US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[LarryBudMelman]

Tan is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He seems to think that everyone spoke to the Grand Jury, he even makes that mistake with Betsy. He is wrong.

Funny how all these claims of leaks but so far nobody has provided an example of one. Armstrong filed a complaint months ago, the FBI investigated, and found nothing.

Funny how it Armstrong's press releases seldom result in anything

Tan is wrong and the 126 "extreme haters" who signed the petition know it

I disagree that LA's press releases seldom result in anything.

His press releases result in the conventional wisdom that there have been unfair leaks and that the government conducted a witch hunt against him.

Even though they are complete lies, they are very effective with flag waving, "patriotic Americans."

Even this imbecile Tan is writing this garbage.

The conventional wisdom is that you, me, and Betsy are haters.

http://ideas.time.com/2012/02/06/why-the-wheels-came-off-the-lance-armstrong-case/

This ****** is the assistant managing editor of time magazine. Guy is supposed to be a journalist.

Jeez, Time's coverage of Warren Buffet had him being called a radical.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2104309,00.html

Warren Buffett Is on a Radical Track

The country has collectively lost it's mind....

 

[LarryBudMelman]

I never consider myself conventional, but whatever.

Oh, you're "conventional."

 

[Spider1964]

Bit of useless trivia

Spider1964 is from "God's own country".

By the spelling of "foetal" it is not the US.

Thank you Velodude.. For someone who gets called Captain Spellcheck here at work, to be called out on spelling is galling. I was just about to jump on the Oldman like a seagull on a hot chip.

My "God's own country" is not the US of A

 

[Cal_Joe]

Tan is wrong... <snipped for brevity>

Well, both you and Race Radio have said "Tan is wrong". If your comment concerns his statement about "I have seen and read testimony..." could you (or RR) enlighten us on exactly what is "wrong" about that statement? What information do you have that the statement is "wrong" ? If you are indicating that his claim is false, do you have Fed sources that you can share with us?

 

[Cal_Joe]

Velonews article updated - "disposed" has been changed to "deposed" - possibly Mr. Tan reads the Clinic.

Interesting to note that his statement "I have seen and read testimony..." has not been changed.

 

[ChrisE]

Well, both you and Race Radio have said "Tan is wrong". If your comment concerns his statement about "I have seen and read testimony..." could you (or RR) enlighten us on exactly what is "wrong" about that statement? What information do you have that the statement is "wrong" ? If you are indicating that his claim is false, do you have Fed sources that you can share with us?

Why Betsy says it is wrong, of course.

I really wish we had some of those vomit emoticons here.

 

[cathulu]

Velonews article updated - "disposed" has been changed to "deposed" - possibly Mr. Tan reads the Clinic.

Interesting to note that his statement "I have seen and read testimony..." has not been changed.

Tan is a tool by the sounds of things. OK Tan, tell us all about this testimony you read... I guarantee there will be silence.

 

[stephens]

There should be silence. It is what is appropriate in *any* case where the accused is not convicted.

Regardless of how loathsome we may find Armstrong's behavior, we shouldn't allow it to push us to violate the entire basis of our criminal justice system.

 

[Velodude]

Well, both you and Race Radio have said "Tan is wrong". If your comment concerns his statement about "I have seen and read testimony..." could you (or RR) enlighten us on exactly what is "wrong" about that statement? What information do you have that the statement is "wrong" ? If you are indicating that his claim is false, do you have Fed sources that you can share with us?

If you have seen and read "testimony" from the Federal Grand Jury then you must be privy to the transcripts. Testimony is evidence, oral or written given under oath.

If you were in the Grand Jury room you would have heard testimony.

None of the above could be possible because of the secrecy of GJ proceedings.

However, if a GJ witness outside the GJ room informed the media of the evidence they gave and this was included in a written article this would be a "seeing and reading" of the witness' account of the evidence given but, as not under oath, not the testimony.

 

[Cal_Joe]

If you have seen and read "testimony" from the Federal Grand Jury then you must be privy to the transcripts. Testimony is evidence, oral or written given under oath.

If you were in the Grand Jury room you would have heard testimony.

None of the above could be possible because of the secrecy of GJ proceedings.

However, if a GJ witness outside the GJ room informed the media of the evidence they gave and this was included in a written article this would be a "seeing and reading" of the witness' account of the evidence given but, as not under oath, not the testimony.

Totally agreed except for "should not be possible" in place of your "could not be possible". Never rule anything out.

Mr. Tan did not say he was seeing and reading a witness account - he stated that he was disputing Betsy's statement regarding leaks because he had seen and read testimony.

I think more clarification from Mr. Tan is needed. Then again, it would not surprise me if the article was re-revised to exclude his statements about testimony. I do not think he realized what pot of hot water he was diving into.

 

[thehog]

There should be silence. It is what is appropriate in *any* case where the accused is not convicted.

Regardless of how loathsome we may find Armstrong's behavior, we shouldn't allow it to push us to violate the entire basis of our criminal justice system.

I'm with you. No way we want violate the criminal justice system. That would be terrible. Imagine that. Like it would he so bad if the justice system was violated by a bunch of cyclists riding in some race year ago in Europe.

