US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[Dr. Maserati]

You have personally abused me though. It's now deleted. You tried to pass it off as humour as though we knew each other.

So, I didn't call you a fanboy. Thanks
I doubt I have personally abused you - if I have then why did you not bring it up at the time? Todays decision would not change that.

You tried to score a cheap shot - and missed.

A few years ago you used to be a good interesting poster, but in the last 18 months you've become a twisted, obsessed, abusive one-issue campaigner, intolerant to anything contrary. And you lost. You have a lot to reflect on.

One issue campaigner?? I think you need to get out and have a look at more different threads than this. I have been consistent throughout.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Hahhahhahhahha! What a JOKE!

Now, how about I close all the LA threads, and we talk about what's happening in cycling today, with people actually doing something important in the sport, like actually racing, and promoting it, and cleaning it up?

How to clean up when the young see that cheating prevails?

Thus, the Armstrong investigations shall never stop. We had no hope before Landis spoke. So who knows what lays in the future. I think he will fall one day. I am 100% sure.

 

[doolols]

Well done to Novinsky proving that Lance didnt dope and he is one of the greatest cyclists of all time.

Hahahahahaha - either you're a troll, or you're just a little deluded. This doesn't 'prove' anything. Until (and if ever) we find out why the case was closed, we'll be able to understand a little better. But, for now, it's a disappointment, sure. But very little has changed, really.

 

[HL2037]

Yup, he is Triathlons' problem now

And the state of Texas's

 

[Neworld]

I Bet Ullrich is glad he didn't confess after all!!

I still hope Ullrich tells all.

This release reinforces how I need to tell my children 'that life can be so very unfair and they need to deal with confusing and bizarre outcomes. That there are sad, really sad, people in the world and some of the them are very powerful."

What a missed opportunity. What a insult to justice.

I wonder if CN can interview the top 20 GT contenders and ask for their comments on this decision?

NW

 

[The Plediadian]

I'm not surprised Armstrong wasn't indicted, even though he was guilty of doping, bribing the UCI and plenty of other things. I don't hate Armstrong but I was hoping he would pay for his crimes because I do HATE cheats and liars and bullies. I'm trying to seperate his actions in the corrupt world of sport from what good he does for cancer survivors.

I wouldn't want to be him even with all his money, power and influence. If I did what he did, I couldn't sleep at night. But then again, some people have no conscience or remorse.

When I heard the news all I could think of was the Leonard Cohen song, "Everybody Knows"

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8QM3tjkTE

Is that from Macabe and Mrs, Miller.

Some of us like Lance and love cycling, just sayin.

 

[lostintime]

Hahhahhahhahha! What a JOKE!

Now, how about I close all the LA threads, and we talk about what's happening in cycling today, with people actually doing something important in the sport, like actually racing, and promoting it, and cleaning it up?

best reply yet

 

[hrotha]

I wonder if CN can interview the top 20 GT contenders and ask for their comments on this decision?

Why? You aren't ****ed off enough as it is?

 

[barn yard]

nuclear meltdown in the clinic in 5...4...3...

 

[stephens]

Two years of RR, Hog, Maserati, Python, brodeal and their inside information and Novitsky worship comes to naught.

Not only that, but years of them insulting people like me, calling me a fanboy or doping apologist and all kinds of stuff just because I dared to care about the fairness of proceedings, and implying (or worse) that I was either crazy or mentally challenged for suggesting that Novitsky's methods won't succeed against someone with Armstrong's savvy and resources, especially since he has the benefit of already knowing Novitsky's tactics from past cases.

For the record, I'm still against doping in sports. But I still believe it is something that should be handled by the sporting bodies, and not governments. I still believe the athletes should be in charge of the system and should decide themselves what substances/methods they want to prohibit, and the level of privacy invasion they are willing to tolerate to enforce those prohibitions. The businessmen who profit off the efforts of these athletes should not be in charge of this stuff. I still believe that "proof" is either a non-coerced admission or a positive test result and that all else is unfair speculation. The sporting bodies need to win the doping battle and promote the fairness of their sport with medical science, not law enforcement investigations/surveillance and coercion of "witnesses".

Carry on. Let's learn how to use medical science to outsmart cheaters and/or maintain the health of the athletes.

 

[The Hitch]

I'm not surprised Armstrong wasn't indicted, even though he was guilty of doping, bribing the UCI and plenty of other things. I don't hate Armstrong but I was hoping he would pay for his crimes because I do HATE cheats and liars and bullies. I'm trying to seperate his actions in the corrupt world of sport from what good he does for cancer survivors.

I wouldn't want to be him even with all his money, power and influence. If I did what he did, I couldn't sleep at night. But then again, some people have no conscience or remorse.

When I heard the news all I could think of was the Leonard Cohen song, "Everybody Knows"

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8QM3tjkTE

Nicely done bringing Cohen into this

 

[LanceInMyPants]

Is that from Macabe and Mrs, Miller.

Some of us like Lance and love cycling, just sayin.

I'm just old fashioned because I love "clean" competition which is totally out of touch with the way things are. I'm a bit of a dinosaur.

Mccabe and Mrs Miller was a Robert Altman flick. Good movie. Cohen did some of the music.

 

[blutto]

True, the Grand Jury did not rule and as much as people like to say Novitzky is all powerfull he had no input. This came from the top

My most heart felt condolences.

Your super duper special little friend

blutto

 

[doolols]

Now here's a conspiracy theory:

Maybe the GJ knew early on that getting enough solid evidence to indict was going to be difficult, but they carried on anyway, with USADA sitting alongside, saying "can I have a copy of that, please?"

Maybe not enough evidence to take to a court on federal charges without a "he said ... I said" situation developing. But surely there must be enough evidence now to bring him up on doping and related charges?

