UCI in a panic over document in Friday's L'Equipe

[thehog]

Exactly. Surely that is the story here, not whether or not your favourite/least favourite rider has a high/low score.

Correct. The rating systems is in place to assist the UCI and the testers to determine who to “target test”. The UCI has used the indices in reverse and avoided those who were most likely to test positive.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I suspect Cancellara doesn't load him self up during July.

Actually, I'm not surprised at Cancellara. Could be such a great talent that he doesn't need dope.

I'm suprised at Seeldraeyers really, but he did get sick a lot last year, so it might be that

Not suprised at Vandenbroeck. I heard stories from a Belgian member of PCM Benelux (who is a few years older than me), and he said JvdB was reputated "charger" at the juniors, especially with help from De Cauwer

 

[just some guy]

another thing to consider is the timing of the release.

Le tour not getting enough press - Giro and now Cali .

Got to remind the world that the French race clean and have the most important race.

 

[Astana1]

But if you combine this list with other known issues you can get a good idea:

Matthew Lloyd looks pretty obvious (unemployable)
Popo looks doomed (laptop, Ferrari)
Kloden looks obvious (Freiburg, RSH)
Hondo (previously suspended)
Rogers (Freiburg, Ferrari)

The most likely candidates for "meticulous" would obviously be LA and AC, based on failed tests, FDA investigations, links with Ferrari etc.

Popi is a 10 because he wasn't tested in a given time period. If he had been and he came up clean then he would have a lower number.


The big fail here is that this data is supposed to drive testing. But it appears that it didn't.

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm suprised at Seeldraeyers really, but he did get sick a lot last year, so it might be that

Not suprised at Vandenbroeck. I heard stories from a Belgian member of PCM Benelux (who is a few years older than me), and he said JvdB was reputated "charger" at the juniors, especially with help from De Cauwer

Would have loved to see Boonen and Gilbert's points though.

It would be strange if Seeldraeyers is loading up (heavily). Seeing as the schmuck trains in Belgium all the time where there are no mountains. I mean, if you dope up at least go live in a place where you can train effectively.

This could have been suicide for Contador if he got a 7,8,9 and 10. While 5 is not good, I don't think it will effect his case too much. More tested than everyone else anyway, so his results will be more precise than others.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Popi is a 10 because he wasn't tested in a given time period. If he had been and he came up clean then he would have a lower number.

I think there might be a little more to it than that. The WADA document talks of a "10" who wasn't tested from april 3rd. If that was Popo then he was a 10 before "he wasn't tested in a given time period"

I really wish Scarponi had ridden the TdF last year.

 

[cobblehead]

it's obvious why l'equipe likes this vague list, it allows them to continue their whining about how french teams and french riders are clean and that's the reason why they can never win a thing...

or does anyone think that l'equipe would publish this if the french and french team didn't score on the absolute low end...

 

[theyoungest]

It would be strange if Seeldraeyers is loading up (heavily). Seeing as the schmuck trains in Belgium all the time where there are no mountains. I mean, if you dope up at least go live in a place where you can train effectively.

Until last year, the same was true for Gesink. (well, he didn't train in Belgium, but the even flatter Netherlands)

 

[El Pistolero]

Until last year, the same was true for Gesink. (well, he didn't train in Belgium, but the even flatter Netherlands)

Not even in Limburg?

But anyway, I never suspected Gesink.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

Sky recruited three (I think) riders from the list this summer:

J. Hunt - 7
M. Rogers - 7
C. Knees - 6

Weird huh? For a team that professed to using the Biopassport to ensure that it only recruited 'clean' riders.

 

[hrotha]

another thing to consider is the timing of the release.

Le tour not getting enough press - Giro and now Cali .

Got to remind the world that the French race clean and have the most important race.

