US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[Semper Fidelis]

Things are getting spooky around here.

People moving to New Mexico? on the old mexico trail?

 

[Cal_Joe]

The 'hit-and-run' style of posting that some have on here reminds me of a small child that sticks his tongue out and then quickly slams the door.

Also, there is a lot of phony knowledge and 'expert' opinions and most here have learned who backs it up and who is just enjoying the 'game'.

No matter what he may say Lance is not having a peaceful phase of his life right now. I see that George indicated that when things get tense so does Mr Armstrong...no time to relax. ...need to control.

Hit and run posters - I totally agree. I get disgusted when they do not contribute to a thread at least once a day. I also get disgusted at apologists for those posters. Those apologists always try to twist the facts about Clinic threads - they say that sane people have fled the Clinic because it is always the same groups arguing over different speculative stances that have not changed in years.

I say the apologists should be banned.

Regarding the "phony knowledge and 'expert' opinions" - those same apologists have dared to state that 99.923% of the expert opinions and predictions based on super secret insider knowledge in the old LA threads did not pan out.

I call BS on those people. Interwebs statistics prove that only 98.976% of those posts were laughable.

I say those people should be banned. 98.976% is nowhere near 99.923%.

I think you are on the right track. If I am reading your post correctly, you would like to have posts backed up with facts and links (not the bogus links some posters provide that have nothing to do with the post).

I am sorry to hear that Lance is not having a peaceful phase of his life. When you next talk to him (I am assuming you talk with him based on your post and insider knowledge about his state of mind), please update us on his condition.

I would like to apologize in advance if my daily post count places me in the drive by poster category.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

I'm with you. They've all moved on and the evidence has been sealed and stuck in a box labelled "do not open". That box is sitting in a warehouse in Delaware never to be found.

The U turn to drop the case means they don't want any of it seeing the light of day. If there's some juicy stuff in there then they're not going to pass it off to USADA for the press to later ridicule them for dropping the investigation.

Unfortunately for them, it's all going to come out whether they like it or not.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Unfortunately for them, it's all going to come out whether they like it or not.

I hear ya LBM. They might not like it but tomorrow is a new day for them!

 

[LarryBudMelman]

I hear ya LBM. They might not like it but tomorrow is a new day for them!

True, I think their criminal mindset is to be in the moment, and every day out of prison is a good day. That's the difference between them and those with a more normal morality. They just get away with anything they can get away with, and make others stop them, while upstanding citizens hold themselves in check.

 

[Cal_Joe]

True, I think their criminal mindset is to be in the moment, and every day out of prison is a good day. That's the difference between them and those with a more normal morality. They just get away with anything they can get away with, and make others stop them, while upstanding citizens hold themselves in check.

Excellent post Larry. Reminds me of one of those old Little Rascals shorts where those kids (Alfalfa, Spanky, and some other kid with wild curly hair) were impudently thumbing their noses at authority. ****ed me off.

 

[Race Radio]

Hit and run posters - I totally agree. I get disgusted when they do not contribute to a thread at least once a day. I also get disgusted at apologists for those posters. Those apologists always try to twist the facts about Clinic threads - they say that sane people have fled the Clinic because it is always the same groups arguing over different speculative stances that have not changed in years.

I say the apologists should be banned.

Regarding the "phony knowledge and 'expert' opinions" - those same apologists have dared to state that 99.923% of the expert opinions and predictions based on super secret insider knowledge in the old LA threads did not pan out.

I call BS on those people. Interwebs statistics prove that only 98.976% of those posts were laughable.

I say those people should be banned. 98.976% is nowhere near 99.923%.

I think you are on the right track. If I am reading your post correctly, you would like to have posts backed up with facts and links (not the bogus links some posters provide that have nothing to do with the post).

I am sorry to hear that Lance is not having a peaceful phase of his life. When you next talk to him (I am assuming you talk with him based on your post and insider knowledge about his state of mind), please update us on his condition.

I would like to apologize in advance if my daily post count places me in the drive by poster category.

Enjoy it while you can Joe.

You are welcome to pretend that Borat ignoring the investigators and prosecutors and dropping the case suddenly renders everyone who questioned the myth a fool but we both know that is not true. We both know that over the past 18 months we have all learned how false the myth is.

If it helps you maintain hope then by all means continue to pretend all is good and lash out at those who dared questioned your hero.

