out of view not to be tested too often. Showing up to race defeats that intent.

I won't give you a break. Clement actually published the training schedule he got from bouygues in the papers. Can't find it now but it was ridicolous.
Something like ride your bike for 2 hours, swim, walk, etcetera
Same schedules they used in the 70-ties for crying out loud

 

[scribe]

No one is listening but the authorities in Europe are gunning for the UCI also. They facilitate the entire network. Not through selling or trafficking but enablement.

Enablement is difficult to prove.

 

[auscyclefan94]

well it seems they are already doing it for you. androni for a start this giro

also, where is the proove 90% is on juice?? certain guys are 100% clean like pinotti, moncoutie and gesink so pls explain how it comes they ride so well.

Who said?????

I guess Chris Horner and Fabian Cancellara must be clean then. Also people have said Linus was clean and he got a 6.

 

[goggalor]

Cav makes a good point: The only winners here are the zeros. Everyone else is suspicious. Even the ones... because why aren't they zeros?

I'm all for wild speculation and libelous accusations, but this list seems a bit unfair. Even though people don't seem to be taking it very seriously.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Who said?????

I guess Chris Horner and Fabian Cancellara must be clean then. Also people have said Linus was clean and he got a 6.

I never thought Gerdemann was clean. I explained many times when that discussion came up that he trained with Cecchini.

Only most people don't care about Gerdemann because he is only an average rider nowadays. After he broke with Cecchini his performances declined