Uran Ultimo Hype Thread

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I'm no expert at these power values, but - to put things into perspective - how do these numbers compare to other young super talents?

Well...I know Basso, not exactly a talent anymore, but just to say, had 440W at threshold, 20w more than last year, he put the numbers on his wbesite I believe (sporza was talking about it).
Gesink always puts his numbers up, and he even got between 450-460W at threshold...

Both Basso and Gesink are much heavier than Uran though. The w/kg is lower. Although Gesink in a test 2 years ago, when he was still 22, had 505W which came down to 7.1 w/kg. So same number as Uran
Rujano at Quick Step even had 8.1 w/kg.... (sickening)

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

And btw, Watts/Kg doesnt become the dominant factor until its getting very steep(~15%). At "regular" climbs like 7-9% a 70kg guy pushing 6 Watts/Kg would still beat a 55kg doing the same by a solid margin.
So for featherweight Rujano pushing superhigh Watts/Kg numbers doesnt mean much until he is hitting the Angliru or some other climb like that.

of course it matters when you turn it into total watt. rujano did around 8 watt per kg weight over an hour in quickstep 2006 tests, which is like 400 watt total. that says a lot about your potential timetrial (which usually takes an hour, long ones) if you have good position and calculate in the weather/resistance on flat. and look at rujano's more than average itt performances despite his 48 kg which prooves that.

per kg weight alone says a lot about climbing, but not just angliry, anything above 8% is usable as there's usually nearly no headwind/resistance

 

[craig1985]

duarte doesn't exactly have focus and determination, nairo quintana has(he truely believes he will win the tour de france) but most colombians have typical latin way of thinking. duarte was seen as the laziest rider in colombia and also the most talented except maybe henao.

his crash in tour of germany was areal problem because he also lost his incredible downhil skills he used to have, he won the euskal bizkleta itt at age 20 a few months before where in the massive rain in downhil he overtook 3 guys!! and won the itt before names as nozal and santos gonzalez, he was like I sayd 20 years old! uran has stagnated like everyone who had to work for valverde and also they don't train your itt like they do at sky. one thing though he should become the leader in stageraces and not a helper and he may also need some mental coaching as he's not exactly very smart/intelligent person.

Being at Sky, he should get all the help he should need, seeing as they are the only team with a psychologist on the payroll (and actually has worked for British Cycling). TBH I was surprised to see him at Sky, being a Colombian, staying at a Spanish team, or even moving to an Italian team would seem more of a natural fit, then an Angelo-phone team.

 

[ancientdude]

Edited.....

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Well I am sure the fact that I have trained and raced with him should be enough. I have also trained and raced with Libardo Nino, who is actually 54kg and there is a world of difference in both muscular and skeletal size.

thank you! libardo nino is insane, in absolute topshape he'd be 169 and 52 kg and still be amazing rouleur and itt guy and at age 43 being the best climber in langkawi gave him much confidence

 

[Anonymous]

Well I am sure the fact that I have trained and raced with him should be enough. I have also trained and raced with Libardo Nino, who is actually 54kg and there is a world of difference in both muscular and skeletal size.

well why didnt you say that originally. You must understand there are a lot of people come out with phrases like "i can guarantee it" around here with absolutely nothing to back it up. If you have personal knowledge like that, say it to start with rather than just saying you can guarantee it. If we had a $ for everyone who guaranteed something we'd all be very rich.



Spoke to Sky this morning, its confirmed as 63kg. Sky have his weight right, training peaks boob. TP should be fixing it at some point.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I just can't belive you guys believe a ridiculous figure as 173 and 54 kg. just one look at a photo should tell you enough

do you know btw if sky are working well on his itt and any other things with him??

 

[Jamsque]

I am really looking forward to seeing how Uran Uran Uran goes at Catalunya, it will be his first race for Sky in a leadership role.

 

[theyoungest]

Well...I know Basso, not exactly a talent anymore, but just to say, had 440W at threshold, 20w more than last year, he put the numbers on his wbesite I believe (sporza was talking about it).
Gesink always puts his numbers up, and he even got between 450-460W at threshold...