 

[Velodude]

In my opinion the Fed's do not give a rats *** if the USA gets future Olympic Games. They will do what they want ........"they" have already proved that with their "Friday" come lately anouncement of dropping the case.
Sure hope no one is hanging a hat on that treaty to make the Fed's hand over evidence to USADA. IF the Fed's turn over evidence then it will be cause the Fed's want to do it. In my opinion no doubt but please feel free to google away.

You really believe that for the protection of one aging athlete in a non mainstream sport the US would risk international condemnation and ridicule by not complying with international convention Articles?

You forgot to include by not complying with the Articles that US athletes may be excluded from international competition.

Political connections that Armstrong has used on the Feds have no application to USADA and WADA as those bodies have been deliberately formed to be free from political tinkering.

I think you are over rating your fellow Texan's influence this time with independent anti doping investigations free from tampering by the UCI.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Enjoy it while you can Joe.

You are welcome to pretend that Borat ignoring the investigators and prosecutors and dropping the case suddenly renders everyone who questioned the myth a fool but we both know that is not true. We both know that over the past 18 months we have all learned how false the myth is.

If it helps you maintain hope then by all means continue to pretend all is good and lash out at those who dared questioned your hero.

Again, you are responding to a post by making bogus assumptions about what my conclusions regarding LA are; not addressing the post but furthering your assumptions about a poster, fabricating things about "pretending" that were not in my post, etc., etc.

I am curious if you can actually respond to a post without making stuff up. Good gosh, man - even TheHog stopped making stuff up.

Edited to add your using the name Borat - same old stuff from you. No logic? No facts? - call people names. Just another RR fail.

 

[Race Radio]

Again, you are responding to a post by making bogus assumptions about what my conclusions regarding LA are; not addressing the post but furthering your assumptions about a poster, fabricating things about "pretending" that were not in my post, etc., etc.

I am curious if you can actually respond to a post without making stuff up. Good gosh, man - even TheHog stopped making stuff up.

Edited to add your using the name Borat - same old stuff from you. No logic? No facts? - call people names. Just another RR fail.

Calm down Joe. I did not make anything up or insult you.

There has been plenty of legitimate information shared in this forum. A few trolls and Borat ignoring investigators does not change that.

 

[thehog]

Again, you are responding to a post by making bogus assumptions about what my conclusions regarding LA are; not addressing the post but furthering your assumptions about a poster, fabricating things about "pretending" that were not in my post, etc., etc.

I am curious if you can actually respond to a post without making stuff up. Good gosh, man - even TheHog stopped making stuff up.

Edited to add your using the name Borat - same old stuff from you. No logic? No facts? - call people names. Just another RR fail.

You came back????!!!

I remember you. You stopped posting once I sent you on you way to "find the truth" - did you find it?

Once the case was dropped you return as if its some form of victory? Did it resolve anything for you?

Beating up on guys in the Clinic as if Armstrong won is a waste of time. You can't possibly feel good about the case being dropped because of the money spent the pressure applied. Seriously is that what makes you feel good?

For me I never made anything up. Yes Mr. Armstrong won. But its people like McIlvain I feel sorry for. She was getting drunk alone leaving messages on Betsy's answering machine about smashing her head in with a baseball bat. My sources say she was looking forward to it all coming out in the open so she could set herself free. Now she has to live her life as before - compromised.

If thats a the victory you wanted then thats what you got. One free man and countless victims.

Life.

 

[Cloxxki]

Hog, if I understand correctly, McIlvain is free to share her testimony with the general public and press. If she's in a hurry to get it off her back. She needs to drag it out though, wait until she really HAS to admit the most recent version of her truth, as time is money for her and her little sports shades world.

Truth vs. money. Again, and again...

 

[thehog]

Hog, if I understand correctly, McIlvain is free to share her testimony with the general public and press. If she's in a hurry to get it off her back. She needs to drag it out though, wait until she really HAS to admit the most recent version of her truth, as time is money for her and her little sports shades world.

Truth vs. money. Again, and again...

She has to do nothing of the sort. She needs to talk to no one in the press. The last thing she needs is a public outpouring. The women needs protection. She has so much invested in the Armstrong lie she needs help getting herself out of it. Yes most her own doing but you know she had her reasons and most of her own reasons a admirable.

Maybe you're right. Maybe now's the time but I doubt it. She'd get labelled a nutcase for changing her story like Tyler and Floyd.

Its such a sad story. Health to her.

