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ChewbaccaD

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WindLessBreeze said:
My advise to you all: Do your own thing/Trust*Nobody......That´s why I don´t have best pals: Friends´ feel envy when you do well, get satisfaction when you fail, and will be quick to display anything they´d learn. OMERTA. Works best with POETS who work alone. Even my two ex-wifes sold me out for a meager profit,......To George, et al: RAT$...To USADA: $#%&*.....By Lance we stand!
Mediocre folks and losers you are all:D
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Water seeks its own level.
 
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LOL!!
To paraphrase the Great Dubya, "you're either for Armstrong, or for Cancer";)
LA is a **** for so many other reasons besides doping.
Even if he did dope (you'd have to be pretty naive at this point to think he was pure a driven snow), the bottom line is that the whole field of GC contenders at the time were doped to the gills. LA is essentially going to be punished for being smarter than everyone else. He trained harder and smarter. Period. He probably would have dominated regardless. He had the will and the $$ behind him.
At this point, it all smacks of revenge. Landis et al just want to see LA fall just as they did.
How will this make cycling better? Certainly not for me. Will LA going down make the roads safer for cyclists? No. Will it get more people on bikes? Not likely. Will it pump more cash into cycling? Probably not in North America.
I wish even half of the motivation for going after LA was being put into punishing those in the banking sector who were responcible for the economic meltdown we have experienced, or going after motorists who take out cyclists.
I guess arguing this in this forum is pretty much the equivelant of standing up in the Vatican and arguing the existence of God though.
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Incorrect. But as this is not 'who-is-to-blame-for-global-financial-breakdowns'-forum we should let that be.

Sure. There might be some grudges or even people who wants revenge.
But personally I find the Armstrong case important for two reasons (one subjective and one objective):
1. I don't want a person like Armstrong on (above) the level of cycling's greatest.
2. I feel it's good to catch on to dopers whenever. Even if it doesn't improve anything for the current riders, it may prevent future generations from doping. If exposing Armstrong prevents just a single 16-year old aspiring cyclist from sticking a needle into his arm, it did serve a purpose.
 
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BroDeal said:
Uh-oh. The fanboys on Slowtwitch are already starting after Hincapie. This is going to get ugly.
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That’s’ awesome. Is no one safe? That’s so funny. Big George is now a bad guy?
 
BroDeal

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I just surveyed a bunch of different forums and the hardcore fanboys are still standing by their man. This is from Slowtwitch.

I hope somehow the tour comes out and takes hincapie's start/partipation record away if it's on record he admits to doping. We all assume they all doped but if it's taken this type of agreement to bust lance, well I want all those dopers to suffer for those who snitched as well.

The good news is there seems to be a lot of giving in to the realization that with Hincapie and Leipheimer aboard it is pretty much over. I think the rational people may be able to drown out the flat earthers, the numbers of which are getting smaller and smaller.
 
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Non-athlete witnesses against Lance?

Surely most of the focus is on former teammates of Lance. There have been former soigneurs, personal assistants, etc. that have given accounts of what they've seen.

I often wonder if any of Lance's former love interests could have testified to what they observed. I would love for Kristin or Sheryl Crow to come forward, perhaps too much to hope for.

He'd likely secure their silence via some form of intimidation.
 
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Has there been any confirmation that USADA provided the secret witness list to Armstrong et al?

Sure seems like that the leak, whomever it came from, is accurate. The failure to deny that they have spoken with USADA is telling, IMO.
 
leftover pie

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oldschoolnik said:
Will someone please post the 5 stages of Lance Fanboy defenses:
Denial
They all doped
It doesn't affect me/won't clean up the soprt
(new) Lance is scapegoat
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i think "it was too long ago, in another era" is missing from this list

and don't forget to use the phrase "weak turncoats" when describing GH, LL etc etc
 
red_flanders

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Zinoviev Letter said:
Maybe I'm going blind, but I don't actually see a denial of anything by Hincapie in that report at least.
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I've seen none of them deny testifying, only Vaughters and BMC saying no riders have gotten 6 month suspensions.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
Water seeks its own level.
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All I did was weed, legal and legit at the time. Afraid of needles. NOW I Could pass any drug test anytime. What's your level? The level of the RAT' who sell your leader? The LEADER who gave you a JOB, who was there for you? Scary*Cats have a place: HELL
 
