US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[Velodude]

ignoring your first point as frankly Mas, it would be foolish not to...

to the bolded part......whoever said that really needs to do some checking cos Carmichael never trained Armstrong as a junior...as a junior LA was a triathlete and not a cyclist....and people here have claimed he was juicing from the age of 16...if you want to find who these "people" were, who made those claims, well, you have shown yourself more than capable of using the search function here.

Good to see you again, by the way.

Peace

Carmichael seems to be coach of Armstrong as a junior cyclist at 1990 World Junior Cycling (not Triathlon) Championships.

Armstrong competed in his first international race at the 1990 junior world cycling championships in Moscow, finishing 11th.

http://espn.go.com/espn/topics/_/page/lance-armstrong

The U.S. team coach, Chris Carmichael, recognized Armstrong's aggressive, headstrong nature and sought to rein it in and teach him the skills of international cycling competition. At the 1990 World Championships, his first race with the national team, Armstrong ignored Carmichael, ....

Read more: Lance Armstrong - Coach Tried To Rein Him In - Team, Race, World, and Tour - JRank Articles http://sports.jrank.org/pages/175/Armstrong-Lance-Coach-Tried-Rein-Him-In.html#ixzz1mlLVfGsD

 

[thehog]

Hog, you are by far the sanest person in this forum. The bad guys won. That's all there is to it.

SOS - same ol shisse

A little bit of shadenfreunde would be good with Lance!

The bad guys did win.

It will all come out in 10-15 years time when it doesn't matter a whole lot anymore.

Alas I'm not sure if there us any fulfilment in what Armstrong does. He can't possibly be personally satisfied with his life.

 

[straydog]

What was foolish was to make claims of what people said about Crawford - good idea to try and ignore it.


Nah - if you want to show who said he was 'juicing' since 16 thats on you.

Also - I never said Carmichael was his Armstrongs junior Coach - of course Carmichael wasn't Greg Strocks coach either...

oh dear sweet god mas...ok...I'm feeling charitable this once....please point out where I said people said anything about Crawford....

I think you'll find what I said was that people who claimed Armstrong was doped as a junior did so in part, even if they don't know it, because of the rumours that have hung around Crawford for many years...ok and that really is the last time Mas that I'll indulge your bent for pedantry and arguing pointlessly around the point.

And being completely pedantic myself now, I never said you said Carmichael was LA's coach as a junior....I merely responded to your assertion that people who said that LA was juiced as a junior only mentioned Carmichael....and that if they had.....they needed to check their facts...clear now?

Unlikely...and honestly Mas....if this sort of "argument" isn't boring you as much as it is me...well, then I give up.

Peace

 

[straydog]

Carmichael seems to be coach of Armstrong as a junior cyclist at 1990 World Junior Cycling (not Triathlon) Championships.

"junior" road racing, the worlds included, is open to any cyclist under the age of twenty three. Armstrong was asked to join the US development squad, after having competed professionally as a triathlete.... when he won the Senior Worlds at 21...he could have still been riding the "juniors"

I was referring to Armstrong as a junior under the age of 18....my bad.

oh god...someone give me a gun so I can end it all.....is this the only straw you are left clinging to....trying to argue semantics now that fish got away?

 

[patricknd]

Maybe it's time to change the title of this thread to "Football, and why you're an idiot with multiple bans and why your mom is a ******, so there".

That way everyone stays on topic.

it would certainly make it easier on me

 

[Dr. Maserati]

oh dear sweet god mas...ok...I'm feeling charitable this once....please point out where I said people said anything about Crawford....

I pointed out (I even highlighted it) your false claim that people say Crawford is some sort of "anti-doping advocate" ..... no-one did.

I think you'll find what I said was that people who claimed Armstrong was doped as a junior did so in part, even if they don't know it, because of the rumours that have hung around Crawford for many years...ok and that really is the last time Mas that I'll indulge your bent for pedantry and arguing pointlessly around the point.

"Arguing pointlessly around the point"??
Thats amusing, as you are the one who brought up Crawfords past and tried to suggest that posters (who you can't show) failed to see the irony..... in something that no-one claimed.

So, what point did I miss?

