UCI in a panic over document in Friday's L'Equipe

[nomendil]

So its friday 13th paper should be out now.

News ?

Well, it's this article, but not availible on-line
http://www.lequipe.fr/Quotidien/article_13052011_article2.html

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Don't forget that 2 weeks ago McQuaid threatened the teams with the release of the BioPassport data if they did not stop hassling him

lol... bad karma for Paddy

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

'...'or if someone or something can tie the data to what the UCI ended up doing with the indicators during that Tour, for very specific riders. Or ended up not doing, to be more precise.

Agree with your overall points, but if specific riders came under unwarranted attention, that would be as interesting as specific escaping warranted attention.

Of course, if the list has actual rider names on it not just ID numbers, it completely takes the **** out of any pretense of proper anonymity in the biopass system as a whole.

 

[callac]

From John Wilcockson's twitter

L'Equipe has secret UCI list of doping suspicion (0-10) of 198 riders @ 2010 TdF: Cancellara, Horner 0; Armstrong 4; Contador 5; Menchov 9.

Also rated 4 (low suspicion) w/Armstrong are Evans, Leipheimer, Millar; on 5 w/Contador (more suspicious) are Ballan, Vinokourov, Wiggins,

 

[just some guy]

Agree with your overall points, but if specific riders came under unwarranted attention, that would be as interesting as specific escaping warranted attention.

Of course, if the list has actual rider names on it not just ID numbers, it completely takes the **** out of any pretense of proper anonymity in the biopass system as a whole.

While I agree, maybe if they (uci) want to really be open all tests should be made public with names.

If there is nothing to hide etc. Would also scare a few into not using peds . Will not happen but would really show they are serious.

And for the agruement that it would reduce the bio passport program maybe but would have a greater effect imo.

 

[callac]

Just seen on French TV (iTélé): the average is 2.3 (or something close)
(and the average for French riders: 1.23...)

 

[just some guy]

Just seen on French TV (iTélé): the average is 2.3 (or something close)
(and the average for French riders: 1.23...)

How many more 8 -9 with menchov ?

 

[Francois the Postman]

Agree with your overall points, but if specific riders came under unwarranted attention, that would be as interesting as specific escaping warranted attention.

Of course, if the list has actual rider names on it not just ID numbers, it completely takes the **** out of any pretense of proper anonymity in the biopass system as a whole.

Sure, but I can't see who that would be, as the one(s) that we do know did get attention were having plenty of other reasons why it was warranted, even if their bio passport turned out to be cleaner than Dazz Ultra.

The wording in the pre-subscription blurb makes me think it is a snapshot of "the group". It might well to be far less juicy than folk are expecting. No or few names? We will soon now, I am sure. =edit: ah, we do: names!=

The main sticking point is that there were high interest cases that were handled ineffectively, and inadequately.

As for your second point, that depends on the exact nature of the report. By whom, for whom. Somewhere at some point test results and data must be matched to names, not ID's. How else do you know who to target how?

 

[D-Queued]

How many more 8 -9 with menchov ?

Anyone else who was using that cheap Russian EPO.

Dave.

 

[Granville57]

Don't forget that 2 weeks ago McQuaid threatened the teams with the release of the BioPassport data if they did not stop hassling him

So should we assume that the UCI "leaked" this info, then stands back and feigns being "shocked" by the unauthorized release?
If that's the case, I would expect to see the most antagonistic parties (by McQuaid's standards) to end up looking the worst in all this.

OR...

Someone is calling Paddy's bluff and getting the info out from under him. Once it's out of his control, he can't play that card any longer or manipulate the way the info is released.

Hmmm.

 

[D-Queued]

So should we assume that the UCI "leaked" this info, then stands back and feigns being "shocked" by the unauthorized release?
If that's the case, I would expect to see the most antagonistic parties (by McQuaid's standards) to end up looking the worst in all this.

OR...

Someone is calling Paddy's bluff and getting the info out from under him. Once it's out of his control, he can't play that card any longer or manipulate the way the info is released.

Hmmm.

Just like the forms for Armstrong, it is the UCI staffers way of whistleblowing.

Can't wait to see who gets a temporary layoff.

Dave.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

'...'Or... Someone is calling Paddy's bluff and getting the info out from under him. Once it's out of his control, he can't play that card any longer or manipulate the way the info is released.

Hmmm.

Who has priors for that move and is currently putting pressure on Pat

Doubt that's the source though, incredibly bad move politically, for whoever made it. If this isn't a junior staff member's cash deal with a journalist, the culprit is foolish and incompetent....

 

[Forza L'Aquila]

Full list

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49195174@N00/5714862867/in/photostream

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Some interesting feats in there.
Gerdeman in 6? Sheesh
Popo in 10? Heh.

 

[nesocip]

Thanks Forza, i was refreshing like a maniac waitin for someone to post the whole list.

Some riders with "high grades" everyone expected (Popo, Menchov, Kloden, Rogers...) But also quite a number of surprises (Oss, Gerdemann ?!, G. Thomas).

Nice grade for VDB2 as well.

Im just curious about the methodology they used to make this list.

