US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[Hugh Januss]

i was wondering if i was the only one who knew, guess not

Yeah, I can't believe they killed bucky again. Those basterds!

 

[Race Radio]

And I'm totally cool with exposing the myths. We just have to be open to the possibility that this case didn't go as expected for a wide variety of potential reasons that may have had nothing to do with direct influence peddling. As I said earlier, Fabiani might have worked his magic strictly as a publicist rather than a lobbyist. Perhaps "who he knew" got him an audience with people that "commoners" don't get the same access to. I wish they kept logs of their visitors, etc.

Agreed. And don't forget Kekker. He made the government's life hell in the Bonds case. He was a game changer

 

[BotanyBay]

Agreed. And don't forget Kekker. He made the government's life hell in the Bonds case. He was a game changer

We don't pay for skills. We pay for the Rolodex. Word.

 

[function]

.....Or flood the board with rambling, unintelligible, babble

... In stark contrast to the cogent, intellectual debate that is carried out by the paragons, the few, of logic and discourse in the clinic.

 

[thehog]

Looks like Lance's "get out of jail free" card has upset a few people in DC.....

http://capoliticalnews.com/2012/02/16/lance-armstrong-texas-charity-a-front-for-politics/


If you go to the Lance Armstrong LiveStrong website, you will find where your donations go:

“Since our inception in 1997, the Lance Armstrong Foundation has raised more than $325 million to support our mission to inspire and empower people affected by cancer.

We have provided financial resources to more than 550 organizations that conduct cancer survivorship research or offer services to people affected by cancer, and 81 cents of every dollar raised has gone directly to support our programs and services for survivors.”

What a lie. They do not mention that your charitable dollars, you thought was going to help cancer victims and research to end cancer–goes to political campaigns.

“Charity gives $1.5M to tobacco tax initiative

SACRAMENTO (AP) — Supporters of an initiative on California’s June ballot that would raise cigarette taxes to fund cancer research got a boost Wednesday from Lance Armstrong’s Livestrong charity as the cycling champion announced a $1.5 million…”

This “charity” is supporting a tax increase. Here is the kicker. My guess is that the “researchers” who will get our tax dollars are the same researchers that this charitable front supports as well.

Why can’t Lance Armstrong, a Texan, be honest with his donors and the people of California? Planned Parenthood is a political operation, mostly for the purpose to end pregnancies. Susan G.Komen gets bullied and is forced to spend money on abortions instead of breast cancer cures.

Cancer is a serious problem. We are ill served when “cancer” organizations abuse the public trust and act like Chicago politicians.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Looks like Lance's "get out of jail free" card has upset a few people in DC.....

http://capoliticalnews.com/2012/02/16/lance-armstrong-texas-charity-a-front-for-politics/


If you go to the Lance Armstrong LiveStrong website, you will find where your donations go:

“Since our inception in 1997, the Lance Armstrong Foundation has raised more than $325 million to support our mission to inspire and empower people affected by cancer.

We have provided financial resources to more than 550 organizations that conduct cancer survivorship research or offer services to people affected by cancer, and 81 cents of every dollar raised has gone directly to support our programs and services for survivors.”

What a lie. They do not mention that your charitable dollars, you thought was going to help cancer victims and research to end cancer–goes to political campaigns.

“Charity gives $1.5M to tobacco tax initiative

SACRAMENTO (AP) — Supporters of an initiative on California’s June ballot that would raise cigarette taxes to fund cancer research got a boost Wednesday from Lance Armstrong’s Livestrong charity as the cycling champion announced a $1.5 million…”

This “charity” is supporting a tax increase. Here is the kicker. My guess is that the “researchers” who will get our tax dollars are the same researchers that this charitable front supports as well.

Why can’t Lance Armstrong, a Texan, be honest with his donors and the people of California? Planned Parenthood is a political operation, mostly for the purpose to end pregnancies. Susan G.Komen gets bullied and is forced to spend money on abortions instead of breast cancer cures.

Cancer is a serious problem. We are ill served when “cancer” organizations abuse the public trust and act like Chicago politicians.

Smokescreen.

now here come the rebuttals

 

[Cal_Joe]

....now here come the rebuttals

No rebuttals, just a few thoughts.

Stephen Frank comments on California issues - don't know why hoggy wanted to move him to another coast.

