US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[MarkvW]

I think there are many many more that DO believe in the overwhelming sufficient evidence and that there WAS a Government CoverUp.

However, they also believe that logging onto a Government Website will open up a malicious Government Mind Control Portal on their computer.
And Kris T, the creator of the "petition", is most likely a Livestrong/Halibuton operative.

And to those of you who actually signed on to the "petition"?
Don't worry too much about that slight ringing you hear between your ears. I'm sure its perfectly normal. LiveStrong.

The funny part of it is that the blind faith that the government investigation was targeting and preparing to indict Lance has now been replaced with the blind faith that the investigation was terminated as a result of Lance's influence. And those true believers are the same ones who criticize fanboys for their blind faith in Lance.

 

[VeloCity]

Well you could turn it on its head…. If Armstrong was shown to be the same liar, doper, written books on being clean, conned people, accepted finance from others for shady causes then Floyd and Lance are not too far apart.

'Cept that there are numerous people making pretty much the exact same claims about Armstrong. If one thinks that Landis and Hamilton are lying and BA is a nutjob, then what do they believe about O'Reilly or Lemond or Startt or Walsh or Frankie Andreu etc? Also lying? Cause they're all saying basically the exact same thing, and essentially the same thing that Landis and Hamilton are saying.

 

[Anonymous]

The funny part of it is that the blind faith that the government investigation was targeting and preparing to indict Lance has now been replaced with the blind faith that the investigation was terminated as a result of Lance's influence. And those true believers are the same ones who criticize fanboys for their blind faith in Lance.

You got us.

Never mind that Birotte was not doing the investigating and never mind that Birotte has 'reportedly' ignored his investigators. Never mind that Birotte's unilateral decision has 'reportedly' angered at least some of those that actually prosecuted the investigation and gathered the evidence.

Never mind most of the details and your post above makes some sense.

 

[MarkvW]

You got us.

Never mind that Birotte was not doing the investigating and never mind that Birotte has 'reportedly' ignored his investigators. Never mind that Birotte's unilateral decision has 'reportedly' angered at least some of those that actually prosecuted the investigation and gathered the evidence.

Never mind most of the details and your post above makes some sense.

Cops get angry all the time when their cases don't get charged. And Birotte is the man with his name on the door.

You can't even articulate all the elements of a crime and the evidence applicable to those elements, but you are able to state that there is overwhelming evidence of a crime. That's not just blind faith! Its overwhelming evidence of blind faith!

 

[frenchfry]

Cops get angry all the time when their cases don't get charged. And Birotte is the man with his name on the door.

You can't even articulate all the elements of a crime and the evidence applicable to those elements, but you are able to state that there is overwhelming evidence of a crime. That's not just blind faith! Its overwhelming evidence of blind faith!

Birotte is a cheese-eating surrender monkey.

 

[thehog]

'Cept that there are numerous people making pretty much the exact same claims about Armstrong. If one thinks that Landis and Hamilton are lying and BA is a nutjob, then what do they believe about O'Reilly or Lemond or Startt or Walsh or Frankie Andreu etc? Also lying? Cause they're all saying basically the exact same thing, and essentially the same thing that Landis and Hamilton are saying.

What are the chances of so many crazy nut job liars? I mean mathematically? What would the statistics be?

 

[Anonymous]

Cops get angry all the time when their cases don't get charged. And Birotte is the man with his name on the door.

You can't even articulate all the elements of a crime and the evidence applicable to those elements, but you are able to state that there is overwhelming evidence of a crime. That's not just blind faith! Its overwhelming evidence of blind faith!

Well, I think the crimes that Wonderboy may have committed are fairly well documented. Further, what's in the public domain supports most of what's being speculated.

One guy shuts this thing down with a sparse statement catching his own staff as well as those of other agencies by surprise... Releases the statement on the Friday afternoon preceding the Superbowl.... All the while this thing stinks to high heaven....

And those that are asking additional questions are now extreme haters operating on blind faith.

But you are no Lance fanboy.

Got it.

 

[Polish]

What are the chances of so many crazy nut job liars? I mean mathematically? What would the statistics be?

Maybe 10 nutjob liars per 10,000 people?

 

[Velodude]

Maybe 10 nutjob liars per 10,000 people?

Polish you have been MIA?

Pick up a tummy bug in Panama?

 

[MarkvW]

Well, I think the crimes that Wonderboy may have committed are fairly well documented. Further, what's in the public domain supports most of what's being speculated.

One guy shuts this thing down with a sparse statement catching his own staff as well as those of other agencies by surprise... Releases the statement on the Friday afternoon preceding the Superbowl.... All the while this thing stinks to high heaven....

And those that are asking additional questions are now extreme haters operating on blind faith.

But you are no Lance fanboy.

Got it.

You're demonstrating your blind faith in "overwhelming evidence!" You don't know what the evidence is, but you have faith that it is out there somewhere.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

By "bought," do you mean "vinokouroved?"

"Vinokouroved?"
Armstrong was buying wins back before Vino turned Pro.

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/sciences/sante/gagner-a-tout-prix_489315.html

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You're demonstrating your blind faith in "overwhelming evidence!" You don't know what the evidence is, but you have faith that it is out there somewhere.

Can you point out where ScottSoCol ever said there was "overwhelming evidence"? Thanks.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Well, I think the crimes that Wonderboy may have committed are fairly well documented. Further, what's in the public domain supports most of what's being speculated.

One guy shuts this thing down with a sparse statement catching his own staff as well as those of other agencies by surprise... Releases the statement on the Friday afternoon preceding the Superbowl.... All the while this thing stinks to high heaven....