Both Basso and Gesink are much heavier than Uran though. The w/kg is lower. Although Gesink in a test 2 years ago, when he was still 22, had 505W which came down to 7.1 w/kg. So same number as Uran
Rujano at Quick Step even had 8.1 w/kg.... (sickening)

Same number yes, but he didn't hold that for 35 minutes, obviously. But as we've now figured out, neither did Uran

 

[Raceoftruth]

I am really looking forward to seeing how Uran Uran Uran goes at Catalunya, it will be his first race for Sky in a leadership role.

Me too! Hope he does well!

 

[stefrees]

I just can't belive you guys believe a ridiculous figure as 173 and 54 kg. just one look at a photo should tell you enough

do you know btw if sky are working well on his itt and any other things with him??

Yea they are, he said in his Paris nice blog he has enjoyed concentrating on his tt'ing again and he aims to work on it.

Will be a good test this week as leader with a team of zandio, possoni, cioni, froome and pauwels working for him, top 3 should be realistic

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I saw an interview with him on nuestrociclismo where he sia dhow professional sky was and that they were very serious about working on his itt again and he indeed enjoyed it again. it makes me happy because he used to like itt also and it was his biggest weapon as a junior

 

[Raceoftruth]

Might have some answers on this by the end of the week!

 

[nevada]

Good ride yesterday on a tough stage.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

http://www.teamskyfans.com/schedules.html

now sky website have him listed as 74 kg

 

[hfer07]

I find a bit problematic(perhaps in my own perception) to see Uran sort of becoming a Sprinter---Does Sky promote "sprinters" only?
Uran possesses an unique set of Skills to be nurtured, not to be derailed by a Team's singular approach.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I find a bit problematic(perhaps in my own perception) to see Uran sort of becoming a Sprinter---Does Sky promote "sprinters" only?
Uran possesses an unique set of Skills to be nurtured, not to be derailed by a Team's singular approach.

I don't think Sky are going to try to turn him into a sprinter, unless they are completely nuts.

Dan Martin finished 4th and 10th in two of the mass sprints in Catalunya, and Garmin are hardly trying to make him over as a sprinter. The field of sprinters was just terrible, so even guys who normally have absolutely no business at the sharp end of a mass sprint were competitive.

 

[Jamsque]

Well, they are trying to develop a British climber, so why not a Colombian sprinter too?

 

[roundabout]

http://www.teamskyfans.com/schedules.html

now sky website have him listed as 74 kg

http://www.teamsky.com/profile/0,27291,17543_6636475,00.html

63 kg.

 

[hfer07]

Well, they are trying to develop a British climber, so why not a Colombian sprinter too?

but it was Garmin who turned him into a goat Climber, and as soon as he went back to England, his "climbing abilities" suddenly faded

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

but it was Garmin who turned him into a goat Climber, and as soon as he went back to England, his "climbing abilities" suddenly faded

Didn't look too shabby on the climb last week.

 

[ingsve]

I find a bit problematic(perhaps in my own perception) to see Uran sort of becoming a Sprinter---Does Sky promote "sprinters" only?
Uran possesses an unique set of Skills to be nurtured, not to be derailed by a Team's singular approach.

He's always been pretty fast so why not have him sprint when there is no one else there to sprint for them? I don't see anyone complaining when Valverde sprints whenever he gets an opportunity and no one is trying to make Valverde into a sprinter either.

 

[maltiv]

Didn't look too shabby on the climb last week.

Yea he looked great, only 8 minutes behind Fränk.

I'm very surprised that Uran is not on the squad for Amstel Gold Race, thought that race would be almost perfect for him.

 

[hatcher]

I can exclusively reveal that they are not turning him into a sprinter.

 

[hfer07]

He's always been pretty fast so why not have him sprint when there is no one else there to sprint for them? I don't see anyone complaining when Valverde sprints whenever he gets an opportunity and no one is trying to make Valverde into a sprinter either.

I would love Uran to become a rider like Valverde--but that's really exceeding expectations I don't mind if he's in the mix of a Sprint, at least from a small- but having a physic for climbing & TT, why would he be encouraged to contest sprints in a larger bunch-ala EBH? I hope i'm wrong, and his current approach is only an exploration & training-otherwise it will be a waste of raw talent.