 

[hughmoore]

Hahahahahaha - either you're a troll, or you're just a little deluded. This doesn't 'prove' anything. Until (and if ever) we find out why the case was closed, we'll be able to understand a little better. But, for now, it's a disappointment, sure. But very little has changed, really.

Im a fanboy, Novinsky is my new hero, he has proven was Lance has said all along, that he is not guilty of anything other than being one of the greatest cyclists.

Do you think Jeff will do autographs, rumour is, he is waiting until after the superbowl.

Well done Jeff, go Lance.

Regards


Non Hater (Other than Shreks )

 

[eleven]

Time for us haters to eat crow.

I admit defeat. My time here in the Clinic has been for naught.

I hang my head in shame, and must give Polish and the others props for their take on the situation.

The only way this could get worse is if the Giants lose on Sunday and Contador gets banned, including past winnings stripped.

That will be the trifecta to end all miserable trifectas.

The Giants don't stand a chance! Otherwise, an interesting post.

 

[eleven]

True, the Grand Jury did not rule and as much as people like to say Novitzky is all powerfull he had no input. This came from the top

Can you give us one reason to believe this?

 

[HL2037]

I'm not surprised Armstrong wasn't indicted, even though he was guilty of doping, bribing the UCI and plenty of other things. I don't hate Armstrong but I was hoping he would pay for his crimes because I do HATE cheats and liars and bullies. I'm trying to seperate his actions in the corrupt world of sport from what good he does for cancer survivors.

I wouldn't want to be him even with all his money, power and influence. If I did what he did, I couldn't sleep at night. But then again, some people have no conscience or remorse.

When I heard the news all I could think of was the Leonard Cohen song, "Everybody Knows"

I thought of "The Present Crisis":

Once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide,
In the strife of Truth with Falsehood, for the good or evil side;
Some great cause, God's new Messiah, offering each the bloom or blight,
Parts the goats upon the left hand, and the sheep upon the right,
And the choice goes by forever 'twixt that darkness and that light.

Hast thou chosen, O my people, on whose party thou shalt stand,
Ere the Doom from its worn sandals shakes the dust against our land?
Though the cause of Evil prosper, yet 'tis Truth alone is strong,
And, albeit she wander outcast now, I see around her throng
Troops of beautiful, tall angels, to enshield her from all wrong.

http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/7194/

 

[spetsa]

I guess this means that some individuals should worry. Let's see if Lance has the b*lls to take the same route and subject himself to discovery. My bet is no. Inaction can speak volumes.


http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/7533807/phil-mickelson-files-lawsuit-find-source-defamation

 

[Mambo95]

I doubt I have personally abused you - if I have then why did you not bring it up at the time?

Here's you're original post: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=745590&postcount=8819
Here's my response and your counter response: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=745609&postcount=8831
You tried to pass it off as 'wit' as though you knew me and had the right. Even John Terry hasn't tried that lame excuse.

I brought it up and referred it to mods.

You seemed to go for the personal abuse there (ironically in a debate where I was suggesting that the Novistsky would go nowhere).

I don't care about Armstrong either way. But I'm loving seeing the likes of you in despair.

 

[eleven]

Now, how about I close all the LA threads, and we talk about what's happening in cycling today, with people actually doing something important in the sport, like actually racing, and promoting it, and cleaning it up?

That's a great point. There actually IS a great sport happening outside of doping investigations. It's like the old hockey adage about going to a fight...

 

[leftover pie]

lololol!

9, 10

 

[Race Radio]

You seemed to go for the personal abuse there (ironically in a debate where I was suggesting that the Novistsky would go nowhere).

I don't care about Armstrong either way. But I'm loving seeing the likes of you in despair.

So much hate. Guess you will not be joining Polish, Flicker and I for our weekly rides.

 

[Stingray34]

I guess this means that some individuals should worry. Let's see if Lance has the b*lls to take the same route and subject himself to discovery. My bet is no. Inaction can speak volumes.


http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/7533807/phil-mickelson-files-lawsuit-find-source-defamation

Lance may be emboldened now, but I doubt his very-expensively hired help would be the same. Discovery is what he's been wishing to avoid and he's got that wish now.

I think Lance is largely in the clear. I'm not going to countenance the idea that today's announcement is the Battle of the Bulge in the context of a larger war - a major victory in a fight destined to be lost. I fully expect USADA to be toothless.

When's Pat gonna weigh in? I think he's the most hubristic. Really wanna hear from Greg, Floyd, Tyler (beyond his removed tweet), Emma, Kimmage, Walsh et al.

To say the money and power got him off sounds like sour grapes - not saying it isn't true, but it will certainly sound that way.

I'm not overly disappointed lance has gotten off - rich, powerful popular people tend to get their way, so nothing new there. The worst part in this major setback is that cycling has lost a golden chance to clean itself up. Pat will reign for many years to come, and Johan will be DS to many more Tour winners. meh.

 

[Oldman]

I guess this means that some individuals should worry. Let's see if Lance has the b*lls to take the same route and subject himself to discovery. My bet is no. Inaction can speak volumes.


http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/7533807/phil-mickelson-files-lawsuit-find-source-defamation

Lance has cleared a grove of trees but he's not out of the woods. The GJ dropped the USPS criminal case but there's USADA, the IRS and a some potentially expensive civil action that could come from them. I still feel strongly that this investigation is more about the sources of counterfeit/illegal drugs and their international distribution networks than about Lance.

The satisfaction of having his true character and past being exposed by former teammates can console some but true justice would never occur until USAC is forced to come to terms. Weisel and Co escaping consequences would be truly wrong. Lance was and still is their Tool.