Ullrich confessed

[Netserk]

I don't like these comments:

""Almost everyone at the time was taking performance-enhancing substances."

" I didn’t take anything that was not taken by the others."

And more like that...

Just say "yea I doped, sorry it was bad''. Don't go all everyone doped, took the same ****, blabla. Just admit it and be done with it.

Well in his time (96-06) almost everyone *was* using peds (at least amongst the GC riders)

As for the second quote: That is very likely the truth.

 

[webvan]

He'd all but admitted already, the infamous "never cheated anyone", so what's the point of that new "confession" now, trying to help out old friend Lance? Needs money? Is bored to death? Was tricked? I don't get it...

 

[zastomito]

While I understand your sentiment it could be useful that such a big name like Ullrich is willing to go on a record saying that everybody did it.

 

[webbie146]

Well in his time (96-06) almost everyone *was* using peds (at least amongst the GC riders)

As for the second quote: That is very likely the truth.

Both the statements are true. My point is there is no need to even say those things, it's widely known. Just confess. Don't confess, but then point out others used dope too.

 

[Merckx index]

I’m really surprised at the protection remark. Jan up to now has presented himself as a cautious, cover my **** type of guy. The fact that he has waited this long just to make a lukewarm confession, when AFAIK he has nothing more to lose, speaks to that. Seems like an out of character bold statement to make about LA. But my guess is he is just referring to what Tygart said. I doubt he has any inside information about that.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I’m really surprised at the protection remark.

Really? It's obvious. The lengths of their public efforts were ridiculous.

-The UCI was protecting Armstrong while Hamilton was on "60 minutes."
-They were protecting Armstrong with some ridiculous efforts to get the USADA case out of arbitration,
-Hein's "never ever ever" interview.
-Ridiculous excuse for ignoring 2009/10 positives.

That's just a few examples.

Has the UCI ever *ever* been so interested in retired riders, much less ones currently riding? You bet they protected Armstrong. The reasons why are not known. My wild guess is Thom Wiesel would know....

I really don't understand why this, and as another example, the UCI's attempt to hide the Contador positive were not the main story. Instead, it's the "lone athlete dopes" that takes up all the public discussion.

 

[thehog]

Earlier this year, Armstrong said doping became so routine it was "like saying we have to have air in our tires or water in our bottles."

Asked about that comment, Ullrich told Focus: "I can't understand that. I always knew that I was doing something forbidden and wrong."

Peace.


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[jw1979]

i find jan to be quite classy, personally.

i don't read german like the rest of you obviously do, so maybe i'm missing the subtleties that make so many of you hate the guy.

 

[Race Radio]

i find jan to be quite classy, personally.

i don't read german like the rest of you obviously do, so maybe i'm missing the subtleties that make so many of you hate the guy.

I don't think many here hate him.

Jan is correct, Lance was protected by the media and the sport while he was attacked endlessly by the German media.

Jan talks nonsense when he says everyone was doing it. No, Not everyone was doing transfusions. Jan spent 100k per year with Fuentes, how does a NeoPro do that?

I have never heard a former teammate talk badly about Jan. They all like him.....But Jan did also hire a bunch of lawyers who went after critics, just like lance

 

[jw1979]

I don't think many here hate him.

Jan is correct, Lance was protected by the media and the sport while he was attacked endlessly by the German media.

Jan talks nonsense when he says everyone was doing it. No, Not everyone was doing transfusions. Jan spent 100k per year with Fuentes, how does a NeoPro do that?

I have never heard a former teammate talk badly about Jan. They all like him.....But Jan did also hire a bunch of lawyers who went after critics, just like lance

good points. i'd agree.

 

[webvan]

While I understand your sentiment it could be useful that such a big name like Ullrich is willing to go on a record saying that everybody did it.

But it doesn't really mean anything, how would he know anyway? Even with first hand information like Landis and Hamilton had it, there was still all this denial across the board. Besides as RR just posted above you needed a lot of money to dope, he had it, Dopestrong had it, most of the leaders of the big teams too of course, maybe that's he means by "everyone", i.e. "everyone that mattered".

I could understand him doing that in some kind of "truth and reconciliation" process where everyone comes clean, but alone, it makes little sense. The one who benefited the most from that era (through doping and bullying) has been punished, there's no need for second fiddles to come and "help" him and somehow excuse his faults. And bingo, Dopestrong just tweeted about that confession, in essence "thanking" Jan for his "support"...

 

[Arnout]

good points. i'd agree.

Nice troll

 

[Netserk]

I don't think many here hate him.

Jan is correct, Lance was protected by the media and the sport while he was attacked endlessly by the German media.

Jan talks nonsense when he says everyone was doing it. No, Not everyone was doing transfusions. Jan spent 100k per year with Fuentes, how does a NeoPro do that?

I have never heard a former teammate talk badly about Jan. They all like him.....But Jan did also hire a bunch of lawyers who went after critics, just like lance

Jan didn't say everyone used transfusions or spend 100k a year. He said almost everyone used peds.

