Urine Trouble

[thehog]

Can you substantiate that statement, please.

Do you have a spare 28 hours?

Bang this box set on and it should explain everything. Utterly ridiculous.

 

[flicker]

Do you have a spare 28 hours?

Bang this box set on and it should explain everything. Utterly ridiculous.

I never said you were wrong, hog. We are talking Levi and Popo, now and in the past 3 years. I would like to hear some good evidence, besides Ukranian folk songs, big bubba and the MIGHTY LEVI LEIPHEIMER!!!!!!!!
I never argue with you guys and I am here to learn.

 

[flicker]

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Do you have a spare 28 hours?

Bang this box set on and it should explain everything. Utterly ridiculous.

I never said you were wrong, hog. We are talking Levi and Popo, now and in the past 3 years. I would like to hear some good evidence, besides Ukranian folk songs, big bubba and the MIGHTY LEVI LEIPHEIMER!!!!!!!!
I never argue with you guys and I am here to learn.

 

[bianchigirl]

28 hours of watching one man completely & utterly take the **** out of a great sport? No thanks

 

[Race Radio]

I never said you were wrong, hog. We are talking Levi and Popo, now and in the past 3 years. I would like to hear some good evidence, besides Ukranian folk songs, big bubba and the MIGHTY LEVI LEIPHEIMER!!!!!!!!
I never argue with you guys and I am here to learn.

There are many factors. If they are looking to show a continuing pattern of organized doping that spread over years then Popo would be a good place to start

 

[flicker]

28 hours of watching one man completely & utterly take the **** out of a great sport? No thanks

Like I have said many times id Lance is a villan, he will pay. Maybe not in the way that you would expect or want but he will pay.
He has never rubbished the sport of cycling.
The thing is though. I still believe he has given more than he has taken by thousands of times.
Kind of like the film, I think it is called 'No country for old men.'

 

[Digger]

28 hours of watching one man completely & utterly take the **** out of a great sport? No thanks

Real master beater stuff for some though.

 

[flicker]

Lances' magnificient 7 could also be given an analogy to the film 'There Will be Blood. We are speaking the sport of cycling, enjoy the spectacle, it is not real life. When we get to serious about a sport we tend to take the fun out of it.
The Pyrenees, Alps, Dolomites, a pure gladiator contest, enjoy it for what it is, an epic painfest. That other film, documenting the 73 Giro, 'Stars and Water Carriers', watch their pain and suffering.
Do you think Lance experienced any less pain than any other rider?

 

[Digger]

Lances' magnificient 7 could also be given an analogy to the film 'There Will be Blood. We are speaking the sport of cycling, enjoy the spectacle, it is not real life. When we get to serious about a sport we tend to take the fun out of it.
The Pyrenees, Alps, Dolomites, a pure gladiator contest, enjoy it for what it is, an epic painfest. That other film, documenting the 73 Giro, 'Stars and Water Carriers', watch their pain and suffering.
Do you think Lance experienced any less pain than any other rider?

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[ksmith]

There could be problems getting Popo back in the U.S. for trial. No such problems for Leipheimer. Plus Leipheimer can talk about what Bruyneel was doing in the early 00's.

I dont know U.S. law, but can the feds freeze his wages as radioshack is a U.S. team to encourage his co-operation or go after any assests in the U.S.?

If the U.S. cant do anything, can interpole be used ?

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

If the U.S. cant do anything, can interpole be used ?

Is that a new interrogation technique for investigators? Sounds painful. I'd definitely talk before they tried to use it on me.

 

[ksmith]

Is that a new interrogation technique for investigators? Sounds painful. I'd definitely talk before they tried to use it on me.

oops!

 

[patricknd]

Real master beater stuff for some though.

don't worry, we're not judging you

 

[BroDeal]

Can you substantiate that statement, please.

It was as obvious as Ricco and Schumacher. Leipheimer had to dope to make it as an amateur. You think a twerp like him was podiuming in GTs while clean? Whatever Contador was on, Leipheimer must have been buying it in fifty-five gallon drums. The dude's basement must look like the back room of a Walgreens.

 

[Escarabajo]

It was as obvious as Ricco and Schumacher. Leipheimer had to dope to make it as an amateur. You think a twerp like him was podiuming in GTs while clean? Whatever Contador was on, Leipheimer must have been buying it in fifty-five gallon drums. The dude's basement must look like the back room of a Walgreens.

LOL. That is really funny.

Talking about a donkey turn into a Tour contender.