And being completely pedantic myself now, I never said you said Carmichael was LA's coach as a junior....I merely responded to your assertion that people who said that LA was juiced as a junior only mentioned Carmichael....and that if they had.....they needed to check their facts...clear now?

Unlikely...and honestly Mas....if this sort of "argument" isn't boring you as much as it is me...well, then I give up.

Peace

Your "argument" aren't boring - they are fabrications.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

"junior" road racing, the worlds included, is open to any cyclist under the age of twenty three. Armstrong was asked to join the US development squad, after having competed professionally as a triathlete.... when he won the Senior Worlds at 21...he could have still been riding the "juniors"

I was referring to Armstrong as a junior under the age of 18....my bad.

oh god...someone give me a gun so I can end it all.....is this the only straw you are left clinging to....trying to argue semantics now that fish got away?

So, you can be Junior up to under 23? So, what age can you be to ride Under 23s? ... 47?

As for arguing semantics - you were the one to respond about Crawford just because he made disparaging comments about Armstrong.

 

[Velodude]

"junior" road racing, the worlds included, is open to any cyclist under the age of twenty three. Armstrong was asked to join the US development squad, after having competed professionally as a triathlete.... when he won the Senior Worlds at 21...he could have still been riding the "juniors"

I was referring to Armstrong as a junior under the age of 18....my bad.

oh god...someone give me a gun so I can end it all.....is this the only straw you are left clinging to....trying to argue semantics now that fish got away?

Not your day is it?

Per wiki

The UCI Road World Championships, often referred to as the World Cycling Championships, is the annual world championship for bicycle road racing organized by the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI). The UCI Road World Championships include championships for elite men's road race and individual time trial. In addition, women's world championship events are held for the same events in the same manner ; under-23 world championship for cyclists under the age of 23 years old; junior world championships for cyclists under the age of 19 years old.

 

[mewmewmew13]

"junior" road racing, the worlds included, is open to any cyclist under the age of twenty three. Armstrong was asked to join the US development squad, after having competed professionally as a triathlete.... when he won the Senior Worlds at 21...he could have still been riding the "juniors"

I was referring to Armstrong as a junior under the age of 18....my bad.

oh god...someone give me a gun so I can end it all.....is this the only straw you are left clinging to....trying to argue semantics now that fish got away?

I'm guessing you are getting close to the end here anyway, but it's not all that bad....you can just get off your computer and walk away from the forum.
Peace

 

[Cobblestoned]

WTH are you talking about?

I respond to you posting something (a pasted youtube comment that makes zero sense along with some earth shattering news about the 2003 TdF) and you start sqealing about a ban.

If you cannot defend what you post and can't handle any criticism of it, stop posting.

Recently, I am praying that he would. And you are so patient, Chris.
Since he is pushing the fullretardpedal and postfrequenzy to the bottomplate in last days, all over the forum, I had to ban myself from posting for most of the time and just hugged my cats after reading.
His recent performance in the Whitney thread and those several Chewbacca defenses in the JU thread were really outstanding. Impressive. Godlike.

I am even thinking about emigrating again. Perhaps I should just change my nationality in User CP.
I am even more ashamed of him, than about our Bundespräsident a.d..

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

oh god...someone give me a gun so I can end it all.....is this the only straw you are left clinging to....trying to argue semantics now that fish got away?

Dude relax- come back when the USADA\WADA investigation comes out.

 

[straydog]

Not your day is it?

Per wiki

well...actually it is...it has been my day ever since no charges were brought

apologies for the U23 Development versus juniors mistake...and any confusion it may have caused you...it's late here and I've been on the beer....I take it on the chin...please enjoy it and I hope your "victory" in some small way compensates you for the grief you are so obviously still feeling.

ok....let me clarify...Armstrong did ride the junior worlds when he was 17 in 88 or 89 from memory....Carmichael was not his coach however as you stated...Carmichael was the coach of the US Development squad...(u23)...and coached Armstrong at the 1990 worlds as you correctly wikied....this was, however, the "senior" worlds and not the "juniors" as you said.

lesson to be learned....don't skim read wiki Velo

Peace

 

[straydog]

I'm guessing you are getting close to the end here anyway, but it's not all that bad....you can just get off your computer and walk away from the forum.
Peace

who said the gun was for me?