No mention in the article about the GJ investigation and sudden termination. Curious as to what thought processes would lead one to believe that the commentary is based on someone being upset about those events.

Frank is fairly conservative consultant/commentator. He is upset about tax issues more than anything else.

 

[Polish]

It's a proven FACT that taxing cigarette smokers reduces smoking.
Good Tax. Healthy Tax.
Lance not afraid to go up against Big Tobacco grrrrrr.

Of course, we can only hope the Feds will not waste the additional taxpayer monies. Fingers crossed.

 

[thehog]

Smokescreen.

now here come the rebuttals

I'm just waiting for the dots to be joined by the mad men on the hill....

"So you have a man who voluntarily injected himself with god knows what and encouraged those around him to inject themselves with toxins to pontificate to us about cigarette smoking? - are we to believe this man?"

Maybe Lance can tell us the Christian Right are haters along with those who make their own choice to smoke...... that should isolate him to about 50 million Americans!

Strange fight to pick for our inspirational hero.... thats what happens when you buy you're way out of a fight. You gotta pretend you like the party and the cause you back.....

He'll be paying back favours for life.....

 

[patricknd]

Yeah, I can't believe they killed bucky again. Those basterds!

he'll be back, and badder than ever

 

[goober]

It's a proven FACT that taxing cigarette smokers reduces smoking.
Good Tax. Healthy Tax.
Lance not afraid to go up against Big Tobacco grrrrrr.

Of course, we can only hope the Feds will not waste the additional taxpayer monies. Fingers crossed.

Correct. The foundation was actually following the lead of other organizations - wash't something 'Lance' came up with, etc.

Not sure the relativity of this information to this thread or the clinic.

Here is American Caner Society relating your comment on saving lives:

http://www.acscan.org/pdf/tobacco/reports/acscan-tobacco-taxes-report.pdf

 

[BotanyBay]

Well HEY to Goober!

 

[Anonymous]

It's a proven FACT that taxing cigarette smokers reduces smoking.
Good Tax. Healthy Tax.
Lance not afraid to go up against Big Tobacco grrrrrr.

Of course, we can only hope the Feds will not waste the additional taxpayer monies. Fingers crossed.

goddammit. I agree. grrrrr.

It's a good tax because it punishes smokers (lol), who are overwhelmingly unemployed and at the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder.

Lance not afraid to support regressive taxation. Bold. Useful. Good tax. Healthy Tax.

It's about time the poorest among us paid their fair share. Hopefully Lance gets a commission from the State of CA. Livestrong a direct beneficiary of cigarette sales. lol

 

[Velodude]

goddammit. I agree. grrrrr.

It's a good tax because it punishes smokers (lol), who are overwhelmingly unemployed and at the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder.

Lance not afraid to support regressive taxation. Bold. Useful. Good tax. Healthy Tax.

It's about time the poorest among us paid their fair share. Hopefully Lance gets a commission from the State of CA. Livestrong a direct beneficiary of cigarette sales. lol

If Lance was serious he should be lobbying his newly acquired Federal buddies to raise the Federal excise tax on tobacco.

State excise taxes are all over the place. New York, the highest, means residents go for a drive over the border to purchase significantly lower cost cigarettes.

Some States are very low and have not raised taxes for decades.

US State & Federal excise is very low compared to a lot of overseas countries yet those countries still have a tobacco consumption problem.

Tobacco excise is all about raising revenue. Now is California experiencing fiscal problems?

 

[Velodude]

Well HEY to Goober!

So were Goober and Polish separated at birth?

 

[Anonymous]

If Lance was serious he should be lobbying his newly acquired Federal buddies to raise the Federal excise tax on tobacco.

State excise taxes are all over the place. New York, the highest, means residents go for a drive over the border to purchase significantly lower cost cigarettes.

Some States are very low and have not raised taxes for decades.

US State & Federal excise is very low compared to a lot of overseas countries yet those countries still have a tobacco consumption problem.

Tobacco excise is all about raising revenue. Now is California experiencing fiscal problems?

Yes.

Plus, we like to do a lot of social engineering so there's that.

 

[goober]

Well HEY to Goober!

Hello BotanyBay

 

[MacRoadie]

If Lance was serious he should be lobbying his newly acquired Federal buddies to raise the Federal excise tax on tobacco.

What, and effectively raise cancer-fighting funds in all 50 states contemporaneously, rather than just one? Fifty for the price of one?

