UCI: Italian Giro top favourite will be Bio-pass exposed in hours

[Roninho]

1- Even if 60-80% of the riders are doping it would be almost practically impossible to be doping all year round, so enough baseline can be built with the same dirty riders. Even if they are not tested that much during the offseason, you have enough riders enrolled in the program that you can combine the results of the offseason.

Isn't there some kind of log from the OP scandal which a newspaper tied to Tyler Hamilton describing what he used? It showed that he basically used all kinds of dope all year round.

 

[BroDeal]

Isn't there some kind of log from the OP scandal which a newspaper tied to Tyler Hamilton describing what he used? It showed that he basically used all kinds of dope all year round.

His schedule called for 114 days of doping. It specified EPO use on thirty days between December and February. With microdoses it would probably require even more days of doping.

 

[hoolaparara]

Is Pellizotti a big enough name to appease the "no big fish" crowd? I just want to know where the line is.

You know I think I just worked out why its taken a frigging year for this pellizotti thing to come out! They had to work out whether he was low enough in the pecking order!

 

[craig1985]

“Good to see the biological passport at work!” said Team Sky’s Simon Gerrans. Teammate Greg Henderson was equally approving, saying, “Off you trot Pellizotti. Keep em coming UCI”.

 

[TomasC]

Liquigas has a press release on Pellizotti:
http://www.teamliquigasdoimo.com/2010/eng/popup_comunicati.php?id=94

 

[python]

Liquigas has a press release on Pellizotti:
http://www.teamliquigasdoimo.com/2010/eng/popup_comunicati.php?id=94

so the team management is basically supporting pellizotti and threatens the uci with legal action

uuuh it could get verryyy interesting

uci vs. a corporation in a real court.

 

[Barrus]

There are a few things of note in that press release, firstly:

Liquigas Sport is extremely disappointed about the action that has been taken, with particular reference to the untimely notification of the athlete’s alleged abnormal values. These values actually date back to the summer of 2009 but have only now been made public on the eve of such an important engagement.

This does seem to add prudence to the interpretation that many have that it has been planned to come out at this time, and specificially this time. This alone is a bad thing in my opinion, perhaps even on the same level as the case of doping itself, it looks like the UCI tries to discredit big races if only to ensure the cleaness of the Tour.

Second:

In order to fully understand the situation and the factors which led to this decision, Liquigas Sport has tasked its own physician, Doctor Roberto Corsetti, to analyse the medical and scientific aspects relating to this case. According to current analyses, the evidence which has been presented does not seem to scientifically prove with certainty any improper conduct by the athlete. Liquigas Sport has faith in the explanations that will be provided by Franco Pellizotti and by the experts whom he has hired.

This is an important passage, it states that Liquigas will stand by its rider and that there is no clear evidence in their opinion to warrant a ban. This means that it will be very difficult to prove improper use and to ensure that a ban will be the case, and if they cannot ensure this ban, the entire affaire will bite the UCI in the ***.
But its also important that the team has had an own investigation, but the burden of most of the costs will be on Pellizotti himself

 

[python]

04/05/2010 - Liquigas Sport’s response to the UCI’s position regarding Franco Pellizotti: determined to understand and ready to take action

Further to the statement made yesterday by the Union Cycliste Internationale concerning Franco Pellizotti, Liquigas Sport would like to announce that it acknowledges the decision made by the responsible authorities in compliance with their current regulations.

In order to fully understand the situation and the factors which led to this decision, Liquigas Sport has tasked its own physician, Doctor Roberto Corsetti, to analyse the medical and scientific aspects relating to this case. According to current analyses, the evidence which has been presented does not seem to scientifically prove with certainty any improper conduct by the athlete. Liquigas Sport has faith in the explanations that will be provided by Franco Pellizotti and by the experts whom he has hired.

Liquigas Sport is extremely disappointed about the action that has been taken, with particular reference to the untimely notification of the athlete’s alleged abnormal values. These values actually date back to the summer of 2009 but have only now been made public on the eve of such an important engagement.