And those that are asking additional questions are now extreme haters operating on blind faith.

But you are no Lance fanboy.

Got it.

This thing does have an odor about it, but I am curious as to why you believe (and others have posted this) that it was "One Guy"?

 

[ChrisE]

'Cept they're among the main reasons we know Armstrong was doping. So if you don't believe them, dismiss their claims outright because they're "liars" and "nutjobs", then what's the alternative?

You replied to zig's reply to LBM's chicken little ramblings about "overwhelming evidence" they provided. Zigmeister inferred that TH, FL, and BA don't exactly make things a slam dunk because of who they are and their past. Your reply was that zig must think LA didn't dope then.

If you needed them to know that LA was doping then maybe I am giving you too much credit.

What TH and FL said about doping or even about the UCI thing is credible, to you and me. After LA's defense lawyers got thru with them on cross it would look like they just got spit out of a woodchipper. How would that look to the dolt on the jury?

And, as Mark has said they surely would not add to anything any trial would be about.

As for Betsy Andreu, I am still trying to figure out WTF she is relevant. She heard something in a room before USPS sponsorship that LA etal dispute. For that she has gone on a rampage for years all over the internet and in the media. Get some meds and counseling and move on.

If she would have been called as a witness (why would she?), she would have been made to look like a stalking psycho by these same high powered lawyers. Even so, she is in a different class to me than TH or FL. I do not find the hate crowd princess credible. YMMV.

Unfortunately, we will not get to see this circus play out. I kick myself because I should have seen it coming, since I thought all along he would not get convicted if it went to trial because of the reasons in this post and for other reasons (not because he didn't dope). I did not look at this from a political POV.

The govt. (the Obama admin) would look like idiots for pursuing it when he got off, in an election year at that. So, there are political issues that were surely taken into account.

I don't think it is a stretch that the prosecuters that looked at this situation as a whole ended it for these reasons.

 

[Polish]

Can you point out where ScottSoCol ever said there was "overwhelming evidence"? Thanks.

Why a link?

Can't we just ask ScottSoCol if if believes there was/is overwhelming evidence? Nip this vortex in the bud.

Maybe SSC believes there was not overwhelming evidence?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Actually Lance was a 6 D guy -don't forget Drugs, Dr Ferrari & Donations.
Lance didn't beat the system, he bought it.

Well he bought something. Not sure he bought the entire system but enough to make a difference maybe.

By the way you mentioned how many jurors are there on a USADA case in another post. Well I take it you are alluding to the fact that a USADA case will be brought against LA. While that may seem likely it might not happen and you might want to hold back on any ambitious predictions or hopes.

 

[MarkvW]

Why a link?

Can't we just ask ScottSoCol if if believes there was/is overwhelming evidence? Nip this vortex in the bud.

Maybe SSC believes there was not overwhelming evidence?

There must be links. And endless haggling over minutæ.

 

[ChrisE]

Why a link?

Can't we just ask ScottSoCol if if believes there was/is overwhelming evidence? Nip this vortex in the bud.

Maybe SSC believes there was not overwhelming evidence?

The Vortex.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well he bought something. Not sure he bought the entire system but enough to make a difference maybe.

By the way you mentioned how many jurors are there on a USADA case in another post. Well I take it you are alluding to the fact that a USADA case will be brought against LA. While that may seem likely it might not happen and you might want to hold back on any ambitious predictions or hopes.

This is a quote from the District Attorneys spokesperson, Thom Mrozek:

"We have received a request for information from USADA,"

There must be links. And endless haggling over minutæ.

Correct - because then you are just making up an argument and misrepresenting peoples opinion.
As Polish said, I just wanted to nip your vortex in the bud, thanks.

 

[Cal_Joe]

This is a quote from the District Attorneys spokesperson, Thom Mrozek:

"We have received a request for information from USADA,"

Correct - because then you are just making up an argument and misrepresenting peoples opinion.
As Polish said, I just wanted to nip your vortex in the bud, thanks.

Equally interesting is the rest of the quote. I'm surprised you did not include it.

"We are considering that request, in light of our legal obligations, and Department of Justice policy, and we will respond to them in due course. I don't know when that's going to be."

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Equally interesting is the rest of the quote. I'm surprised you did not include it.

Why would I?
Glenns point was that USADA might not take a case against people- as they are requesting information they are obviously doing just that.

 

[Polish]

Why would I?
Glenns point was that USADA might not take a case against people- as they are requesting information they are obviously doing just that.

Where did Glenn say "a case against people"?
He questioned your "case against Lance".

And the link you supplied from the DA did not even mention Lance did it?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I am not sure what is happening with either my browser or this site but I am unable to quote Dr. M's post and reply. Anyhow.......

Yes Dr. I understand that USADA has requested the evidence etc. also I understand from that SI article that there is a "PROBE" into LA and his doping.

My point being that .........just because we know these facts which have been reported through the "fish hacks" might not come to anything....?????

We all have been witness to what happened a few Friday's ago.

 

[Velodude]

There must be links. And endless haggling over minutæ.

And who is the overwhelming villain?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I am not sure what is happening with either my browser or this site but I am unable to quote Dr. M's post and reply. Anyhow.......

Yes Dr. I understand that USADA has requested the evidence etc. also I understand from that SI article that there is a "PROBE" into LA and his doping.

My point being that .........just because we know these facts which have been reported through the "fish hacks" might not come to anything....?????

We all have been witness to what happened a few Friday's ago.

You said earlier that a case might seem likely, but "may not happen".

Obviously USADA are seeking information - so obviously something is happening.
If the District Attorney decides to hand over that information is a separate argument.