Uran Ultimo Hype Thread

[ingsve]

Ingsve thx for your answer

All those things make sense but in my opinion I would eg expect light climbers to be consistently bad on windy cobbled rainy races so I guess I took inconsistent to mean genuinely unpredictable for psychological reasons when you never know which athlete will turn up.

Wayne Rooney would be a good example - cyclists seem a bit more even keeled - Vino I guess is a rider who blows hot an cold

Well, psychologically I don't think there is any difference between various types of riders. That is more of an individual thing.

I take inconsistency to simply mean the lack of ability to get consistent results in similar situations for whatever reason. The psychological aspect is of course one thing that can lead to consistency. A perfect example is Davide Moncoutie who is a very moody rider who when he doesn't feel like it won't perform well.

I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest that Uran has the same type of reasons as Moncoutie for his proposed inconsistency.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Uran is still only 24 years old and consistency usually becomes better with age.

 

[Mambo95]

On one of the Real Peloton podcasts, Matt Rendell said he had been to Colombia to make a film about Rigoberto's background and history. Apparently, it's a fascinating story. Hopefully, we'll get to see it some time.

 

[Escarabajo]

Well, it's mostly an observational thing rather than something that is inherently true for all lighter riders. However there are certain things that could explain the observation, if the observation indeed is true and not just an example of confirmation bias. I suspect that if one were to look at the weight of all the top 10s in all GTs in the last 10 years then there will probably very few riders weighing less than 60kg. There are a few exceptions like there always is but my hypothesis is that lighter riders are less represented in top 10s in GC than they are in top 10s in MTFs.

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+1.

I have noticed the same things based on observations for many years. I always wondered about it when the Colombians first came out in the 80's. Parra was known to be one of the most consistent Colombians but his body was heavier than the average climber from Colombia.

I have Uran with 54 kg from his 2009 Tour de France debut. The number came from the Tour de France organization.

 

[Escarabajo]

I'm no expert at these power values, but - to put things into perspective - how do these numbers compare to other young super talents?

We would need to see their VO2 max at least to see their potential. Other tests will come along, but it would be a good starting point. Uran's numbers seems to be over 90 which I think is too high.

Do we have Schleck's numbers when he was younger?

 

[ancientdude]

I can guarantee that Rigo is not 54kg. 100%

 

[ingsve]

I can guarantee that Rigo is not 54kg. 100%

Well, 54.5kg is what his own actual SRM data says so if that's not true then you must have a really good source.

 

[Frosty]

Was looking good for a high place at the vuelta last year before the high speed crash that took out quite a few of the other GC guys. Who knows how well he would have done in the mountain stages without the crash.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/65th-vuelta-a-espana-his/stage-13/results

 

[Sophistic]

If he can really push 7 Watts/Kg at LT, he is the biggest underperformer in cycling history, we are talking bout Pantani@60% numbers here.
A weight of 64 Kg would put his numbers in line with his perfomances.

 

[Anonymous]

I can guarantee that Rigo is not 54kg. 100%

Can I ask how you can GUARANTEE it?

Every single day during paris nice he was the same weight
http://home.trainingpeaks.com/races/team-sky-races.aspx

if you read the comments from the time trial stage
http://home.trainingpeaks.com/races/team-sky-races/paris-nice-2011---stage-6---rigoberto-uran.aspx
they even re-iterate Rigos weight there, and say they had bumped his threshold power up.

be interested to see what information you have that contradicts the guys at sky

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Well, the figure that the Team Sky site uses is 54kg and you would guess that they have accurate figures about the weight of their riders wouldn't you?

no. they must've missed the 5 and 6 button because he's 64 kg, he's always been 64 kg since he was junior andone look at his body will tell you 173 x 54 is laughable he's no piepoli.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

On one of the Real Peloton podcasts, Matt Rendell said he had been to Colombia to make a film about Rigoberto's background and history. Apparently, it's a fascinating story. Hopefully, we'll get to see it some time.

yeah he grew up in a streetgang as his father was killed and I think his uncle was too. the guy when joining unibet, hanegraaf said would eat with his hands and knew no manners at all.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Well, 54.5kg is what his own actual SRM data says so if that's not true then you must have a really good source.

yes indeportes antioquai website have always listed him as 64 kg as a junior as well as many colombian websites when he was a trackrider. seriously can't believe you guys think he's 54. I can guarantee you also 100% he's not 54 kg but 64 kg, maybe 62 if he drops weight.

