USADA-Armstrong Phase II

[sniper]

That Garmin/JV need to be more consistant and transparent. Above all any potential doings with JB is scandalous.

thanks and +10
how JV reconciles his anti-doping stance with plans for a break-away league with JB is beyond me.

 

[sniper]

So, any chance of reopening Novitzky's investigation?

i figured if SCA opens their case and they can show Lance lied under oath, that, amongst other things, could have some federal consequences.

 

[Stingray34]

Well, it's been a long day for gree fighting the good fight and he's certainly earned his kippers. He's been keel-hauled and walked the plank a few times, but it's back on deck for tomorrow, blistering barnacles.

In a heads-up PM I received from him, he says he's moving to a 'Ryme of the Ancient Mariner' metaphor tomorrow. I told him to reconsider as Coleridge did lots of dope and everyone feels sorry for the poor albatross.

Mako sharks are cool and hard, so I suggested 'The Old Man and the Sea' instead. Thinking ahead to UCI vs USADA, 'Mutiny on the Bounty' might be a safe bet to stay ahead of the curve.

 

[webvan]

I'm still wondering about what happened in 2006-2008, when LA had retired for the first time. All of a sudden everybody seemed to be against doping. ASO, journalists, team leaders, David Millar and other riders made storng statements about the "new cycling". A lot of riders were caught. Landis, Rasmussen, Vinokourov, Schumacher and Ricco were expelled to Devil's Island.

Then came 2009. LA came back for the second time and was welcomed like a hero. The UCI regained control over the doping tests.

What happened in 2009 to explain this change?

And you forgot Patrice Clerc who was running the TDF and vehemently against doping (and as a result Armstrong and the UCI) getting fired by ASO. Obviously ASO was more interested in getting the "business" that would come with Armstrong's return than dealing with the bad press from second rate riders getting popped by the handful like in 2008...

With Patrice Clerc at the helm Armstrong was not coming back to the TDF so I can understand their incentive to have him gone (he was FatPat's enemy too) why he took off and signed an apparently permanent NDA I don't know, maybe he was tired and could use the ton of money he certainly got for accepting to step down.

They had another chance to stop him when the AFLD guy who showed up for on OOC test and was kept at bay for 20 minutes while JB was "checking on him" giving Dopestrong all the time he needed to "clean up", but again they rolled over, without even a "no show". Clearly they were afraid of his litigious self and couldn't wait to get their hands on the money generated by his comeback. Such is life.

 

[Microchip]

I don't know if this has been posted or not so forgive me, but this is a video from a few days ago where Travis Tygart talks to Scott Pelley on CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_1...ay/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Good video, should've been longer in duration.

Just don't get the question "He's retired, why pursue him?" Seriously!?!?? "Oh! I worked at Enron and embezzled 2 million dollars, now I'm retired, so no one can come around asking questions and I'll just enjoy my millions." What?!?!?!?

 

[Race Radio]

So, any chance of reopening Novitzky's investigation?

Yes, and others

 

[sniper]

Good video, should've been longer in duration.

Just don't get the question "He's retired, why pursue him?" Seriously!?!?? "Oh! I worked at Enron and embezzled 2 million dollars, now I'm retired, so no one can come around asking questions and I'll just enjoy my millions." What?!?!?!?

+1!..........

 

[lilac harry quinn]

Had a good laugh at Velominati's take on the situation:

http://www.velominati.com/evanescent-riders/evanescent-riders-l-e-juan-gunderson/

"Then, in 1996, Juan started to feel something wasn’t right with his health. Had all the orange juice that Lamborghini administered been having a negative affect? He’d always wondered why the juice was colored red rather than orange, and tasted like blood. Lamborghini would always just shrug and say the juice was from blood oranges, a feasible explanation as far as Juan was concerned."

 

[CharacterFirst]

Well, it's been a long day for gree fighting the good fight and he's certainly earned his kippers. He's been keel-hauled and walked the plank a few times, but it's back on deck for tomorrow, blistering barnacles.

In a heads-up PM I received from him, he says he's moving to a 'Ryme of the Ancient Mariner' metaphor tomorrow. I told him to reconsider as Coleridge did lots of dope and everyone feels sorry for the poor albatross.

Mako sharks are cool and hard, so I suggested 'The Old Man and the Sea' instead. Thinking ahead to UCI vs USADA, 'Mutiny on the Bounty' might be a safe bet to stay ahead of the curve.

Jules Verne would be proud. Good work.

 

[Stingray34]

Jules Verne would be proud. Good work.

