USADA-Armstrong Phase II

[DirtyWorks]

I feel as if your title may have been aided by post enhancing drugs and would like to either ban you or take you to arbitration. If you do not respond on the count of 3 you waive your right to arbitration and your title will be stripped

One

Two

two and a half

two and three quarters

two and seven eighths

Haha!

Seriously, this was probably the second time in Wonderboy's life someone gave him a deadline with consequences and he couldn't weasel out of it.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes. Despite most notably Nike and Anheuser Busch issuing statements of support you can also make bank that as soon as the contract expires it will not be renewed.

The water beer deal is up in a couple months

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yes. Despite most notably Nike and Anheuser Busch issuing statements of support you can also make bank that as soon as the contract expires it will not be renewed. (They may not have in any regard, but this seals it. See: Tiger Woods affairs aftermath)

People forgive and forget many athletes and their faults. Michael Vick (sp?) is a perfect example. I bet Wonderboy is radioactive for a while, then goes away for a while, declares bankruptcy, then lands a few more endorsements, Dell Webb retirement living or something.

 

[krinaman]

From the comments I read today, it seems that this really didn't change anything in the public's view about Armstrong. Obviously, I didn't read them all but I jumped around through a bunch of news stories skimming them and the comments. "fanbois" seem to outweigh "haters" buy a fairly large margin.

I seen quite a lot of complaints against the USADA and many of the stories included Spark's remarks questioning the USADA's motives.

Then there are pieces like this: (it's hardly the only one)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...8a13ca-ee22-11e1-afd6-f55f84bc0c41_story.html

At the end of the day I'm not sure who took the bigger hit to their reputation LA or the USADA

 

[BroDeal]

Haha!

Seriously, this was probably the second time in Wonderboy's life someone gave him a deadline with consequences and he couldn't weasel out of it.

Hopefully the third will come sometime in the future when he can't make the twenty minute deadline when delivering pizzas.

 

[BotanyBay]

Lance rarely enters into mere endorsement deals. He's a revenue sharer. You wanna have Lance involved, you have to trade out some equity in your biz. That will now end for future deals. Those who are currently in the Lance Armstrong business are kind of stuck there until contracts expire, and until they do, they're going to save face to help keep the value of the investment alive.

Five years from now, Lance's Q-rating will be virtually non existent. The CB radio of bike racing. 10-4 good buddy!

 

[BroDeal]

From the comments I read today, it seems that this really didn't change anything in the public's view about Armstrong. Obviously, I didn't read them all but I jumped around through a bunch of news stories skimming them and the comments. "fanbois" seem to outweigh "haters" buy a fairly large margin.

I seen quite a lot of complaints against the USADA and many of the stories included Spark's remarks questioning the USADA's motives.

Then there are pieces like this: (it's hardly the only one)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...8a13ca-ee22-11e1-afd6-f55f84bc0c41_story.html

At the end of the day I'm not sure who took the bigger hit to their reputation LA or the USADA

A lot of those comments will have been posted by the Internet reputation management company Armstrong is paying. Wait for a few weeks to see the real impact.

 

[DirtyWorks]

On a side note: This is the story of the day I've heard on the news:
An interviewed sport psychologist had remarks on the timing of the confessions of Armstrong's team mates. He said why didn't they tell it at the time it was going on... :confused

Because if a person wants to find doubt to maintain a myth, they'll pick something, anything that reinforces their faith in the myth.

 

[MarkvW]

A lot of those comments will have been posted by the Internet reputation management company Armstrong is paying. Wait for a few weeks to see the real impact.

I have a feeling the media is not going to let go of this for awhile.

 

[Maxiton]

Looks like Polish has been unmasked. I feel kinda bad about that, to be honest.

See here

Meanwhile, LA had this to say in a self-written op-ed piece:

"Is there a single person among us who has not, in one way or another, become obscenely rich and successful through the repeated use of performance-enhancing drugs?"

See the whole piece here.

 

[Carols]

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[Race Radio]

Just a clarification

“USADA shall publicly report the disposition of anti-doping matters no later than five business days after … (2) such hearing has been waived.”

They have already done this, as of last night

 

[Maxiton]

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Hahahaha. I'm ordering one.


In fact I think I'll sell them. But I'll donate 10% of the profit (net-net) to cancer research.

 

[wannab]

Merckx & Roger De Vlaeminck & the never tested positive story in favor of lance

He passed all controles, he never tested positive?

De vlaeminck, similar ("leave him alone")

I find this remarquable, if you really were a clean athlete you'd be more anti doping I'd think. Of course we know they weren't but the PED's were on a completely different level.

Shame, it show's the culture of cycling

 

[jackwolf]

From the comments I read today, it seems that this really didn't change anything in the public's view about Armstrong. Obviously, I didn't read them all but I jumped around through a bunch of news stories skimming them and the comments. "fanbois" seem to outweigh "haters" buy a fairly large margin.

I seen quite a lot of complaints against the USADA and many of the stories included Spark's remarks questioning the USADA's motives.