 

[Havetts]

I believe Ryo, seeing he knows it when every colombian, venezulian or south american picks their nose or burps .

 

[gustavoduncan]

i think he is 54 kg because he is not 1.73 cm. he si less than 1.65 cm

 

[Anonymous]

yes indeportes antioquai website have always listed him as 64 kg as a junior as well as many colombian websites when he was a trackrider. seriously can't believe you guys think he's 54. I can guarantee you also 100% he's not 54 kg but 64 kg, maybe 62 if he drops weight.

but they even re-iterate his weight in the write ups of the training data. Are we supposed to believe columbian websites (that are probably just copying the same old data from each other) over the tech guy thats analysed his training peaks data? This means that they are interpreting his power data incorrectly.

the sky site by the way has his weight at 63 just to confuse it further.

 

[ingsve]

yes indeportes antioquai website have always listed him as 64 kg as a junior as well as many colombian websites when he was a trackrider. seriously can't believe you guys think he's 54. I can guarantee you also 100% he's not 54 kg but 64 kg, maybe 62 if he drops weight.

Well, I'm just going by the sources that are available but I agree that he does look a little bigger than 54kg. I won't just take somebodys word for something and this post from you is the first alternative source that anyone has provided that gives a different number than the other available sources.

If he indeed is closer to 64kg then I for one am very curious why Skys own website and his own SRM data shows a diffrent value. Could it really be a typo?

 

[ingsve]

but they even re-iterate his weight in the write ups of the training data. Are we supposed to believe columbian websites (that are probably just copying the same old data from each other) over the tech guy thats analysed his training peaks data? This means that they are interpreting his power data incorrectly.

the sky site by the way has his weight at 63 just to confuse it further.

That's interesting. They must have seen this discussion and corrected themselves because up until yesterday the listed weight was 54 where it now says 63.

Good to know where the error was.

 

[Anonymous]

That's interesting. They must have seen this discussion and corrected themselves because up until yesterday the listed weight was 54 where it now says 63.

Good to know where the error was.

well im not sure, the guys who edit the website will be different to the guys who will interpret the training peaks data and know about his wattages etc.

God knows. but anyway, hes pretty good.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

but they even re-iterate his weight in the write ups of the training data. Are we supposed to believe columbian websites (that are probably just copying the same old data from each other) over the tech guy thats analysed his training peaks data? This means that they are interpreting his power data incorrectly.

the sky site by the way has his weight at 63 just to confuse it further.

63 kg is right and 54 is really wrong, it's usually 64 kg. uran is still an amazing talent though if you want incredible wattages check rujano's tour 2006 prologue performance keeping in mind he was 48 kg and 24 years old!!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That's interesting. They must have seen this discussion and corrected themselves because up until yesterday the listed weight was 54 where it now says 63.

Good to know where the error was.

good from sky the error annoyed me for quite some time and I think they also had it wrong in unibet site but right in caisse depargne site or vice versa

 

[ingsve]

good from sky the error annoyed me for quite some time and I think they also had it wrong in unibet site but right in caisse depargne site or vice versa

One thing it tells us is that data on a team site is not necessarily based on accurate data from team training camps or official medical records etc.

 

[theyoungest]

So with this new weight we can end the hype... he produced 398 Watts average, if he's 64 kg that's 398/64 = 6.2 W/kg.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

which is still an amazing number btw, especially when he's not in topshape and not exactly best as itt rider.

rujano's 2006 tour prologue he pushed almost 12 watt per kg weight over the entire distance! which no other rider btw came even close to I think sastre was highest with 10.3

 

[Sophistic]

And btw, Watts/Kg doesnt become the dominant factor until its getting very steep(~15%). At "regular" climbs like 7-9% a 70kg guy pushing 6 Watts/Kg would still beat a 55kg doing the same by a solid margin.
So for featherweight Rujano pushing superhigh Watts/Kg numbers doesnt mean much until he is hitting the Angliru or some other climb like that.

 

[Escarabajo]

yes indeportes antioquai website have always listed him as 64 kg as a junior as well as many colombian websites when he was a trackrider. seriously can't believe you guys think he's 54. I can guarantee you also 100% he's not 54 kg but 64 kg, maybe 62 if he drops weight.

Good job Ryo.

I can't believe that so many people can make these types of mistakes.

His VO2 max decreased to the low to mid 80's.