In my experience, the timing is never right. Somebody will always find a reason to complain. "What a coincidence, right in the middle of the Giro", "Oh, look, coincidentally on the eve of one of the major classics", "Pfff, they release this in the build-up to the Vuelta", "They couldn't wait until after the Worlds?" etc etc

 

[thehog]

it's obvious why l'equipe likes this vague list, it allows them to continue their whining about how french teams and french riders are clean and that's the reason why they can never win a thing...

or does anyone think that l'equipe would publish this if the french and french team didn't score on the absolute low end...

You’re right. The French have been smashing it up for the last 3-4 years. They’re all on it but just can’t win anything.

Sorry to say but the data is correct. The French don’t dope. Sorry to break it to you. But they’re not on the gear like our good friends from the UK and US.

 

[El Pistolero]

Sky recruited three (I think) riders from the list this summer:

J. Hunt - 7
M. Rogers - 7
C. Knees - 6

Weird huh? For a team that professed to using the Biopassport to ensure that it only recruited 'clean' riders.

It's like they got the list and picked the highest numbers for the best results

I'm sooo not surprised at Popovych and Menchov.

 

[theyoungest]

Sky recruited three (I think) riders from the list this summer:

J. Hunt - 7
M. Rogers - 7
C. Knees - 6

Weird huh? For a team that professed to using the Biopassport to ensure that it only recruited 'clean' riders.

Rabo signed the jackpot, C. Barredo - 10. And I assume they took a look at his bio passport as well.

 

[L'arriviste]

it's obvious why l'equipe likes this vague list, it allows them to continue their whining about how french teams and french riders are clean and that's the reason why they can never win a thing...

or does anyone think that l'equipe would publish this if the french and french team didn't score on the absolute low end...

I think they would and that the allusion to French jingoism is unfair if we look at the balance of dope-related press as I have in my research.

The French press has always been hard on doping and it hasn't pulled punches with its own over the years. See, for example, the vilification of Virenque or the warts-and-all coverage of the 2004 Cofidis saga. The extent of the public shaming exercise would put many a tempted rider/manager off.

 

[El Pistolero]

Rabo signed the jackpot, C. Barredo - 10. And I assume they took a look at his bio passport as well.

I wonder why anyone would buy him then?

 

[Lanark]

Sky recruited three (I think) riders from the list this summer:

J. Hunt - 7
M. Rogers - 7
C. Knees - 6

Weird huh? For a team that professed to using the Biopassport to ensure that it only recruited 'clean' riders.

Maybe they did use the Biopassport, but not in the way we suspected

 

[Eyeballs Out]

I wonder why anyone would buy him then?

Because they knew he wouldn't be tested

 

[blackcat]

they thought it was a binary record

 

[hrotha]

Maybe they thought "This guy survived Puerto, his passport is all over the place, and he's not even targeted for testing? This guy's indestructible".

 

[El Pistolero]

Maybe they thought "This guy survived Puerto, his passport is all over the place, and he's not even targeted for testing? This guy's indestructible".

Good one lol. Though I never had much suspicion for Barredo, but then again, it's not like I care or follow this guy. I see him in a break from time to time, but that's it really.

 

[ChrisE]

Still can't grasp why Canc is at 0. Lol.

Yeah, that just blows me away.

 

[python]

the uci indexing score would have some validating power IF the scores of the riders who were actually busted by the biopassport - pelli, valjavec etc (7 total i believe) - were on the list.

high number (7 and up) and the fact they were busted would shed light as to the effectiveness of the targeting tools via indexing.

unfortunately, we can't tell, looking at the list.

another validating element would be the listed riders busted for epo/blood doping AFTER the 2010 tour.

 

[blackcat]

yeah, but the asterisk showed his passport indicated he was pregnant too

 

[Winterfold]

I guess another way of looking at it is that riders who are not blood doping could have greater fluctuations in their passport values and therefore be more suspiscous.

On the other hand if the UCI were not a little suspiscous about British Cycling and their prodigy then they would not be doing their job properly - and I say that as a Brit

But, still, Geraint more suspiscous than the Schlecks ROTFLMAO