Pending further developments and until the final ruling is announced, Liquigas Sport would like to state that it is ready to immediately take all legal action necessary in order to safeguard its image, as it has already done in recent months: both with regard to the cyclist should any improper conduct on his behalf be confirmed and also with regard to the authorities and institutions which may have unjustly caused this damage.

Liquigas Sport also hopes that the final decision will be made in reasonable time so that it may intervene as quickly as possible with suitable action against the authorities concerned.

 

[craig1985]

Rosendo's blood readings due to haemorrhoids? | Cyclingnews.com

 

[Libertine Seguros]

This is an important passage, it states that Liquigas will stand by its rider and that there is no clear evidence in their opinion to warrant a ban. This means that it will be very difficult to prove improper use and to ensure that a ban will be the case, and if they cannot ensure this ban, the entire affaire will bite the UCI in the ***.
But its also important that the team has had an own investigation, but the burden of most of the costs will be on Pellizotti himself

Can Pellizotti afford Valverde's legal team?

 

[Barrus]

Can Pellizotti afford Valverde's legal team?

Its currently only experts, so mainly medical experts, if these show evidence that he has not doped, perhaps Liquigas will help putting together his legal team. But I do believe Pelli has enough to get a really good legal team

BTW I'm regaining hope that perhaps he is clean (I know false hope probably, but yeah)

 

[python]

so we have 2 out of 3 named yesterday who are likely to fight the allegation.

any word from a slovenian yet ?

 

[Fourier]

so we have 2 out of 3 named yesterday who are likely to fight the allegation.

any word from a slovenian yet ?

Don't expect much support from his team.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ag2r-team-manager-furious-with-valjavec

 

[craig1985]

They did that with Mancebo as well. When he got pulled from the 2006 Tour he was practically fired by AG2r.

 

[joy118118]

so we have 2 out of 3 named yesterday who are likely to fight the allegation.

any word from a slovenian yet ?

His reaction(seem to be google translation?)

''I have no words. In any case, I believe only one. My sports career has ended. Everything I have tried is to wash your own name. In the last season I was sick most of the season and had a very low hematocrit result. While I was on the medical certificate of health problems, a doctor in our team did not do their work. Certificate is not forwarded to the International cycling union, which then began proceedings against me. I can not believe how it is possible that the system does not work and this can happen. Even when I was 19th April last year, came to control the House, was made a bunch of procedural errors. In the previous report, I clearly stated that I'll be home between 18 and 19 hour in the evening. Just that day I was present at night in the hospital for the birth of her daughter Clare so that I had turned off the phone. The rules are such that the controllers would have to come over this time period. Since I was not, he should automatically get a yellow card and the case was closed. Since I was in the hospital, I later returned the call and asked controllers that still passed inspection. The fact is that if any concealed, it would be better to get a yellow card. I am not so stupid, so it really can not believe how this is happening. The fact is that I'm the sacrificial lamb. But today I got a message to the UCI that the proposed opening of the proceedings against me,''the first statement Valjavec for Sportal, which has just returned from Ljubljana, where he bought the Giro proteins. Yesterday he set the fastest time in his career when climbing Krvavec.

 

[python]

could it be a cultural difference ?

a french team vs an italian team ?

then again, wasn't that liquigas that successfully sued a doper and recovered the damages..wait, but he was spanish (beltran) when the italian doper (basso) came along he got an unprecedented pt team spot right after a doping offense and a million euros contract to boot. way to go lickygas

 

[Barrus]

could it be a cultural difference ?

a french team vs an italian team ?

then again, wasn't that liquigas that successfully sued a doper and recovered the damages..wait, but he was spanish (beltran) when the italian doper (basso) came along he got an unprecedented pt team spot right after a doping offense and a million euros contract to boot. way to go lickygas

Perhaps it was that Basso was only attempted doping and it was not proven that he did dope. And perhaps this case is based on nothing, no-one of us has seen any of the evidence against Pellizotti, and the timing is very peculiar

 

[Straßenrennen]

although from reading the CN article it appears that liquigas are prepared to sue the pants off either pellizotti or the UCI, depending upon the outcome of whatever "procedures" happen next.
Should be fun no matter what happens.

