USADA-Armstrong Phase II

[ElChingon]

You'd of thought he'd of followed his own advice or its come back big time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGtfpzT4Lqw

 

[ÅSBJÖRN BENKT]

John Wilcockson of Peloton magazine.

http://www.pelotonmagazine.com/Wilcockson/content/21/1799/Wilcockson-The-Armstrong-Case

 

[mewmewmew13]

I LOLed at this on Slowtwitch.

"LA now has more testicles than Tour de France titles."

lol

tsk tsk Bro what are we going to do with you....
you have a slowtwitch problem....

 

[DirtyWorks]

but armstrong seems to simply wants to ride his bike and do his charity - he genuinely seems sick of it all.

He couldn't stay away the first time he retired got on the doping program for two(?) years then really retired. He then went on to Tri when he got back on the dope for 2012. Give it a little time. He'll be back to poison another well.

 

[ggusta]

Ok, here is an overview.

Armstrong did not to contest a hearing, that doesn’t mean there won’t be a report about his case.

http://www.usada.org/files/pdfs/usada-protocol.pdf

“USADA shall publicly report the disposition of anti-doping matters no later than five business days after … (2) such hearing has been waived.”

Additionally “After an anti-doping rule violation has been established, USADA may comment upon any aspect of the case.”

They need to give this report, with instructions, to the UCI. The UCI then has a "Choice" to follow the instructions of USADA or to take it to CAS. I doubt they would take it to CAS as they would lose quickly. CAS does have a process in place to review and rule on cases rapidly, this would surely qualify.

I expect the UCI to strip Armstrong of all results from Aug 1998 till today. Armstrong has threaten to sue USADA if he is stripped....but who does he sue? It is actually the UCI that would do the stripping so perhaps he files a lawsuit against Travis?

So USADA can release all the evidence they like, the question is how and when. For now Bruyneel, Marti, and Celya all are facing arbitration, this may effect when USADA releases the evidence. They may also just dump it all into the public at the same time they give it to them.

I understand that Armstrong was on the phone with Bruyneel yesterday trying to get him to drop the arbitration. Johan has a lot more to lose as he will be unemployable if he is sanctioned. He does not have the cash that Wonderboy has.

1st .... if I had a nickel for every idle threat of a lawsuit he has issued....
2nd I would like to place a formal objection to the quotation marks around the word 'choice' above. (And if anyone references my quotation marks around the word choice in my post I will sue them. Or hold my breath for a really long time.)
It is a choice they will have to decide.

 

[DirtyWorks]

John Wilcockson of Peloton magazine.

http://www.pelotonmagazine.com/Wilcockson/content/21/1799/Wilcockson-The-Armstrong-Case

where she watched Armstrong compete in the junior men’s race. “He attacked only a kilometer or two into the race and rode off the front all day with one Russian guy. Lance got caught in the last kilometer, but he was the workhorse of the duo,” Demet remembered. “I think he’d done only five bike races before that, and that made it all the more impressive.”

There might be a little problem with this.... Wasn't he on Wenzel/Carmichael's doping program by then? He certainly didn't go to Russia on his own... Then he rides for Eddie B. which pretty much means there was a doping program.

 

[ggusta]

I'm going for a consecutive title against these chumps who call themselves my rivals.

It is big time schadenfreude, but I am loving the response of people like Gree who cannot accept that the dream is gone. I can only imagine how dumbfounded Armstrong must have been feeling the last few weeks. He probably could not believe this was happening to him.

I feel as if your title may have been aided by post enhancing drugs and would like to either ban you or take you to arbitration. If you do not respond on the count of 3 you waive your right to arbitration and your title will be stripped

One

Two

two and a half

two and three quarters

two and seven eighths

 

[Carols]

Well if he wants to be remembered for humanitarian acts that seems to be working:

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling...ees-78k-donations-25-times-greater-normal-day

 

[ggusta]

The problem is Wonderboy needs to save what is left for his multiple legal fights and judgement. He has heavy exposure and limited earning potential

Yes. Despite most notably Nike and Anheuser Busch issuing statements of support you can also make bank that as soon as the contract expires it will not be renewed. (They may not have in any regard, but this seals it. See: Tiger Woods affairs aftermath)

 

[ggusta]

Bruyneel might as well take the money and run. I mean, sure he needs employment but what's the point of even going into arbitration? He's going to face the same onslaught Armstrong would have faced - they were like tweedledee and tweedledum. What does he gain by arbitrating?