Some respected members had him in high regards, but I am not sure this guy falls in the talented category.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

Has anyone found the incorporation of Tailwind in Delaware in 2002 ?
Those should be publicly available records, right ?

I gave it a try this afternoon, didn't have much luck.

 

[Dallas_]

Delaware

Has anyone found the incorporation of Tailwind in Delaware in 2002 ?
Those should be publicly available records, right ?

I gave it a try this afternoon, didn't have much luck.

Dr Maserati states he cannot find them online. Refer to Dr's post #575. What we need is a forum member, who lives in the Delaware area or nearby to get physical copies and then scan them. Novitzky would already have them, but that does not help us.

cheers

 

[DirtyWorks]

Has anyone found the incorporation of Tailwind in Delaware in 2002 ?
Those should be publicly available records, right ?

I gave it a try this afternoon, didn't have much luck.

State business entity registration system are rarely free or have easy access. California is a noted exception.

If you want to dig around, visit the Texas Secretary of State and get the Capital Sports and Entertainment info. You won't find anything too exciting, but my guess is, you'll know the 'made' members of the Pharmstrong team after digging up enough stuff.

CSE will teach you how to exploit the less fortunate to enrich yourself. http://www.planetcse.com/partners.html

 

[goober]

The whole world does not revolve around Armstrong. Michael Ball, for instance is probably very nervous right now. The person who actually sold Floyd his dope is probably very nervous right now. Perhaps the whole network of people who supplied Floyd have been compromised. There is a whole load of righteous targets that Novitzky is doubtless working on. If any undercover or wiretap work was done, well . . .WOW.

Your argument assumes that the feds are out to get Lance, in particular. That just can't be true. You are asserting that the federal investigation is stupid if it continues without a prospect of nailing Lance. It is not stupid if it nails others, and I have great confidence that others will be indicted--I just have no confidence that Lance will be indicted (criminally).

RICO predicate acts are federal crimes. Nothing that you recite looks like a federal predicate offense, nor is there anything that suggests Lance's personal agreement to the commission of a predicate act.

Nothing I've seen on this forum indicates anything like a chargeable federal crime. By the way, a prosecutor's conviction rate would tend to inversely relate to that prosecutor's indictment rate.

My premise is straightforward: The facts that are publicly available make it more likely that Lance will not be indicted. I have yet to see anything resembling a good argument that it is more likely that Lance will be indicted (but I have been compared to a 4 year old and my argument has been called stupid).

The ad hominem argument, the "you're a Lance lover" argument, the "word on the street" argument, the "I have superior knowledge" argument, and the "why are you here" argument are arguments unworthy of grown-ups.

From what I do know Michael Ball is up the creek and Lance is looking good. . This forum is full of media puppets.

 

[bianchigirl]

I once watched Leipheimer trail in miles off the back of the peloton - in the Tour of Poitou Charentes. If ever there was a donkey turned into a thoroughbred it was Levi the poison dwarf

 

[veganrob]

I once watched Leipheimer trail in miles off the back of the peloton - in the Tour of Poitou Charentes. If ever there was a donkey turned into a thoroughbred it was Levi the poison dwarf

"The poison dwarf". That is great. What an awesome and appropriate name.

I once liked Levi because he claimed he was vegetarian, till some friends in Cal confirmed he was not. Ok, I was stupid fanboy. But, yeah, he is a dweeb.

 

[VeloCity]

The facts that are publicly available

Well, that's kind of key right there - forum discussions are interesting and all but I doubt that we are aware of even a fraction of the "facts" that Novitzky et al. have in hand. And along those lines, I highly doubt the investigation would still be going forward if they didn't already have some very interesting "facts" in hand.

 

[Benotti69]

Well, that's kind of key right there - forum discussions are interesting and all but I doubt that we are aware of even a fraction of the "facts" that Novitzky et al. have in hand. And along those lines, I highly doubt the investigation would still be going forward if they didn't already have some very interesting "facts" in hand.

Yep. They must have some pretty hard evidence for this to be ongoing and for LA to end his comeback prior to his swan song at the ToC, which was going to be a lie$trong love in.

The Jet must be making lots of flights back and forth between Switzerland.

 

[cyclelicious]

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[jimmypop]

From what I do know Michael Ball is up the creek and Lance is looking good. . This forum is full of media puppets.

If that's the case, then what you know is less than what's publicly available on the case, which means you either have reading comprehension deficits or are willfully ignoring the evidence as we know it.

Given the motive of pro-lace posters on this forum, it's probably the latter.