US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[Polish]

I am pretty sure copies of all doping related files were made available to USADA throughout the investigation. Why not? Its not a crime to dope in sport.

You are correct. Not a crime to dope in sport.
Novitsky said it himself.

But it IS a crime to leak GJ Testimony. Your best hope is to have Lance leak some GJ stuff to WADA/USADA. THAT would be a Federal Offense.
Jail time and boyfriends. Finally. Hope. Believe.

 

[Benotti69]

i have said this a few times.

If Armstrong was in the clear the fanboys would not be here repeating ad nauseum their pro Armstrong obfuscation.

USADA will have got something and probably enough and maybe promises of more to come.

Why bother making (as Botany bay said) a statement that they are not finished.

They have intent and Armstrong is still worried and no doubt we will hear lawyers making claims about USADA not being entitled to jackshít from the feds.

 

[VeloCity]

More taxpayer money well-spent...

And what if the result had been charges of fraud, importation and trafficking of illegal drugs, etc? Maybe we shouldn't ever have such investigations at all, since some of them come to nothing.

 

[Benotti69]

And what if the result had been charges of fraud, importation and trafficking of illegal drugs, etc? Maybe we shouldn't ever have such investigations at all, since some of them come to nothing.

I wonder do those same people moaning about a waste of taxpayers money investigating Armstrong complain about the waste of money on the us military? How many billions spent on Iraq/Afghanistan and all those wasted/unjust wars in South America/Southeast Asia and they are worried about a couple of million on this?

 

[sniper]

i have said this a few times.

If Armstrong was in the clear the fanboys would not be here repeating ad nauseum their pro Armstrong obfuscation.

USADA will have got something and probably enough and maybe promises of more to come.

Why bother making (as Botany bay said) a statement that they are not finished.

They have intent and Armstrong is still worried and no doubt we will hear lawyers making claims about USADA not being entitled to jackshít from the feds.

I think WADA have set a good example by daring to take on AC, and CAS also set a good example by banning him.
It shows money doesn't buy you everything.
On the other hand, as Berzin said a couple of pages back, if Armstrong has the money and power to buy out the Feds, the USADA might be less of a hurdle to him.

 

[Benotti69]

I think WADA have set a good example by daring to take on AC, and CAS also set a good example by banning him.
It shows money doesn't buy you everything.
On the other hand, as Berzin said a couple of pages back, if Armstrong has the money and power to buy out the Feds, the USADA might be less of a hurdle to him.

To take down Armstrong makes you more powerful when it comes to a bigger Nikey athlete Someone might think we will get Armstrong and then the price can be higher for James LeBron Williams sisters....

 

[DirtyWorks]

I think WADA have set a good example by daring to take on AC, and CAS also set a good example by banning him.
It shows money doesn't buy you everything.
On the other hand, as Berzin said a couple of pages back, if Armstrong has the money and power to buy out the Feds, the USADA might be less of a hurdle to him.

I'm repeating myself for some, but it deserves mentioning that USA Cycling is run by the Tailwind cohorts. So, the US cycling federation and the UCI will do their level best to defend Armstrong. It will be interesting to see if this reaches into USOC. I don't know if it will, or how, but USOC might have something to contribute to the Wonderboy defense via Fabiani and the USOC's Congressional funding.

 

[MarkvW]

Felony charges in recent times require actual physical evidence. The judge rules what is admissible. We may never know what was on or off the table.

Felony charges do not require "actual physical evidence," whatever that is. You really should tell people that you are just fooling with them.

 

[Oldman]

And what if the result had been charges of fraud, importation and trafficking of illegal drugs, etc? Maybe we shouldn't ever have such investigations at all, since some of them come to nothing.

As long as Novitsky cooperated with Interpol and Ferrari's on the hot seat this is a long way from over. Weisel would be the money behind using a US Senator to pressure the politically sensitive closure of this file. It doesn't mean it's done by any means. Hope is alive.