 

[Cloxxki]

She has to do nothing of the sort. She needs to talk to no one in the press. The last thing she needs is a public outpouring. The women needs protection. She has so much invested in the Armstrong lie she needs help getting herself out of it. Yes most her own doing but you know she had her reasons and most of her own reasons a admirable.

Maybe you're right. Maybe now's the time but I doubt it. She'd get labelled a nutcase for changing her story like Tyler and Floyd.

Its such a sad story. Health to her.

I think she's just sitting this one out. Perhaps she'll never be formally asked about it again, the case may be fully shelved, and she can keep putting yellow glasses on Lance's friendly face.
Lance will play the game even with Frankie, why not her. As long as it's not official that they "made up stories" about him, it's all fine. His witness tampering effects wore off from her after some years, her GJ perportedly interrogation took 7 hours, what can a man do? It's actually a mouth that fed and still feeds him. No-one is in a rush to make a big scene. Money over truth, I'm telling you.

 

[aphronesis]

this is melodramatic. do you know her personally? can you gauge her "investment"? it is over. walk away.

She has to do nothing of the sort. She needs to talk to no one in the press. The last thing she needs is a public outpouring. The women needs protection. She has so much invested in the Armstrong lie she needs help getting herself out of it. Yes most her own doing but you know she had her reasons and most of her own reasons a admirable.

Maybe you're right. Maybe now's the time but I doubt it. She'd get labelled a nutcase for changing her story like Tyler and Floyd.

Its such a sad story. Health to her.

 

[thehog]

this is melodramatic. do you know her personally? can you gauge her "investment"? it is over. walk away.

Do you know her?

Alas one can't walk away from ones own consciousness.

The toll has been great.

It's over for some but not all.

 

[aphronesis]

no, i don't. but you didn't answer the question. if you do, you're being exploitative; if you don't, you're saying nothing.

 

[Race Radio]

Steve Tilford has been around the sport for decades. His blog is always a good read

http://stevetilford.com/?p=18113

 

[Dr. Maserati]

this is melodramatic. do you know her personally? can you gauge her "investment"? it is over. walk away.

Do you have to know someone personally before you can "gauge' something?

The Hogs analysis seems quite correct if you know about her situation and have taken the time to listen to her comments to LeMond, to Andreu and having to be brought in front of a GJ for 7 hours.

 

[aphronesis]

like clockwork. the stalwarts.

anyway....

one's psychic investment? gauge? yes. otherwise you' re projecting. in a temporal void. hog didn't provide an analysis. he made an assertion. that is, also, not an argument.

refresh me, it should be thrilling. what exactly is her situation in late february 2012?




QUOTE=Dr. Maserati;796687]Do you have to know someone personally before you can "gauge' something?

The Hogs analysis seems quite correct if you know about her situation and have taken the time to listen to her comments to LeMond, to Andreu and having to be brought in front of a GJ for 7 hours.[/QUOTE]

 

[ChrisE]

Steve Tilford has been around the sport for decades. His blog is always a good read

http://stevetilford.com/?p=18113

Yeah, he had never heard of that PM exchange while being around the sport for decades.

Maybe he should research some of the things mentioned within it, and wash it thru the BS filter to enhance his knowledge.

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah, he had never heard of that PM exchange while being around the sport for decades.

Maybe he should research some of the things mentioned within it, and wash it thru the BS filter to enhance his knowledge.

You sound upset that not too many people are accepting the Feds case got dropped, in fact it seems more and more people are picking up on the idea that there is no way Armstrong was clean.

It isn't supposed to be this way, the feds dropped the case, so Armstrong did it clean, why can these people not get along with the program.

Reality check. It's as obvious as night following day that Armstrong doped.

 

[aphronesis]

You sound upset that not too many people are accepting the Feds case got dropped, in fact it seems more and more people are picking up on the idea that there is no way Armstrong was clean.

It isn't supposed to be this way, the feds dropped the case, so Armstrong did it clean, why can these people not get along with the program.

Reality check. It's as obvious as night following day that Armstrong doped.

no one on this thread denies that. i'm curious as to which of your last, say, 2000 posts brought anything substantive to the discussion?

 

[Benotti69]

no one on this thread denies that. i'm curious as to which of your last, say, 2000 posts brought anything substantive to the discussion?

go read them

 

[aphronesis]

go read them

right. my point. how 'bout you pick one that differs from the above in nuance and content?