Hey, that's a good one: 20,000 Cycling Breakaway Leagues Under the Sea.

We'll get that big white sucker belly-side down!

This is your cue, JV.

 

[thehog]

Good video, should've been longer in duration.

Just don't get the question "He's retired, why pursue him?" Seriously!?!?? "Oh! I worked at Enron and embezzled 2 million dollars, now I'm retired, so no one can come around asking questions and I'll just enjoy my millions." What?!?!?!?

The UCI has now explained the motives for its action against the German, who had a racing licence registered in Switzerland. “There are two main reasons,” said UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani to VeloNation. “First of all, because we can’t accept that just because you say ‘I am retiring’ that we don’t do anything against you. Maybe in the future you could then say you will come back [to racing]…if you are not been sanctioned by UCI you could , and we don’t want that.

“Secondly, and more generally, we can’t from a legal point of view create a precedent. In the future we could have the same situation appearing with another rider who says ‘listen, why are you suing me – you didn’t do the same with Ullrich two or three years ago?’ So we were obliged to do it.”



http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...action-against-Jan-Ullrich.aspx#ixzz24qWsNZIY

 

[sniper]

The UCI has now explained the motives for its action against the German, who had a racing licence registered in Switzerland. “There are two main reasons,” said UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani to VeloNation. “First of all, because we can’t accept that just because you say ‘I am retiring’ that we don’t do anything against you. Maybe in the future you could then say you will come back [to racing]…if you are not been sanctioned by UCI you could , and we don’t want that.

“Secondly, and more generally, we can’t from a legal point of view create a precedent. In the future we could have the same situation appearing with another rider who says ‘listen, why are you suing me – you didn’t do the same with Ullrich two or three years ago?’ So we were obliged to do it.”



http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...action-against-Jan-Ullrich.aspx#ixzz24qWsNZIY

haha, well played Hog!

 

[Parrot23]

Maybe off topic here, but:

"“Anytime they were getting close to him all of a sudden there would be less talk from him about his cycling and a lot more talk about his foundation. For me that was always the bellwether that someone was getting close.” **** Pound.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...campaign=Feed:+competitor/velonews+(VeloNews)

Yes, it's all about the future now while he's garnered all that financial loot. "I'm moving on...."

(LOL, CN word censor app doesn't let me write Pound's first name).

 

[VeloMaster]

What would Melville do?

He spent 17 years fighting the charges and winning. When someone creates an entirely new system just to get you ... what's the point? CPT Ahab is after the white whale and will pursue him into retirement ... so ... what?

I suggest your go re-read Moby **** before you invoke on of the masterpieces of American literature in defense of Wonderboy.

[EDIT: Yes, CN's software really did replace the second element of the title with ****. What is this, grade school?]

 

[Benotti69]

The UCI has now explained the motives for its action against the German, who had a racing licence registered in Switzerland. “There are two main reasons,” said UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani to VeloNation. “First of all, because we can’t accept that just because you say ‘I am retiring’ that we don’t do anything against you. Maybe in the future you could then say you will come back [to racing]…if you are not been sanctioned by UCI you could , and we don’t want that.

“Secondly, and more generally, we can’t from a legal point of view create a precedent. In the future we could have the same situation appearing with another rider who says ‘listen, why are you suing me – you didn’t do the same with Ullrich two or three years ago?’ So we were obliged to do it.”

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...action-against-Jan-Ullrich.aspx#ixzz24qWsNZIY

Well played sir. UCI looking like the corrupt fools they are.

Lets see an article outlining the hypocrisy by the UCI and how they went after some riders and left Armstrong alone.

 

[The Cobra]

Johan just tweeted this link: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/26/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120825

There's so many different threads on this topic I'm not sure if this is being discussed anywhere. Who the **** wrote this? Lance??

A few highlights

It's that the anti-doping system claiming its highest-profile quarry ever is the most thoroughly one-sided and dishonest legal regime anywhere in the world this side of Beijing.

Instead, the outcome shows that the system is so relentlessly rigged that even Lance Armstrong doesn't see a point in fighting it.

How to they get away with printing this ****????

 

[DirtyWorks]

How to they get away with printing this ****????

The L.A. Times is on the long, sad, slide into irrelevance so they have to resort to that kind of content to get eyeballs. They weren't ever exactly the New York Times either. To be fair, they've had some good content in the distant past.

If there's more of it, then that means it popped their traffic numbers. I don't know how many times and different ways the faithful can re-read more nonsense. I guess we'll find out.