 

[thirteen]

and what exactly it all means...

 

[bicing]

Full list

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49195174@N00/5714862867/in/photostream

First impressions are that the tables make absolutely no sense to moi.

Michael Barry was implicated in the Landis confessionals, and he's Indice 0.
Ruben Plaza was part of Operation Puerto, and he's Indice 1.
Vino has already copped a ban and he is Indice 5.

Yet Jeremy Hunt is a 7............................................................

 

[Lanark]

• For a rider identified as having a priority index of ten, no blood samples were collected following the Laboratory recommendations after interpretation of blood passport data from the first week of the Tour, with only urine being collected and no blood as recommended by the Laboratory. Further, a recommendation to target test the rider for EPO took seven days to be executed.

• A rider identified as having a priority index of ten was not tested for either urine or blood from 3 April to the start of the Tour. Recommendations made by the Laboratory following testing in the first three days of the Tour resulted in no further blood samples being collected but rather only urine and approximately ten days later. The IO Team became aware of the remarks made by the laboratory regarding the analysis of this rider’s specific sample that raised the suspicion of the use of proteases. No further information regarding any actions taken by the UCI for further analysis of that sample was made available.

So these are either Popo or Barredo. I was hoping for some more spectacular names in the top.

Menchov a 9 is no surprise. To be honest, neither is VDBjr with an 8. The two Great Germans Martin and Klöden score very high, I didn't expect Martin to score quite that high. The biggest GC contenders all seem to hang somewhere in the middle, but they probably spent the most money on manipulating their numbers, making it hard to draw a solid conclusion.

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

The biggest GC contenders all seem to hang somewhere in the middle, but they probably spent the most money on manipulating their numbers, making it hard to draw a solid conclusion.

But Menchov's up quite high... Wouldn't he spend money as well?

 

[Forza L'Aquila]

The index was created by Pierre Edouard Sottas at the Lausanne laboratory. It is based on the UCI's biological passport. Depending on the length of time the rider has been in the professional peloton it would collate data from 2008 up to July 1st 2010.

It represents an index of suspicion based on the time period referred to above - highest numbers being most suspect.

Analysis also ranks countries and teams using the index - France and Cofidis cleanest, Ukraine and RadioShack dirtiest.

The L'Equipe article also has an interview with FDJ doctor Gerard Guillame in which he points to the resurgence of corticosteroids in the peloton.

 

[frenchfry]

No surprise:
Popovych 10
Menchov 9
Guterrez 8
Hondo 8
Muravyev 8
Kloden 7
Petacchi 6
Voeckler 0

Surprised:
Gerdemann 6
Moreau 6 (don't know why I am surprised but..)
Horner 0
Rast 0

Good news:
Hesjedal 1

My feeling (admittedly without really knowing what the indicators are or how to scientifically interpret these numbers) is that indice 5 or higher is very suspicious, indice 4 is already in the suspicious range.

 

[LukeSchmid]

Kloden was a 7 last year when doing hardly anything, he has been performing brilliantly this year. Wonder what that means?

 

[Lanark]

The index was created by Pierre Edouard Sottas at the Lausanne laboratory. It is based on the UCI's biological passport. Depending on the length of time the rider has been in the professional peloton it would collate data from 2008 up to July 1st 2010.

It represents an index of suspicion based on the time period referred to above - highest numbers being most suspect.

Analysis also ranks countries and teams using the index - France and Cofidis cleanest, Ukraine and RadioShack dirtiest.

The L'Equipe article also has an interview with FDJ doctor Gerard Guillame in which he points to the resurgence of corticosteroids in the peloton.

Do you have some more country and team averages? I read that France had an average of 1.23, I calculated that The Netherlands have 1.25 (with Kroon the only one above level 2 (a 5), but what can you expect from a BMC'er ).

 

[just some guy]

• For a rider identified as having a priority index of ten, no blood samples were collected following the Laboratory recommendations after interpretation of blood passport data from the first week of the Tour, with only urine being collected and no blood as recommended by the Laboratory. Further, a recommendation to target test the rider for EPO took seven days to be executed.

• A rider identified as having a priority index of ten was not tested for either urine or blood from 3 April to the start of the Tour. Recommendations made by the Laboratory following testing in the first three days of the Tour resulted in no further blood samples being collected but rather only urine and approximately ten days later. The IO Team became aware of the remarks made by the laboratory regarding the analysis of this rider’s specific sample that raised the suspicion of the use of proteases. No further information regarding any actions taken by the UCI for further analysis of that sample was made available.

So these are either Popo or Barredo. I was hoping for some more spectacular names in the top.

Menchov a 9 is no surprise. To be honest, neither is VDBjr with an 8. The two Great Germans Martin and Klöden score very high, I didn't expect Martin to score quite that high. The biggest GC contenders all seem to hang somewhere in the middle, but they probably spent the most money on manipulating their numbers, making it hard to draw a solid conclusion.

So they were not targeted ? why would they not recommend blood control ?

all seems very odd to me

D Oss being an 8 bit of a surprise

 

[Frosty]

Cancellara 0!!!- wow. Bet that surprises a few!