 

[Granville57]

Yawn Ullrich. What are the chances he'll actually tell us something we don't already know? Slim-to-none, I'd say.

Can't wait for the roundtable with Millar, George, Levi and CVV.
Obvious half-truths are obvious.

And I don't need to hear anything from Jan about Lance. But what about Kloden? I mean seriously, stfu about LA unless your going to expose AK for the fraud that he is.

And I've always been a fan of Jan.

 

[rhubroma]

I don't think many here hate him.

Jan is correct, Lance was protected by the media and the sport while he was attacked endlessly by the German media.

Jan talks nonsense when he says everyone was doing it. No, Not everyone was doing transfusions. Jan spent 100k per year with Fuentes, how does a NeoPro do that?

I have never heard a former teammate talk badly about Jan. They all like him.....But Jan did also hire a bunch of lawyers who went after critics, just like lance

Call it physique du rôle: at the point at which one has both the ability and the money, the rest is a foregone conclusion. Not everyone has both, thus the market takes over. Though I think the real issue is how one exploits (or doesn't) that role and which confluence of character and economic interests result in the most deplorable cases.

 

[Granville57]

Come to think of it, if Jan could share some stories of a shared trip to the blood bank with Jens, well, by golly, that would just make my day. I'd love to see his countryman try to squirm his way out of that one. (It's not going to happen of course. Fun to speculate on though.)

 

[Race Radio]

Jan didn't say everyone used transfusions or spend 100k a year. He said almost everyone used peds.

He said

It would only have been cheating for me if I had gotten an advantage which was not the case. I just wanted to ensure I had an equal opportunity.”

How is it equal if it costs 100,000 a year?

 

[Netserk]

He said



How is it equal if it costs 100,000 a year?

I'm not a mind reader, but I'd guess that was referring to his nearest GC rivals.

 

[pmcg76]

Come to think of it, if Jan could share some stories of a shared trip to the blood bank with Jens, well, by golly, that would just make my day. I'd love to see his countryman try to squirm his way out of that one. (It's not going to happen of course. Fun to speculate on though.)

Why should a rider admitting to doping single out other riders who doped when they know that lots more people were doing the same thing. Why stop at Kloden or Voigt??? What about the likes of his great buddy Steinhauser or Klier or many other former team-mates of Ullrich. If riders are going to come forward with names, they should come forward with everything, not just picking out certain riders. All or nothing.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Why should a rider admitting to doping single out other riders who doped when they know that lots more people were doing the same thing. Why stop at Kloden or Voigt??? What about the likes of his great buddy Steinhauser or Klier or many other former team-mates of Ullrich. If riders are going to come forward with names, they should come forward with everything, not just picking out certain riders. All or nothing.

yes, Ullrich and the like should come forward with everything they know. Just like The Chicken.

It would accelerate the clean up process instead of stalling it, prolonging it even. Ullrich continues to think way too much about himself and not the sport.

Thats why hes just a coward.

 

[Granville57]

Why stop at Kloden or Voigt? All or nothing.

OK. Where did I suggest otherwise?

Of course Jens is the one currently shrieking from the mountain top, "I NEVER DOPED!!!!" So there's that...

 

[thehog]

Come to think of it, if Jan could share some stories of a shared trip to the blood bank with Jens, well, by golly, that would just make my day. I'd love to see his countryman try to squirm his way out of that one. (It's not going to happen of course. Fun to speculate on though.)

Jens tried to make peace with Jan. Jan's wife told him where to go.

Jan protected a lot of people who said some very unkind things about him.

The UCI was stupid to chase Jan down. Pointless considering the number of riders they let off.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Jan Ullrich confessed to blood doping and claims to only have blood doped, having taken nothing else.

I'll just violate the rules about blood transfusions, but that won't count as cheating! What a pile of crap. If blood transfusions did not give him an advanatage why do it? Jan is just like all the other ignorant and BS dopers trying to justify cheating. He and the others created the culture of doping that still permeates the sport today, and has made cycling the laughing stock of sports.

Any reasonable person continues to be cynical way beyond any suggestion the peloton is clean. The 2013 Giro proved that and the TDF will do the same. Both of these crass entertainment extravaganzas are frauds on the public and don't deserve an iota of support from the cycling community.

 

[ElChingon]

Just another counter in the past doping sheet, nothing more. He's kept his story the same but only now filled in the check box acknowledging what everyone knew.

Zzzzz...

 

[Avoriaz]

I sense a bit of ambulance chasing here. Not aware, obviously, of any pressure in Germany, but he has raised nothing new nor anything one didn't already suspect.

That he questions the protection of Armstrong has to be taken with a pinch of salt because of the time after the Armstrong accusations. Easy to say now but is he following a script?

Also that he says he was no worse nor better than Armstrong
resonates

Ich bin nicht besser als Armstrong, aber auch nicht schlechter