 

[Epicycle]

Johan just tweeted this link: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/26/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120825

There's so many different threads on this topic I'm not sure if this is being discussed anywhere. Who the **** wrote this? Lance??

A few highlights





How to they get away with printing this ****????

Yeah, he wrote similar articles during the Floyd fiasco, although this one seems more opinion.

He's a Pulitzer prize winning writer. He's also a guy who was outed as engaging in sock puppetry to defend himself against criticism in comments. He has a massive ego.

He once wrote an article about Tyler, blasting the homologous transfusion test and leading the reader to believe a transfusion would have been unnecessary, "because performance-enhancing effects would have worn off well before the Games". Of course, he neglected to mention the fact that cyclists have to train before competitions and the fact that Tyler was still in the Tour about a month before the Olympics, so the transfusion with somebody else's blood could have been done then to help his Tour performance. He also didn't mention the fact that Tyler had been warned for having suspicious blood values by the UCI earlier that spring.

And in this Lance column, he neglects to mention that marijuana is only banned in competition. It's also obviously ridiculous for him to equate necessary surgery with using EPO to blood dope because no competent doctor is going to prescribe EPO to win a bike race.

 

[QuickStepper]

Maybe there should also be a "UCI vs. USADA" thread, but since this involves the actions of USADA against Armstrong, I think it belongs here.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/24/3776820/uci-asks-usada-to-explain-case.html

Among the more interesting stuff in this article:

The International Cycling Union will wait for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to explain why Lance Armstrong should lose his seven Tour de France titles before commenting on the case.

The sport's governing body said Friday it expects USADA to submit documents "to the parties concerned," as the case threatens to wipe a cycling icon almost out of the record books.

"The UCI recognizes that USADA is reported as saying that it will strip Mr. Armstrong of all results from 1998 onwards in addition to imposing a lifetime ban from participating in any sport which recognizes the World Anti-Doping Code," the Switzerland-based organization said in a statement.

"As USADA has claimed jurisdiction in the case the UCI expects that it will issue a reasoned decision" explaining the action taken, the UCI said, adding that legal procedures obliged USADA to fulfill this demand in cases "where no hearing occurs."

And this:

The International Olympic Committee said Friday it will await decisions by the U.S. agency and UCI before taking any steps against the rider

And finally, this:

Even if Armstrong loses the legal battle, the UCI would still be able to regard him as its 1993 world champion in the men's road race in Oslo, Norway.

Interesting to see that the IOC's position is "wait-and-see" about the outcome of the dispute between UCI and USADA. I also had not realized that Armstrong would still get to retain his 1993 World Championship Road title.

 

[MacRoadie]

"viola"...

Just goes to show...

Violas never get any respect. Cellos and violins get all the chicks. Then you have your "bad boy" southern fiddles. Don't get me started on them...

 

[MacRoadie]

No I suspect you're here ofg: tell me Mark: how did the USDA jump alive in the past couple of years and find all this radical evidence?

Crap, now he has the US Department of Agriculture on him? Excessive water use? Witch hunt!

 

[JA.Tri]

bringing down UCI

I recon that JV sees much of the UCI can be improved on (yes really). Given that JV is seeking to:

clean up the sport
implement other changes to the sport
dismantle the Dark Tower of the UCI
bring in other changes that JV prefers

he sought to initiate change in a way that stood a chance of working.

Perhaps JB is not his favourite option, maybe it was the only viable option immediately available?

Perhaps JB is preferable as part of the new structure as compared to the UCI with Pat (and Hein as puppeteer)?

In a new structure, seems to me, JB would not wield nearly as much influence as the UCI old guard. Especially if a transparent, genuine, ethical structure was introduced.

I do not suggest JV is a saint. However as I have stated before, maybe JV is playing the best game he can, with the limited cards and resources he has at his command.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Maybe there should also be a "UCI vs. USADA" thread, but since this involves the actions of USADA against Armstrong, I think it belongs here.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/24/3776820/uci-asks-usada-to-explain-case.html

Among the more interesting stuff in this article:



And this:



And finally, this:



Interesting to see that the IOC's position is "wait-and-see" about the outcome of the dispute between UCI and USADA. I also had not realized that Armstrong would still get to retain his 1993 World Championship Road title.

This is terrible news! How can LA keep his 1993 world championship?

 

[laughingcavalier]

This is terrible news! How can LA keep his 1993 world championship?

I think its quite funny.
From 7 times tour winner to 1993 world champion.
Damned with faint praise.

 

[Oldman]

This is terrible news! How can LA keep his 1993 world championship?

That was pre-cancer miracle. He was merely a doper then.