I wonder if coming clean may give him the easiest route out of this.

 

[wannab]

John Wilcockson of Peloton magazine.

http://www.pelotonmagazine.com/Wilcockson/content/21/1799/Wilcockson-The-Armstrong-Case

(1) On an even field, where no one was enhancing his performance in any way, Armstrong would have likely won all seven of his Tour titles. This is sadly ironic.

(2) There will never be another Lance Armstrong.

1) what a tard

2) ye that's a real shame

gosh, I keep hearing the silliest stories/quotes .. I'd respond to them all but it's hopeless, luckily there is still the clinic!


On a side note: This is the story of the day I've heard on the news:
An interviewed sport psychologist had remarks on the timing of the confessions of Armstrong's team mates. He said why didn't they tell it at the time it was going on... Really, if that's the mindset of a psychologist you don't deserve that title. (Edit: Also, a lot of people find this timing strange, to me it couldn't be more clearer)

I really needed to tell that story

 

[MarkvW]

Ok, here is an overview.

Armstrong did not to contest a hearing, that doesn’t mean there won’t be a report about his case.

http://www.usada.org/files/pdfs/usada-protocol.pdf

“USADA shall publicly report the disposition of anti-doping matters no later than five business days after … (2) such hearing has been waived.”

Additionally “After an anti-doping rule violation has been established, USADA may comment upon any aspect of the case.”

They need to give this report, with instructions, to the UCI. The UCI then has a "Choice" to follow the instructions of USADA or to take it to CAS. I doubt they would take it to CAS as they would lose quickly. CAS does have a process in place to review and rule on cases rapidly, this would surely qualify.

I expect the UCI to strip Armstrong of all results from Aug 1998 till today. Armstrong has threaten to sue USADA if he is stripped....but who does he sue? It is actually the UCI that would do the stripping so perhaps he files a lawsuit against Travis?

So USADA can release all the evidence they like, the question is how and when. For now Bruyneel, Marti, and Celya all are facing arbitration, this may effect when USADA releases the evidence. They may also just dump it all into the public at the same time they give it to them.

I understand that Armstrong was on the phone with Bruyneel yesterday trying to get him to drop the arbitration. Johan has a lot more to lose as he will be unemployable if he is sanctioned. He does not have the cash that Wonderboy has.

That's interesting! Lance really ought to put aside his utter self-absorption and fund Johan's retirement fund.

Those hearings are GOLDEN, as Rod Blagojevich would say!

 

[mewmewmew13]

Yes. Despite most notably Nike and Anheuser Busch issuing statements of support you can also make bank that as soon as the contract expires it will not be renewed. (They may not have in any regard, but this seals it. See: Tiger Woods affairs aftermath)

I'm always seeing racks of livestrong clothing on sale.
I think his image as a pitchman will be tarnished.

 

[ggusta]

1) what a tard

2) ye that's a real shame

gosh, I keep hearing the silliest stories/quotes .. I'd respond to them all but it's hopeless, luckily there is still the clinic!


On a side note: This is the story of the day I've heard on the news:
An interviewed sport psychologist had remarks on the timing of the confessions of Armstrong's team mates. He said why didn't they tell it at the time it was going on... Really, if that's the mindset of a psychologist you don't deserve that title. (Edit: Also, a lot of people find this timing strange, to me it couldn't be more clearer)

I really needed to tell that story

There seems to be a compulsion by all sorts of people to eulogize a living person today. Kind of like remembering that hot girl in high school the day after your 20th reunion when you find out what time, 3 husbands and 4 kids, a minivan and a whole mess of alcohol and drive thrus can do to the female form.