Then there are pieces like this: (it's hardly the only one)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...8a13ca-ee22-11e1-afd6-f55f84bc0c41_story.html

At the end of the day I'm not sure who took the bigger hit to their reputation LA or the USADA

That's astroturfing, man, wise up. Pretty decent job, but not as good as the comments section here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/armstrong-facing-loss-7-tour-071948352--spt.html

 

[gjdavis60]

People forgive and forget many athletes and their faults. Michael Vick (sp?) is a perfect example. I bet Wonderboy is radioactive for a while, then goes away for a while, declares bankruptcy, then lands a few more endorsements, Dell Webb retirement living or something.

Michael Vick didn't defraud his way to professional success. But more importantly, Michael Vick didn't bilk thousands of frightened, defenseless cancer patients and then send them to die in the medical processing plants. Michael Vick isn't an agent for the medical-industrial complex. He isn't a sociopath or a murderer.

No second chances for Armstrong. Just swift, final, and merciless justice.

 

[Maxiton]

Michael Vick didn't defraud his way to professional success. But more importantly, Michael Vick didn't bilk thousands of frightened, defenseless cancer patients and then send them to die in the medical processing plants. Michael Vick isn't an agent for the medical-industrial complex. He isn't a sociopath or a murderer.

No second chances for Armstrong. Just swift, final, and merciless justice.

These sound like pretty lunatic ravings, even among Clinic lunatics. Are you taking the p*ss, or are you ?

 

[mikkemus23]

I just ordered "We might as Well Win" and Tyler Hamiltons upcoming book. Should be fun to read the two takes on what went on at USPostal

 

[BotanyBay]

So, can UCI appeal a sanction to CAS that came about with no interest from the athlete himself? Lance washed his hands of the matter by failing to answer the charges. So the UCI appealing to CAS would be a laughable move. without Lance Armstrong, you have no victim athlete or case to represent.

 

[M Sport]

So, can UCI appeal a sanction to CAS that came about with no interest from the athlete himself? Lance washed his hands of the matter by failing to answer the charges. So the UCI appealing to CAS would be a laughable move. without Lance Armstrong, you have no victim athlete or case to represent.

Yes, they can but I doubt they would. Like you say it would be a laughable move even if Lance joined the appeal, which he won't.

 

[La Vie Claire]

So much for Lance's threat to produce ten witnesses to Lemond's doping with EPO. Money can't buy everything.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/sports/cycling/antidoping-officials-move-to-wipe-out-armstrongs-titles.html?hp

The morning after Lance Armstrong gave up his fight against doping accusations, Travis Tygart, the chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which brought the most recent drug charges against Armstrong, received an unexpected phone call.

He said it was from yet another person who was offering information about the systematic doping that the agency claims occurred on Armstrong’s Tour de France-winning teams.

“At the end of the day, a lot of people knew the truth, but they were silenced by the internal pressure from the team to keep everything secret,” Tygart said, adding, “This is the most witnesses we’ve ever had in any case come forward.”
...
The antidoping agency said more than 10 witnesses — including some of Armstrong’s former teammates and allies — had agreed to testify against Armstrong in a public hearing.

 

[Animal]

Link to the banning letter and to the released USADA evidence?

 

[Morbius]

Back to Bruyneel:
I'd expect Bruyneel to fight the process arguments in arbitration, because if he wins there Armstrong will automatically get the benefit. If, say, the SOL extension is ruled out in JB's case, Armstrong gets to keep 5 tours and it helps his PR argument that USADA were being vindictive. In effect JB becomes Armstrong's proxy in a parallel track to anything that happens with UCI.

If JB loses the process points, I'd expect him to fold before evidence hearings just like LA.

From LA's point of view a side benefit of this approach is that the evidence will be kept under wraps for quite a while longer.

 

[Morbius]

Link to the banning letter and to the released USADA evidence?

See the USADA home page
http://www.usantidoping.org/

 

[rhubroma]

From the comments I read today, it seems that this really didn't change anything in the public's view about Armstrong. Obviously, I didn't read them all but I jumped around through a bunch of news stories skimming them and the comments. "fanbois" seem to outweigh "haters" buy a fairly large margin.

I seen quite a lot of complaints against the USADA and many of the stories included Spark's remarks questioning the USADA's motives.

Then there are pieces like this: (it's hardly the only one)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...8a13ca-ee22-11e1-afd6-f55f84bc0c41_story.html

At the end of the day I'm not sure who took the bigger hit to their reputation LA or the USADA

It's so called journalism in the US like this from a major daily, which proves that most Americans prefer fiction to facts, because they can't stomach the truth and to think otherwise would be too devastating to their patriotic worldview.

The truth is that most Americans, especially when it touches upon a so called American hero, prefer to exchange the fairytale they want to believe in for real life which is mean, hypocritical and ultimately depressing.

It remains to be seen how long, though, the lie that is the fairytale can hold out to the irrefutable truth, unbearable to them though it may be, even in the land of eternal optimism and dreams.