 

[thehog]

If someone told me a year ago that Andy Shleck would win the 2011 Tour, Contador would be rubbed out of the sport and not appear in 2012, Lance and Hog would be sponsoring the new Leopard and back in control at the Tour and all Federal charges against Armstrong would be dropped I would have laughed at them.

But that’s where we are today.

Life.

 

[Velodude]

This is an extract from a 2008 paper arguing for an increase in funding for USADA. Of note it came from within the University of Texas.

More interestingly, there is value in maintaining international accord and respect amongst other nations. Sports are one way to put politics aside and demonstrate human equality and decency; it is partly the USADA’s responsibility to protect the United States’ image abroad. Politically, this potentially translates into leverage in the international arena and credibility amongst other nations. Economically, it may prevent social boycotting of American goods. Socially, as people of a nation are often judged by the actions of its governmental institutions, the USADA can help ensure that Americans are treated respectfully abroad.

Looks like USADA have to take up the cudgels dropped by the US politicians to maintain international credibility.

 

[Race Radio]

I hope you had your fun......now it is game on.

Did anyone really think they did not have anything on him? People are angry and people are talking.

 

[Velodude]

I think WADA have set a good example by daring to take on AC, and CAS also set a good example by banning him.
It shows money doesn't buy you everything.
On the other hand, as Berzin said a couple of pages back, if Armstrong has the money and power to buy out the Feds, the USADA might be less of a hurdle to him.

USADA has been deliberately set up to be a totally independent body free from potential outside influence and interference. The deliberation arose from USOC's past lack of independence.

USADA puts its cases up for US arbitration and any judgment is accountable outside the USA through an appeal process that can be commenced by either WADA or UCI.

Contador's case is where the Spanish system ruled in his favor and the decision was internationally appealed to CAS.

 

[eztarget]

As a US tax payer this investigation ticks me off. We are already trillions of dollars in debt. What a total waste of time, resources and most importantly MONEY. I don't care if Lance Armstrong rode around drinking liquid steroids 10 years ago. It was over 10 years ago stop wasting FEDERAL money (i.e. my tax money) on this crap.

 

[Benotti69]

As a US tax payer this investigation ticks me off. We are already trillions of dollars in debt. What a total waste of time, resources and most importantly MONEY. I don't care if Lance Armstrong rode around drinking liquid steroids 10 years ago. It was over 10 years ago stop wasting FEDERAL money (i.e. my tax money) on this crap.

what about USA foreign policy?

Trillions of dollars might be something to do with all the sabre rattling and military action on foreign soil.

 

[thehog]

what about USA foreign policy?

Trillions of dollars might be something to do with all the sabre rattling and military action on foreign soil.

700 Billion on AIG and the Banking industry was well spent.

 

[DirtyWorks]

As a US tax payer this investigation ticks me off. We are already trillions of dollars in debt. What a total waste of time, resources and most importantly MONEY. I don't care if Lance Armstrong rode around drinking liquid steroids 10 years ago. It was over 10 years ago stop wasting FEDERAL money (i.e. my tax money) on this crap.

Most of you know the drill:

What about the money spent on that promised Democracy in Iraq? WMD's?
What about the budget investigating a recent memorable Ponzi scheme or two?
What about the money spent on multifaceted, widespread mortgage fraud investigations?

This investigation pales in comparison to those. A mere drop in the budgetary bucket.

Just so we're clear, what's okay?
Using controlled substances on humans in entirely experimental ways is okay?
Running an illicit drug running operation for years is okay?
Fraud is okay?

If running drugs is okay, I'll give you a ground-floor opportunity to my new PED reselling operation. Don't worry, there's a non-profit angle too. 2% goes to 'conservation awareness.' I've got Nikey on board already.

BALCO prosecutions would be the closest thing, but that wasn't an international conspiracy.

 

[Benotti69]

Most of you know the drill:

What about the money spent on that promised Democracy in Iraq? WMD's?
What about the budget investigating a recent memorable Ponzi scheme or two?
What about the money spent on multifaceted, widespread mortgage fraud investigations?
BALCO prosecutions?