 

[Race Radio]

Thats silly. I like your posts but he looks anything but worried. You're just inciting innuendo and mysticism. Even a nutter like me can see that.

Nothing wrong with rumour but Andre moves with the stars and the elite. He's feeling very little heat at all - and thats the problem with his decision. He's walked away complexly unscathed without a scratch.

I was joking.....in fact now that I look at his picture he looks more constipated then worried.

Borat has nothing to fear.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

well...actually it is...it has been my day ever since no charges were brought

apologies for the U23 Development versus juniors mistake...and any confusion it may have caused you...it's late here and I've been on the beer....I take it on the chin...please enjoy it and I hope your "victory" in some small way compensates you for the grief you are so obviously still feeling.

ok....let me clarify...Armstrong did ride the junior worlds when he was 17 in 88 or 89 from memory....Carmichael was not his coach however as you stated...Carmichael was the coach of the US Development squad...(u23)...and coached Armstrong at the 1990 worlds as you correctly wikied....this was, however, the "senior" worlds.

lesson to be learned....don't skim read wiki.

Peace

It always amazes me how little Armstrong fans know about the guy, his career and the sport - I guess its easier to believe the myths.

who said the gun was for me?

Just as well - you don't want to shoot the other foot.

 

[straydog]

I was joking.....in fact now that I look at his picture he looks more constipated then worried.

Borat has nothing to fear.

ha ha....got to admit that made me laugh

 

[straydog]

It always amazes me how little Armstrong fans know about the guy, his career and the sport - I guess its easier to believe the myths.


Just as well - you don't want to shoot the other foot.

But apparently I am Armstrong...didn't you know?

Mas...you really make no sense at all...do you even know what you think you mean....anyways...and seriously...I aint playing with you anymore, it's boring. I know you think you sound real clever and intellectual, but honestly if my dog was awake I'd get more sense out of her.

So for the sake of anyone else unfortunate enough to be reading this thread at present...let's try and keep it on topic

did you guys hear Armstrong got off?

 

[Race Radio]

you could...but it wouldn't quite be true seeing as he didn't come out of nowhere....Rick was coaching him when he was national Sprint Triathlon Champion at the age of 19....it's kind of interesting to note that most people on here who claim LA was juiced as a junior do so in part because of the rumours surrounding Crawford as his coach, and yet they see no irony in quoting him as some kind of anti doping advocate now that he's "seen" the light. Funny how often that's happened....Floyd....lying doper to star "witness"....Tyler....er...lying doper (x2)...to star witness...Crawford...well...they were just rumours about the centrifuges...he has always maintained he used them with TD to collect "data" and not for anything whatsoever to do with....you know....doping.

Anyway...as you were...

Peace

p.s. how do I post a pic from my desk top not from a link?

I hardly see Rick as an anti doping hero. I posted the link largely because it was yet another former friend of Wonderboy who was telling the world what an Asshat fraud he is. Seems to be a pattern over the years

 

[Dr. Maserati]

But apparently I am Armstrong...didn't you know?

Mas...you really make no sense at all...do you even know what you think you mean....anyways...and seriously...I aint playing with you anymore, it's boring. I know you think you sound real clever and intellectual, but honestly if my dog was awake I'd get more sense out of her.

I certainly do not think I am clever or intelligent - although I do see why you may think that, but that is more a reflection on your arguments.

So for the sake of anyone else unfortunate enough to be reading this thread at present...let's try and keep it on topic

did you guys hear Armstrong got off?

Armstrong has not got off yet.

Funny thing is that when the Feds dropped the case it means LA avoided possible jail-time and/or big financial penalties, thats all.
The ones who would be really happy are Lances bagmen and mules- the people who set up the entreprise, they are in the clear.