 

[python]

Perhaps it was that Basso was only attempted doping and it was not proven that he did dope. And perhaps this case is based on nothing, no-one of us has seen any of the evidence against Pellizotti, and the timing is very peculiar

there are many things peculiar here including basso's dna irrefutably linked to his blood bag. pelli's 'evidence' would mean very little to the majority on this forum. it would be 'positive' if you dislike him or it would be 'negative/insufficient' if like him.

same as ever was....

although from reading the CN article it appears that liquigas are prepared to sue the pants off either pellizotti or the UCI, depending upon the outcome of whatever "procedures" happen next.
Should be fun no matter what happens.

don't kid yourself. it's a corporate speak for supporting pelli and threatening the uci.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

same as it ever was, same as it ever was. And then a twister comes, here comes the twister.

Time isn't holding us, time isn't after us, time isn't holding us, same as it ever was. Letting the days go by...

 

[Barrus]

there are many things peculiar here including basso's dna irrefutably linked to his blood bag. pelli's 'evidence' would mean very little to the majority on this forum. it would be 'positive' if you dislike him or it would be 'negative/insufficient' if like him.

I like Pellizotti, however I myself am realistic enough to see that there is a significant chance that he did/does dope. But as far as I can see at the moment it might become hard to see whether this "evidence" will hold up as being sufficient to ensure a ban, that's mainly why I want to see the argumentation and the foundation for the UCI stance

 

[python]

although from reading the CN article it appears that liquigas are prepared to sue the pants off either pellizotti or the UCI, depending upon the outcome of whatever "procedures" happen next.
Should be fun no matter what happens.

agree on fun part.

having seen the formalized biopassport methodology and some studies, i reckon that the uci would hold the upper hand in the forthcoming legal fight.

the difference between the pechsein case and those of yesterday, would be in the special step-by-step escalating decision making. before it gets an official announcement, it goes through an expertise evaluation in three fields including a specialist in hematology and blood pathology.

 

[Martinello]

haemorrhoids my a$$

Rosendo's blood readings due to haemorrhoids? | Cyclingnews.com

Must have been one nasty haemorrhoid - apparently poor Prado nearly bled to death from that rectal bleeding on the 8th of April 2009.

But pro bike riders are tough as nails - Prado managed to place 21st only 7 days later at Scheldeprijs Vlaanderen(http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=7062&year=2009&all=0&current=0) - imagine what he could have done if he hadn't been anaemic

 

[DAOTEC]

The uci 'big bang' underway ...

Liquigas refusses to suspend P ...

Liquigas believes in innocence Pellizotti

AP - Published: May 4, 2010 1:36 p.m.

LONDON - Liquigas has a doctor hired to investigate the abnormal blood levels of Franco Pellizotti. Monday was the 32-year-old Italian suspended until further notice due to fluctuations in its biological passport.
© ANPDe UCI, the teams and federations asked the suspect to suspend drivers. Liquigas announced in a statement that enables them to respond. "Provided that we examine the responsible authorities to respect, we emphasize that the statements Pellizotti and experts do not question."

Leader

"We are not impressed by the evidence. To make the situation clear mapping, we have our own researcher, Dr. Roberto Corsetti, was appointed."

Pellizotti was Liquigas' targeted leader for the Giro d'Italia, which starts Saturday in Amsterdam. According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, the blood levels of climber last year for the Tour de France were collected differ from other values in the passport. Pellizotti finished in 2009 and second in the Tour of Italy.

Misunderstanding

Liquigas does not understand that there are over ten months passed before the UCI took the case out. "Why is this news only on the eve of such an important world event, expertly made? We hope that the final assessment of the UCI in this case not so long overdue."

 

[Jonathan]

What are the chances that this doctor will see the obvious and say that the UCI's conclusions are valid?