Ullrich confessed

[Neworld]

I hope Ulrich faces the same consequences (in so far as they can be applied) and condemnation as LA has endured. Both peas in an ugly pod.

Sporting or personal/criminal consequences? Please specify.

The former? I may agree. A cheat is a cheat

The latter? I would think you're joking or misinformed.

 

[darwin553]

Sporting or personal/criminal consequences? Please specify.

The former? I may agree. A cheat is a cheat

The latter? I would think you're joking or misinformed.

Sporting consequences and as for 'condemnation' - just remember no-one forces anyone to dope. They know what they are doing isn't in the rules or spirit of the sport.

 

[Neworld]

Sporting consequences and as for 'condemnation' - just remember no-one forces anyone to dope. They know what they are doing isn't in the rules or spirit of the sport.

sporting consequence and condemnation-agreed.

personal condemnation - Lancey and Jan were Worlds apart. Sequestering and stealing money from fragile and dying cancer patients with hubris that only a psychopath could manifest is unforgivable. Making arrogant statements at press conferences to socially demolish Kimmage and Walsh... running Bassons and Simeoni out of the sport, destroying Andreu and his wife...Emma O'Reilly etc... is worthy of unparalleled condemnation.

 

[Zweistein]

I hope Ulrich faces the same consequences (in so far as they can be applied) and condemnation as LA has endured. Both peas in an ugly pod.

Are you at all aware of what Germany thinks of doping and Jan? You probably aren't but Jan was busted seven years ago and has already been through the ringer. Though to compare Jan to Lance is a little unfair. Jan is a doper. Lance is a criminal doping psychopath.

 

[darwin553]

sporting consequence and condemnation-agreed.

personal condemnation - Lancey and Jan were Worlds apart. Sequestering and stealing money from fragile and dying cancer patients with hubris that only a psychopath could manifest is unforgivable. Making arrogant statements at press conferences to socially demolish Kimmage and Walsh... running Bassons and Simeoni out of the sport, destroying Andreu and his wife...Emma O'Reilly etc... is worthy of unparalleled condemnation.

I understand where you are coming from and in hindsight having been a close follower of the LA debacle for the last couple of years I know what Armstrong did to intimidate and bully his own team-mates and others in the cycling world was deplorable.

But I come to this argument with what was a sheer admiration for Ulrich having been a keen supporter of his during his Armstrong dueling days and this news (although I have suspected it for the last few years) still hits me extremely hard and for that I hate him as much as I do LA for deceiving me.

 

[Mr.38%]

Hating somebody for being a cheat in professional sports is sick. Seek mental help.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

But I come to this argument with what was a sheer admiration for Ulrich having been a keen supporter of his during his Armstrong dueling days and this news (although I have suspected it for the last few years) still hits me extremely hard and for that I hate him as much as I do LA for deceiving me.

You blame Jan for losing your virginity?

 

[darwin553]

Hating somebody for being a cheat in professional sports is sick. Seek mental help.

Hate is a strong word but I think it is justified here.

Ulrich is probably the only sportsperson that I have supported and can think of that has let me down because of what they did in competition. Other sportspeople have let me down but for off-field indiscretions and I generally look the other way because it is for things not directly related to sporting achievements that they made themselves famous in.

 

[McLovin]

I was in a trip when this topic was started so I recapped today. Since the first pages of this thread I intended to ask something and then I saw Bavarienrider was first but from what I saw he didn’t get an answer. So if Ullrich worked with Fuentes and Fuentes had his blood and police took that blood, what was going on in Suisse that June? Ullrich won it on the limit but won it. And what he had in his store for that Tour? Maybe knowing that Birillo had his blood confiscated too, same most of the prerace favorites, he intended to race (again?) the Tour clean?
And as regards some of the comments I saw about his Giro TT being clean, I remember he took a trip to Madrid in the first rest day. I am sure I red this somewhere in 2006.

So Birillo, we have a deal?

 

[Race Radio]

So if Ullrich worked with Fuentes and Fuentes had his blood and police took that blood, what was going on in Suisse that June? Ullrich won it on the limit but won it. And what he had in his store for that Tour?

Give Ullrich's financial resources it is highly likely he had his own fridge, like Lance did. Fuentes top level program involved a lot of rotation to insure the cells did not die in storage. Because of this he likely had his own supply.

the bigger question is what did do for the Tour? It is conceivable that he had a supply that would last him through the Swiss but after that I doubt it

 

[hrotha]

If he had only a few frozen bags left after the Giro and no means to replace them, wouldn't he have saved them for the Tour instead of using them for Suisse?

 

[roundabout]

I am curious how many bags Koldo Gil, Jäksche and Vicioso had confiscated

 

[Gregga]

I am curious how many bags Koldo Gil, Jäksche and Vicioso had confiscated

According to El Pais 7 BB for Jäksche, 3 for Vicioso, Gil is not on their list...
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=1783.msg90528#msg90528

Ullrich blood source during TdS is quite a mystery, as he had 9 blood bags he couldn't use in Fuentes' house. Those bags were frozen, the method was different from LA or Landis who kept their bags just above 0°C.

 

[Bannockburn]

But I come to this argument with what was a sheer admiration for Ulrich having been a keen supporter of his during his Armstrong dueling days and this news (although I have suspected it for the last few years) still hits me extremely hard and for that I hate him as much as I do LA for deceiving me.

With all due respect, the lesson here is that it's never wise to place emotional investment in professional athletes of any sort whatsoever.

 

[darwin553]

With all due respect, the lesson here is that it's never wise to place emotional investment in professional athletes of any sort whatsoever.

It is now post Landis.

 

[Bannockburn]

It is now post Landis.

What is?

..

 

[darwin553]

What is?

..

Since Landis' title was stripped, I now tend to look at any cyclist's grand tour success with a touch more cynicism.