Enjoy your walk down memory lane folks, it leads to a dark alley.

 

[ggusta]

I'm always seeing racks of livestrong clothing on sale.
I think his image as a pitchman will be tarnished.

Can anyone name Tiger Woods' endorsement deals today? All he did was cheat on one woman (and his 2 children), this guy ripped off the entire culture by forcing his saintly image on it. Tiger was way more subtle than that. A lot of image managing for Tiger, but not saint, even before.

 

[MarkvW]

There seems to be a compulsion by all sorts of people to eulogize a living person today. Kind of like remembering that hot girl in high school the day after your 20th reunion when you find out what time, 3 husbands and 4 kids, a minivan and a whole mess of alcohol and drive thrus can do to the female form.

Enjoy your walk down memory lane folks, it leads to a dark alley.

Lance isn't really person to the really devoted fanboys and girls. He's a symbol--a symbol that they have adopted and embellished with their own hopes and dreams.

 

[Carols]

Lance isn't really person to the really devoted fanboys and girls. He's a symbol--a symbol that they have adopted and embellished with their own hopes and dreams.

Exactly, and they will never change their minds because it would destroy their dreams

Although I have changed 2 peoples minds today with facts vs emotion. They went from Kangroo court and no evidence to 'Oh I see.'

 

[ÅSBJÖRN BENKT]

Lance isn't really person to the really devoted fanboys and girls. He's a symbol--a symbol that they have adopted and embellished with their own hopes and dreams.

you get that with people and celebrities. as a fan of cycling i just really respect winning the tdf seven times. doped yes, but that was part of the game.

he is really a person to those that hate him?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

A funny comment in the ESPN-Forum:

"I hate you liberal Lance haters! I bet Obama is behind all of these false alligations! Not only was Mr. Armstrong one of the first guys on the moon, he literally invented the bicycle! He is is a damn hero! A hero! He inspired me so much I cut off one of my testicles just to be like him. God Bless you Lance and God Bless America! Go Romney 2012!"

LOL

 

[dolophonic]

Lance isn't really person to the really devoted fanboys and girls. He's a symbol--a symbol that they have adopted and embellished with their own hopes and dreams.

that is a great summary ...

 

[Ingenerius]

Exactly, and they will never change their minds because it would destroy their dreams

Although I have changed 2 peoples minds today with facts vs emotion. They went from Kangroo court and no evidence to 'Oh I see.'

What arguments/facts did you use that worked/made the breakthrough? Have a couple of people I would like to turn myself, so would really like to know

 

[Maxiton]

you get that with people and celebrities. as a fan of cycling i just really respect winning the tdf seven times. doped yes, but that was part of the game.

he is really a person to those that hate him?

Hey, here's something kind of funny. Did you know that there is a Sweden, Texas? Check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden,_Texas

It seems there's also a New Sweden (since the old one is a ghost town, I guess).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden,_Texas

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What arguments/facts did you use that worked/made the breakthrough? Have a couple of people I would like to turn myself, so would really like to know

Facts... If a german like me can convince USA hardcore football fans that the NFL is a passing league, everything is possible.

 

[wannab]

Lance isn't really person to the really devoted fanboys and girls. He's a symbol--a symbol that they have adopted and embellished with their own hopes and dreams.

Ironically, if you'd replace symbol by god, you'd get religious people I see a lot of parallells hehe ...

 

[Carols]

What arguments/facts did you use that worked/made the breakthrough? Have a couple of people I would like to turn myself, so would really like to know

That it was Lance's decision to forgo a hearing and he thereby accepted the sanctions. That his decision was most likely so that he could do PR spin as opposed to having the evidence revealed.

That it wasn't an action against only Lance there were 5 others. Three, including Lance accepted sanctions and 3 have decided to go to court.

Most people here thinks it's just USADA picking on Lance; that was eye opening! And 3 of them going No Contest carried weight.

Then they read USADAs banning letter---all they had read previously was Lance's statements. It is pretty damning!!!

Now these 2 are no longer ranting and raving how unjustly Lance has been treated......they are weighing their own believes.