 

[straydog]

I hardly see Rick as an anti doping hero. I posted the link largely because it was yet another former friend of Wonderboy who was telling the world what an Asshat fraud he is. Seems to be a pattern over the year

It certainly is a bit of a pattern. But it kind of rubs both ways doesn't it. I'ts always former friends. Isn't that what people do when they fall out? Slate each other? People who have fallen out of favour, or been sacked, or have had run ins. Listen, I certainly don't doubt the veracity of some of the things that have been said in terms of "preparation", and I have never said that I do, but I don't see them as turning the tide of opinion one way or another, frankly.

I think the people some would class as "haters" will see any statement by a "former" associate as evidence of his general ******baggery...and those who would be classed as "fanboys", just think "pah....another bitter ex friend/employee/team mate."

p.s...help me out here Race...how do I post a picture...beer and my general technical ineptitude are preventing setting the world alight with my epic fail shot.

Peace

 

[LarryBudMelman]

Not only that, as was posted upthread the in the latest advertisement the new MSNBC sports channel has images of LA baldheaded with scars spinning on his bike, then winning the TdF.

Its doubtful that MSNBC and CN hang on the every word of somebody named "crawfish" on twitter and the ramblings in here.

Did you see Hank Aaron rounding the bases between 2nd and 3rd when he hit #715 and those jacka$ses slapping him on his back. Hank was real PO'd about that, but in the commercial they have some inane comment about 'sports bringing us together' or something like that.

It's just completely off from what really happened and Aaron's reaction to it. The creator/editor of that commercial is an imbecile....

 

[Velodude]

well...actually it is...it has been my day ever since no charges were brought

apologies for the U23 Development versus juniors mistake...and any confusion it may have caused you...it's late here and I've been on the beer....I take it on the chin...please enjoy it and I hope your "victory" in some small way compensates you for the grief you are so obviously still feeling.

ok....let me clarify...Armstrong did ride the junior worlds when he was 17 in 88 or 89 from memory....Carmichael was not his coach however as you stated...Carmichael was the coach of the US Development squad...(u23)...and coached Armstrong at the 1990 worlds as you correctly wikied....this was, however, the "senior" worlds.

lesson to be learned....don't skim read wiki.
Peace

Lesson to be learned - don't skim read other posters' contributions. Read my post (2077) carefully. The references linked are not Wiki.

Armstrong was born 1971. In 1990 worlds he was still a junior at the tender age of 18 (race was held 16 days before Armstrong's 19th birthday).

If you can count backwards on your fingers you can verify as in 1993 he won the senior worlds at 21 just on the cusp of his 22nd birthday.

Don't volunteer your services as a researcher to support Armstrong in his other upcoming skirmishes

 

[straydog]

I certainly do not think I am clever or intelligent ....


Armstrong has not got off yet.

Funny thing is that when the Feds dropped the case it means LA avoided possible jail-time and/or big financial penalties, thats all.

See I'd equate a case being dropped, and avoiding jail time and financial penalties with "getting off"...but hey ...I'm drunker than Floyd right now so what would I know....although I suspect you are drunker

 

[Mambo95]

Hello my little chums.

Some time ago I was denounced for predicting that the Novitzky investigation would come to nothing after the Bonds case came to little. I was right.

Now I will state that the USADA case will come to nothing as they will have little appetite for spending a lot of money trying to prosecute someone from many years ago without a 'smoking gun'.

If I'm right. What then for you all?

Will you actually watch some cycling? My recommendation. Some of it is rather good.
Will you find evidence that Armstrong has an unpaid parking ticket and flog that particular horse for a year.
Find some other 'cause' to relentlessly bang on about. (There's some moon conspiracy theorists who also think Armstrong is a fake.)

 

[LarryBudMelman]

Lesson to be learned - don't skim read other posters' contributions. Read my post (2077) carefully. The references linked are not Wiki.

Armstrong was born 1971. In 1990 worlds he was still a junior at the tender age of 18 (race was held 16 days before Armstrong's 19th birthday).

If you can count backwards on your fingers you can verify as in 1993 he won the senior worlds at 21 just on the cusp of his 22nd birthday.

Don't volunteer your services as a researcher to support Armstrong in his other upcoming skirmishes

But I think he is right in that Armstrong utilized "laser" like focus, and high cadence. He also trained harder than his opposition, and weighed his food in addition to using the best equipment.

The hatah's like to neglect those facts.