This investigation pales in comparison to those. A mere drop in the budgetary bucket.

Using controlled substances on humans in entirely experimental ways is okay?
Running an illicit drug running operation for years is okay?
Fraud is okay?

If running drugs is okay, I'll give you a ground-floor opportunity to my new PED reselling operation. Don't worry, there's a non-profit angle too. 2% goes to 'conservation awareness.'


Just so I'm clear, what's okay?

"A mere drop in the budgetary bucket."

It isn't even that. More obfuscation from Armstrongs team of forumavidians.

 

[Oldman]

As a US tax payer this investigation ticks me off. We are already trillions of dollars in debt. What a total waste of time, resources and most importantly MONEY. I don't care if Lance Armstrong rode around drinking liquid steroids 10 years ago. It was over 10 years ago stop wasting FEDERAL money (i.e. my tax money) on this crap.

As a taxpayer I want my drug supply secure from Chinese and Montenegran counterfeits/placebos. Internationally the Drug industry wants to stop the underground profiteering. Nationally many would like to see a halt to sham
"foundations" providing tax-free playgrounds for exploitive and overpaid
"athletes" masquarading as healing messiahs.
Since most of the money has been spent on the investigation hopefully USADA and others will be less politically manipulated and the truth will come out. But that would be crap, right? Maybe you just like to say CRAP.
CRAPCRAPCRAPCRAPCRAP

 

[DirtyWorks]

USADA has been deliberately set up to be a totally independent body free from potential outside influence and interference. The deliberation arose from USOC's past lack of independence.

USADA puts its cases up for US arbitration and any judgment is accountable outside the USA through an appeal process that can be commenced by either WADA or UCI.

Contador's case is where the Spanish system ruled in his favor and the decision was internationally appealed to CAS.

Yes, but how is USADA funded? People motivated to pursue the case at USADA could be looking for work because of suddenly poor work performance. Congress critters could be concerned that USADA is over-stepping their mission and cut funding.

If a Federal Grand Jury Investigation can be shut down, who can possibly run defense for the USADA? And that's before USAC and UCI fight for Armstrong.

 

[Anonymous]

As a US tax payer this investigation ticks me off. We are already trillions of dollars in debt. What a total waste of time, resources and most importantly MONEY. I don't care if Lance Armstrong rode around drinking liquid steroids 10 years ago. It was over 10 years ago stop wasting FEDERAL money (i.e. my tax money) on this crap.

It's my tax money too. I supported the investigation because I don't like the bad guys getting over. Never have and I never will.

I don't care if Lance Armstrong rode around drinking liquid steroids 10 years ago

I'd ask you what you do care about except I'm pretty sure I won't care.

 

[eztarget]

what about USA foreign policy?

Trillions of dollars might be something to do with all the sabre rattling and military action on foreign soil.

I'm not for that either. I'm more of a Ron Paul type. I'd rather make MONEY overseas then bomb overseas.

 

[VeloCity]

I don't care if Lance Armstrong rode around drinking liquid steroids 10 years ago. It was over 10 years ago stop wasting FEDERAL money (i.e. my tax money) on this crap.

'Cept that's not what the investigation was about at all.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I'm not for that either. I'm more of a Ron Paul type. I'd rather make MONEY overseas then bomb overseas.

Well, don't look now but there's a lien on those Iraqi oil fields and you and I aren't on the note. So no rules is good rules then? I'm very familiar with the Randian shan-gri-la and it doesn't work.

When a protection racket comes to your neighborhood, you are okay paying the vig? You are okay with your house collapsing because the builder didn't obey any of the building standards?

Because that's what you are advocating. No rules or No one enforcing the rules means literally anything is fair game.

I think eztarget is done. Easy target after all.

 

[Benotti69]

I'm not for that either. I'm more of a Ron Paul type. I'd rather make MONEY overseas then bomb overseas.

But the politicans are making money from overseas, they're just not sharing it with the taxpayers