UCI in a panic over document in Friday's L'Equipe

[Antoine_Blondin]

 

[Antoine_Blondin]

 

[taiwan]

Any positives inthe 2010 Tour for blood doping? I can't remember.

 

[just some guy]

Lampre survived quite well.

expect for Ballen and M Santa....

 

[Frosty]

Lampre survived quite well.

expect for Ballen and M Santa....

How many transfusions did Gazzetta say police had evidence of Ballan taking? 10? If true, then that only resulting in a 5...

 

[El Pistolero]

How many transfusions did Gazzetta say police had evidence of Ballan taking? 10? If true, then that only resulting in a 5...

That was back in 2007/2008

 

[Frosty]

That was back in 2007/2008

Did they actually give a time scale though? The bio-passport started in 2008 i think and i thought the Lampre investigation was from 2008?

 

[Winterfold]

Sky recruited three (I think) riders from the list this summer:

J. Hunt - 7
M. Rogers - 7
C. Knees - 6

Weird huh? For a team that professed to using the Biopassport to ensure that it only recruited 'clean' riders.

On the other hand Barry is a 0 - so maybe they are reforming riders

 

[greatking88]

Maybe they thought "This guy survived Puerto, his passport is all over the place, and he's not even targeted for testing? This guy's indestructible".

Brilliant

 

[Chuffy]

Re: the averages by country. It's worth pointing out that these have the potential to be misleading if used as a straight ranking as the number of riders by country varies enormously.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I wonder why anyone would buy him then?

because this list is bull****. we don't know anything about this or even if this is correct. besides look at how little was needed for uci to charge guys like valjavec and pellizotti. barredo has never been charged neither has popovych and one look at results, especially popovych tells you he must be clean or using some crap doping.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Did they actually give a time scale though? The bio-passport started in 2008 i think and i thought the Lampre investigation was from 2008?

it's from 2008 till 2011.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Did they actually give a time scale though? The bio-passport started in 2008 i think and i thought the Lampre investigation was from 2008?

the lampre investiagtion was from 2006/2007.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yeah, that just blows me away.

why?? if there is one guy totally free from suspect it's him.

 

[Frosty]

because this list is bull****. we don't know anything about this or even if this is correct. besides look at how little was needed for uci to charge guys like valjavec and pellizotti. barredo has never been charged neither has popovych and one look at results, especially popovych tells you he must be clean or using some crap doping.

Not as good as he was though. Valuable domestique in 2009. People's performance can change for other reasons though.

 

[Frosty]

As far as Thomas' 6 goes and the possible impact of no spleen i remembered that Wegelius failed a 50% test once and that was blamed on no spleen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/3203450.stm

Dont know if that is true or not or to what extent the UCI could factor it in.

 

[ChrisE]

why?? if there is one guy totally free from suspect it's him.

Can somebody explain to me Ryo's schtick? There are no emoticons in his post so I'm not sure wth is going on. Thanks.

 

[veganrob]

I honestly think that if you really want a clean sport, then wikileaks style releases have to happen. I think the UCI is as dirty as the riders that dope and the only way its going to change is to have a huge dirty bomb of information dropped on the press.

The LA payoff and the obfuscation of Contador's positive were close...but if something out there showed that they actively shielded certain riders from tests that would hurt them, well...let it all come out and let the chips fall where they may!

Agree here. Normally publishing this sort of data would not not be right. But the UCI is so rife with corruption this is good. Need to expose all the crooks. I bet some of the riders are having an "Oh sh!t" moment right now.
Wonder what team has the highest average. Shack.
And how does Horner get a zero?

 

[hrotha]

Can somebody explain to me Ryo's schtick? There are no emoticons in his post so I'm not sure wth is going on. Thanks.

He acknowledges doping was widespread in a mythical past but he reckons it cleaned up itself overnight for no discernible reason (along a somewhat hazy timeline).

 

[ChrisE]

He acknowledges doping was widespread in a mythical past but he reckons it cleaned up itself overnight for no discernible reason (along a somewhat hazy timeline).

OK, thanks.

I'm still trying to figure out how Canc riding everybody off his wheel the last couple of years means he is clean.

 

[roundabout]

To put it somewhat in perspective a hack like Ballan who wouldn't have made it without the dope only has a 5.

 

[veganrob]

OK, thanks.

I'm still trying to figure out how Canc riding everybody off his wheel the last couple of years means he is clean.

Got that right. When a rider is doing something that is so not normal, chances are it is just not right. These guys are the best of the best and there is very little separating them. For Canc to just ride off and dare anyone to follow...OK

 

[El Pistolero]

To put it somewhat in perspective a hack like Ballan who wouldn't have made it without the dope only has a 5.

Well, what has he done in 2009 and 2010?

 

[roundabout]

Well, what has he done in 2009 and 2010?

Got the police on his case?

Or are you suggesting that he would have been a 10 in 2008?

 

[hrotha]

I don't know why you have a problem with known dopers having lower values than you'd expect. We're always talking about how having a good program is largely about being able to dope while still fooling the biological passport.