Stingray34

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WindLessBreeze said:
All I did was weed, legal and legit at the time. Afraid of needles. NOW I Could pass any drug test anytime. What's your level? The level of the RAT' who sell your leader? The LEADER who gave you a JOB, who was there for you? Scary*Cats have a place: HELL
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You and Skippy should write a book: Fear and Loathing of Making Sense.
 
ChewbaccaD

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WindLessBreeze said:
All I did was weed, legal and legit at the time. Afraid of needles. NOW I Could pass any drug test anytime. What's your level? The level of the RAT' who sell your leader? The LEADER who gave you a JOB, who was there for you? Scary*Cats have a place: HELL
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I struck a nerve. Truth hurts, huh?
 
MarkvW

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"A story that appears to have been leaked."

So says Phil Liggett.

Attacking "trial by media."

Sherwen mentions "libel" and wishes for more libel laws.

This is funny.

But Liggett does say that he hopes it will be "aired once and for all."

Looks like Phil got a little bit off-message.
 
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on3m@n@rmy

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No denials by Levi or George in this article either:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-07-05/lance-armstrong-teammates-doping-bans/56027290/1

In the USA Today report it said the bans, if true, would be against Vaughters, Hincapie, Levi, Zabriskie and Vande Velde after admitting to doping and agreeing to give evidence against Armstrong. George and Levi did not deny the reports. Vaughters spoke for himself and his two guys David and Christian by saying the reports are "completely untrue". USA Today also said BMC team manager Jim Ochowicz has also denied knowledge of the bans.

USADA has officially denied the reports in the Dutch media. (EDIT... see ChewbaccaD's post above for link)
 
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Neal Karlinsky from ABC news

USADA on Armstrong witness report: No indiv cases have been finalized & any attempt to guess...only leads to inaccurate info being reported
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USADA cont: "any attempt to circumvent the proper procedures in order to bully or silence people...cannot be tolerated."
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MarkvW said:
"A story that appears to have been leaked."

So says Phil Liggett.

Attacking "trial by media."

Sherwen mentions "libel" and wishes for more libel laws.

This is funny.

But Liggett does say that he hopes it will be "aired once and for all."

Looks like Phil got a little bit off-message.
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And Sherwen says he "can't imagine any sporting federation offering that kind of deal."

They don't say who they think did the leaking, but that bit sounds 'on message'.
 
thehog

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MarkvW said:
"A story that appears to have been leaked."

So says Phil Liggett.

Attacking "trial by media."

Sherwen mentions "libel" and wishes for more libel laws.

This is funny.

But Liggett does say that he hopes it will be "aired once and for all."

Looks like Phil got a little bit off-message.
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It’s sad that Phil and Paul are complicit in the intimidation of witnesses.
 
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slimkay said:
Since when are riders testimonies enough to prove that someone is guilty of doping? Wouldn't they need actual proof that he did? What if the samples they put forward are dubious?

I'm just saying... we've yet to see the full story. Armstrong might very well set up here by ex-teammates holding a grudge and the USADA...
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oh good thinking it's just all these people have a grudge against Lance! That's the answer, all the x teammates got together and cooked this story up! When you think about it it makes perfect sense!!! and USADA omg you know they just cooked up some dirty blood to "get" Lance, I mean the whole world is jealous, everyone wants to be Lance and these people just can't handle the fact that there is only one Lance. Bravo SlimKay excellent theory you've cracked the case!!
 
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MarkvW said:
"A story that appears to have been leaked."

So says Phil Liggett.

Attacking "trial by media."

Sherwen mentions "libel" and wishes for more libel laws.

This is funny.

But Liggett does say that he hopes it will be "aired once and for all."

Looks like Phil got a little bit off-message.
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Yup, lost all respect for that modulated English delivery.
 
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