That's just crazy talk!

 

[Oldman]

So were Goober and Polish separated at birth?

Not separated but given only one brain between them. Unfortunately that doesn't prevent them from talking when it's not their turn to use said brain.

 

[Velodude]

Not separated but given only one brain between them. Unfortunately that doesn't prevent them from talking when it's not their turn to use said brain.

“God gave men two heads, but only enough blood to run one of them at a time.”~ Robin Williams

 

[fatandfast]

If Lance was serious he should be lobbying his newly acquired Federal buddies to raise the Federal excise tax on tobacco.

State excise taxes are all over the place. New York, the highest, means residents go for a drive over the border to purchase significantly lower cost cigarettes.

Some States are very low and have not raised taxes for decades.

US State & Federal excise is very low compared to a lot of overseas countries yet those countries still have a tobacco consumption problem.

Tobacco excise is all about raising revenue. Now is California experiencing fiscal problems?

I agree.Lance and his buddies should command that all 50 states adopt 1 set of tobacco rules period. They should also get some of the other stuff sorted out like beer,wine and alcohol rules.
There should be only one set of rules that apply to alcohol and Lance and his buddies should just put it in place, He should start in Utah. Those guys have all kinds of backward things in place to keep bike riders and skiers from get completely plowed while they are in town, that should be changed.

 

[thehog]

I agree.Lance and his buddies should command that all 50 states adopt 1 set of tobacco rules period. They should also get some of the other stuff sorted out like beer,wine and alcohol rules.
There should be only one set of rules that apply to alcohol and Lance and his buddies should just put it in place, He should start in Utah. Those guys have all kinds of backward things in place to keep bike riders and skiers from get completely plowed while they are in town, that should be changed.

After that he can start on ridding junior sports from PEDs. Perhaps gets a tax on steroids, EPO etc.? Maybe go around to the schools and education young athletes?

Because the children are our future. Let them grow, let them lead the way. We are the world.

 

[aphronesis]

What, and effectively raise cancer-fighting funds in all 50 states contemporaneously, rather than just one? Fifty for the price of one?

That's just crazy talk!

Seems a little backward; shouldn't he just go after big tobacco? Wouldn't that be no problem with his new-found "Federal friends"?

 

[aphronesis]

.....Or flood the board with rambling, unintelligible, babble

Maybe you should jump into the fray and question the things you don't understand before a single point gets argued with over three to four pages. One could use shorter sentences and smaller words.

But that isn't really your issue is it.....

Rambling, by the criteria of your posts is any sentence that doesn't have a transitive verb or make nominative qualification (usually either pejorative or tribally inclusive--same difference obviously). If babble, you should ignore it. But you don't. If unintelligible, per the above, you should question it. But you don't.

The wildly clever conflation of Birotte/Borat pretty much stakes out the terrain at which it seems you would like to see the board and discussion operate. Pity you don't post in the politics threads.

On topic for this thread, there's a vast body of literature on the historical turning point at which American males espousing the ideologies of your posts were divested from the political processes of this country. What some call the demos. (That's a greek word; shhh, don't call it unintelligible, might make you a bigot.) Mostly by user-friendly technological media. Ironic, huh?

Maybe if you looked into that transition you might be better positioned to argue the way in which "money and politics" superseded, what was your word..... investigation?

 

[Race Radio]

Maybe you should jump into the fray and question the things you don't understand before a single point gets argued with over three to four pages. One could use shorter sentences and smaller words.

But that isn't really your issue is it.....

Rambling, by the criteria of your posts is any sentence that doesn't have a transitive verb or make nominative qualification (usually either pejorative or tribally inclusive--same difference obviously). If babble, you should ignore it. But you don't. If unintelligible, per the above, you should question it. But you don't.

The wildly clever conflation of Birotte/Borat pretty much stakes out the terrain at which it seems you would like to see the board and discussion operate. Pity you don't post in the politics threads.

On topic for this thread, there's a vast body of literature on the historical turning point at which American males espousing the ideologies of your posts were divested from the political processes of this country. What some call the demos. (That's a greek word; shhh, don't call it unintelligible, might make you a bigot.) Mostly by user-friendly technological media. Ironic, huh?

Maybe if you looked into that transition you might be better positioned to argue the way in which "money and politics" superseded, what was your word..... investigation?

Thanks for proving my point