UCI: Italian Giro top favourite will be Bio-pass exposed in hours

[BroDeal]

Surely reasonable people can disagree on this?

Reasonable people can have differences of opinion. You are an unreasonable troll, so your opinion does not count for anything. You have sh!t in the nest too many times in the past.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Reasonable people can have differences of opinion. You are an unreasonable troll, so your opinion does not count for anything. You have sh!t in the nest too many times in the past.

You're the only person who is being unreasonable. I don't think you have had any intention of engaging fairly. Your first posts were troll pictures.

I don't know why you feel so threatened by someone bringing a different angle to the table who is not asserting or frankly trolling like you often do with your wild conspiracies.

 

[BroDeal]

You're the only person who is being unreasonable. I don't think you have had any intention of engaging fairly. Your first posts were troll pictures.

There is no reason to engage with trolls. Watching people respond to their stupidity is exactly what they want.

 

[Bala Verde]

knock it off guys, or I'll lock the thread.

 

[Race Radio]

knock it off guys, or I'll lock the thread.

A better idea would be to get rid of the guy who has already be banned 30 times yet returns again and again to disrupt the forum.

 

[Kender]

i dunno, BroDeal seems to be doing a pretty good job of trolling this thread too

 

[Fred Thistle]

There is no reason to engage with trolls. Watching people respond to their stupidity is exactly what they want.

No one does it better than you it seems!
maybe you are the volcano?


Getting back on track...
i seem to remember reading a CN blog post by the gentleman in questionNo one can judge Pelizotti except God!!


If I was a member then I'd find it hard not to post in big letters TOOL!!!

 

[Nick777]

i dunno, BroDeal seems to be doing a pretty good job of trolling this thread too

Bro Deal hasnt been banned 30 times for being a troll.

 

[Kender]

Bro Deal hasnt been banned 30 times for being a troll.

so? he's still trolling that guy to provoke a response. trolling is trolling no matter how many times you've been banned

 

[Bala Verde]

Ok to remind you guys, the topic is:

"UCI: Italian Giro top favourite will be Bio-pas exposed in hours"

Any contributions on that front?

 

[Bala Verde]

According to Gregg Henderson:

So who won the giro last year?
about 6 hours ago via Twitterrific

Off you trot Pellizotti. Keep em coming UCI. RT @stevendejongh Exit pellizotti.
about 10 hours ago via Twitterrific in reply to stevendejongh

 

[Anonymous]

According to Gregg Henderson:

a lot of people have reminded greg it was menchov and so far no reply.. although russ downing did reply to greg with a ??????? so if greg knows something we dont he hasnt told his teammates

 

[Bala Verde]

a lot of people have reminded greg it was menchov and so far no reply.. although russ downing did reply to greg with a ??????? so if greg knows something we dont he hasnt told his teammates

Perhaps he is naturally suspicious, like many others here

So when Ivano Fanini saw (for reference) that Pelli was followed by Ferrari on a scooter, would that imply that Ferrari has designed a tight, and highly individualized training regime which would boost certain values, after which he quickly harvests a couple of pints, at the optimum time, for later use?

Why would any rider otherwise ride incognito, with Dr F on a scooter behind them?

 

[Runitout]

No one does it better than you it seems!
maybe you are the volcano?


Getting back on track...
i seem to remember reading a CN blog post by the gentleman in questionNo one can judge Pelizotti except God!!


If I was a member then I'd find it hard not to post in big letters TOOL!!!

Funny, I remember Pippo Pozzatto getting the same tattoo.

 

[BroDeal]

Perhaps he is naturally suspicious, like many others here

He is probably counting the Humanplasma affair.

 

[Ferminal]

It seems that the clinic is "back" after suffering through the off-season and early season, and being at the crossroads - staring down the barrel of a clean Uncle Pat sport.

Also, Craig and acf, I guess you have your answers!