 

[Race Radio]

Well, both you and Race Radio have said "Tan is wrong". If your comment concerns his statement about "I have seen and read testimony..." could you (or RR) enlighten us on exactly what is "wrong" about that statement? What information do you have that the statement is "wrong" ? If you are indicating that his claim is false, do you have Fed sources that you can share with us?

Grand Jury Testimony is sealed. Even in Armstrong's complaint he sited nothing that could be traced to a Grand Jury leak. If Tan did indeed read leaked testimony it is a huge deal. Troy Ellerman was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison for leaking the Grand Jury transcripts in the BALCO case.

There is nothing to support Tan's claim, and he offers nothing to support it. With such a huge claim evidence would be good. I call FOS

 

[Race Radio]

There should be silence. It is what is appropriate in *any* case where the accused is not convicted.

Regardless of how loathsome we may find Armstrong's behavior, we shouldn't allow it to push us to violate the entire basis of our criminal justice system.

Equally loathsome would be to accuse investigators, prosecutors, and staff of malfeasance in an attempt to intimidate them and hinder their ability to do their job.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

Why Betsy says it is wrong, of course.

I really wish we had some of those vomit emoticons here.

Ok, what were the leaks?

 

[Cal_Joe]

Grand Jury Testimony is sealed. Even in Armstrong's complaint he sited nothing that could be traced to a Grand Jury leak. If Tan did indeed read leaked testimony it is a huge deal. Troy Ellerman was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison for leaking the Grand Jury transcripts in the BALCO case.

There is nothing to support Tan's claim, and he offers nothing to support it. With such a huge claim evidence would be good. I call FOS

Asking for clarification is something I have also done. It would be interesting to see some. Still puzzled on why he is "wrong".

Also, did you find the link regarding the FBI announcing there were no leaks? That would be helpful also.

 

[MarkvW]

Equally loathsome would be to accuse investigators, prosecutors, and staff of malfeasance in an attempt to intimidate them and hinder their ability to do their job.

The irony in that statement blows me away! The extreme hater's petition is an attempt to do just that. Read the thing: "Overwhelming evidence... appearance of tacit collusion . . . appearance of impropriety. . ." all in an attempt to pressure the United States into taking action against Lance Armstrong.

 

[Race Radio]

The irony in that statement blows me away! The extreme hater's petition is an attempt to do just that. Read the thing: "Overwhelming evidence... appearance of tacit collusion . . . appearance of impropriety. . ." all in an attempt to pressure the United States into taking action against Lance Armstrong.

Even you can understand the difference.

Multiple direct witnesses in one case......no supporting evidence in the other. Simple

 

[LarryBudMelman]

The irony in that statement blows me away! The extreme hater's petition is an attempt to do just that. Read the thing: "Overwhelming evidence... appearance of tacit collusion . . . appearance of impropriety. . ." all in an attempt to pressure the United States into taking action against Lance Armstrong.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...tion-dropped-but-the-witch-hunt-aint-over-yet

 

[Race Radio]

Asking for clarification is something I have also done. It would be interesting to see some. Still puzzled on why he is "wrong".

Also, did you find the link regarding the FBI announcing there were no leaks? That would be helpful also.

I agree, it is puzzling that Tan would make a claim and make no attempt to support it.

Let me know when the FBI files those charges in the leak case, that should be a good idea for a thread!

 

[Cal_Joe]

I agree, it is puzzling that Tan would make a claim and make no attempt to support it.

Let me know when the FBI files those charges in the leak case, that should be a good idea for a thread!

(In my best Dr. M voice) I asked you to provide links to your claim about the FBI finding nothing regarding leaks. I would be very disappointed if this was an unsubstantiated claim. Can you provide links? If not, just say so and stop dancing around the issue.

 

[Race Radio]

(In my best Dr. M voice) I asked you to provide links to your claim about the FBI finding nothing regarding leaks. I would be very disappointed if this was an unsubstantiated claim. Can you provide links? If not, just say so and stop dancing around the issue.

Could you provide links of leaks? that don't originate from Fabiani or course.

Thanks

 

[eleven]

Equally loathsome would be to accuse investigators, prosecutors, and staff of malfeasance in an attempt to intimidate them and hinder their ability to do their job.

That comment is awfully rich, RR.

You'd never accuse, say, a US Attorney of such. right? amiright?

 

[Cal_Joe]

Could you provide links of leaks? that don't originate from Fabiani or course.

Thanks

Excellent! Best dancing this week. Anytime you actually want to address and discuss your claims and facts, let me know.

Do I really have to drag Dr. M into this to brutally interrogate you? It could get ugly. Nobody expects (or likes) The Spanish Inquisition.

 

[Race Radio]

Excellent! Best dancing this week. Anytime you actually want to address and discuss your claims and facts, let me know.

Do I really have to drag Dr. M into this to brutally interrogate you? It could get ugly. Nobody expects (or likes) The Spanish Inquisition.

So you don't have any evidence of leaks?

Sounds like we agree!

 

[Race Radio]

That comment is awfully rich, RR.

You'd never accuse, say, a US Attorney of such. right? amiright?

I have seen no evidence of such, but Wonderboy has a long history of it