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=7100
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=6958

 

[Polish]

a lot of people have reminded greg it was menchov and so far no reply.. although russ downing did reply to greg with a ??????? so if greg knows something we dont he hasnt told his teammates

TeamSkyFans - are you going to tweet greg and reprimand him about singling out one doper? No doubt greg has ridden with other dopers before, both professionally and at the amateur level. Pot meet kettle, you know.
Ask greg if he plans on joining bikepure? (my luck he is already a member)

 

[Ferminal]

TeamSkyFans - are you going to tweet greg and reprimand him about singling out one doper? No doubt greg has ridden with other dopers before, both professionally and at the amateur level. Pot meet kettle, you know.
Ask greg if he plans on joining bikepure? (my luck he is already a member)

I know it's an achievement, but this has to be one of the more ridiculous things you've said. How can you draw a parallel between Vino winning a race, and Pellizotti getting sanctioned (plus the different responses from Hendo and TP).

 

[Escarabajo]

I understand your poiint, and in practical terms I don't see any other way to validate a passport-like system. I just wonder about what the real numbers would be like. I can envision fifty riders being singled out for funky blood number but only five testing positive.

I would be willing to bet that Pellizotti's numbers are extreme enough that his defense will sound like FLandis denying the benefits of testosterone, so the only result of the passport will be to eliminate such extremes.

I am sure that the Passport itself can be used after three years. I bet if the unveil the results to the public a lot of bad things would be known like a gradually decreasing hematocrit levels over time. Other things that need to be taken into account are as follows:

1- Even if 60-80% of the riders are doping it would be almost practically impossible to be doping all year round, so enough baseline can be built with the same dirty riders. Even if they are not tested that much during the offseason, you have enough riders enrolled in the program that you can combine the results of the offseason.

2- Gosh with three years of data there are so many combinations of cross plots that you can make with the profiles that the probabilities of catching a cheat can be narrowed down dramatically. Hec, at this point there could be a case that they can choose and pick who they want to nail. I am not saying that it would be obvious but think about the amount of data that they already have. Besides by now they might have criteria for identifying clean riders from three years back.

Honestly I think there is some bad blood between the Giro organizers and the UCI by now. Or they just want to sacrifice a medium to big fish every now and then to show the world that the system works.

So No. I don't think they need a specific study from clean athletes to create a baseline, because by now they must have it.

 

[Polish]

I know it's an achievement, but this has to be one of the more ridiculous things you've said. How can you draw a parallel between Vino winning a race, and Pellizotti getting sanctioned (plus the different responses from Hendo and TP).

Taylor tweets: "Vino is a doper and needs to go away."

Greg tweets: "Off you trot Pellizotti. Keep em coming UCI."

Those tweets are not going to intersect for a long while....

 

[Ripper]

a lot of people have reminded greg it was menchov and so far no reply.. although russ downing did reply to greg with a ??????? so if greg knows something we dont he hasnt told his teammates

Is this DimSpace?

 

[Cerberus]

It sounds like SEC ruling for proved reserves in the Oil Industry:

"Beyond a reasonable doubt" That means above 90% certain.

To be just above the balance is just about above 50%. That's not that much. Is that true Doc? Where did you get that from?

I don't think that's accurate. There exist no accepted numerical definition of what "beyond reasonable doubt" means. Largely because most court cases cannot be reduced to a numerical probability of guilt. The UCI however is definitely not "just above 50%". the standard as stated was "greater than a mere balance of probability". The "mere balance of probability would be just above 50%. So "more than a mere balance of probability" has to mean more than just above 50%, though again there is no clear definition of how much more. In practice it seems to me that UCI does in fact operate according to "beyond reasonable doubt" or in fact sometimes an even stricter standard.

 

[stephens]

Is there any other sport using anything like a "passport" system?

The whole thing makes me wish they'd just go back to requiring A) presence of a banned substance itself and/or B) the 50% hematocrit rule and just not give a damn who is a natural 41% boosting to 49% (via epo, their own blood, altitude training, artificial sleeping/living environments, whatever) and who just won the genetic lottery and is a natural 49% doing nothing. They can get on the bikes and maybe it'll be fun for us again.

 

[Barrus]

I wonder if we'll ever see the numbers for Pelli, to see how out of whack they are. For if they are not too high discrepancies, I believe an excuse is still possible to be made

 

[Hugh Januss]

I know it's an achievement, but this has to be one of the more ridiculous things you've said. How can you draw a parallel between Vino winning a race, and Pellizotti getting sanctioned (plus the different responses from Hendo and TP).

He can do whatever he wants, as his posts are rarely governed by either logic or reality.