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blackcat

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Epicycle said:
Yep, that's straight out of Floyd's failed playbook. Can't wait for the ominous commercial, with "trailer park" instead of "strict, hard working Mennonite family":

http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/132402/Floyd_Fairness_Fund_Radio_Ad
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we just need some

trust but verify

and

extraordinary allegations require extraordinary proof

and once the folks at Public Strategy release these memes into the ether, the fanbois will be like liquid accellerant on a wildfire

where is Tom Fine and Rich Wharton, the two major backers of Floyd and Tyler. Where are.

Where

R

They

Now?
 
Moose McKnuckles

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How much is this case worth to the US taxpayers?

If the government intervenes in the qui tam case, the total amount of sponsorship by US Postal ($32 million) TREBLE. So, nearly $100 million that the US taxpayers could see back.

Of course, this excludes the SCA case, for which Armstrong could stand to lose millions more, not to mention potential perjury charges.
 
blackcat

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Race Radio said:
Ned Braden is House. Legendary troll. Banned almost everywhere, including here
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Moose McKnuckles said:
I remember that guy from Dailypeloton. Worst Armstrong defender ever.
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no, the House from Dailypeloton is not Braden. House knew Livingstone. He was not a troll. He just defended Armstrong. Those on the DP knew who House was, and you are conflating this handle with another person. House on DP was harmless, but he got a hard time.
 
BroDeal

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blackcat said:
no, the House from Dailypeloton is not Braden. House knew Livingstone. He was not a troll. He just defended Armstrong. Those on the DP knew who House was, and you are conflating this handle with another person. House on DP was harmless, but he got a hard time.
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Whatever happened to ChrisH? Is he locked in a padded room somewhere, clutching a Livestrong t-shirt, and mumbling to himself?
 
thehog

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BroDeal said:
Whatever happened to ChrisH? Is he locked in a padded room somewhere, clutching a Livestrong t-shirt, and mumbling to himself?
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Cal_Joe?



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BroDeal

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On the Inrng it says that French radio reported that the USADA contacted the AFLD just before sending the charging letter.

The implication would seem to be that the USADA wanted assurance that evidence would be available.
 
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MarkvW said:
USADA has really good evidence of a conspiracy to dope. And they'll be able to prove the conspiracy.

But conspiracy to dope is not, itself, a violation that is alleged. The letter alleges acts that were actually done (use, possess, traffic, administer, attempt to administer, assist, encourage, aid, abet, cover-up, complicity, and aggravating factors . . .), but it is not seeking to sanction the dopers because of a conspiracy. Before you flame me, read the rule violations alleged against Armstrong on page 11.

USADA is seeking to bring the old Postie stuff in under two theories (page 14).

The first theory is that the old Postie and Disco doping is evidence of the doping that happened within the most recent 8 years. (Page 14). Under this theory, Lance's results of more than 8 years ago are not at risk. But this also means that the show is going to be really good (and really expensive for Lance to defend, if he chooses to do so). The ongoing conspiracy evidence is used to prove the doping within the 8 year limitation period. Still, that puts 2 TdF wins in grave jeopardy.

The other theory is a bold attempt to use the Hellebuyck decision to hold the dopers accountable for the ongoing cover-up. Hellebuyck lied at an antidoping hearing and Armstrong did not, so (for at least that reason) the Hellebucyk case is not a perfect fit for this case. USADA is arguing that Armstrong "waived" the limitation period by "false statements, fraudulent concealment, and other wrongful conduct." USADA is keeping its cards very close to the chest on this issue. To me, it seems like this issue is the one hot issue of the case and nobody can say for sure what the outcome on this issue will be. If USADA wins on this, then Armstrong loses all results. On all the other issues, Armstrong gets slaughtered.

Lance appears to be doomed with regards to the ultimate finding of violations. The only real question is whether or not the first five cases were brought within the limitation period.

Is Lance going to spend millions to salvage five Tour wins, when, no matter what, he is likely to lose his reputation and two Tour wins? That's the ten million dollar question. Lance may now be much more focused on trying to protect the pot of gold he already has than about trying to get more money.

I also reckon that the floodgates are now wide open. The media is not going to be afraid of a Lance Armstrong lawsuit any more. I expect much more critical coverage.

This will be so fun to watch! I fully expect intimidation from Armstrong and his coconspirators. I hope it backfires! Extortion is a serious crime!

And Johan is out of cycling! Amen to that!
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ROFL. Wow, this sounds oh so familiar. Oh wait, I remember now, this type of rant is basically a copy/paste from the US Dept of Justice failed case against Armstrong post in the other thread.

Why is this going to be any different? All of the evidence has been leaked, and is known regarding the situation. What exactly new or different or they going to come up with for "evidence" besides Landis and Hamilton and their fantastic eye witness accounts backed by their stellar credibility?!?!

So, what exactly are we going to learn from this case and what will happen?

Nothing. Wasted money.
 
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mastersracer said:
The timing of Hincapie's retirement is interesting. If he is a central witness in the case, it's plausible that USADA informed him that the charges were about to be released as a courtesy, so Hincapie could announce his retirement before it got tangled up in this case. There are at least 10 teammates who testified, but Hincapie is likely the central focus. He's been around Armstrong forever and has no motives against Armstrong. If he came clean and told a highly detailed account of team involvement since before 1996, that's going to be devastating testimony.
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Oh indeed. It isn't the fact the guy had one of the longest running careers in pro cycling, has outside successful business interests, and has decided to maybe spend more time at home with his family...NOoooo, couldn't be any of that. It must be part of the conspiracy!
 
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I loved watching Lance. Just as I loved watching Alberto and Jan (though more Jan for his epic losses to Lance). They're all dopers. Thats why they win in such epic proportions. Is everyone here seriously saying that Lance didn't dominate the sport for the time he was in it? More importantly, are we actually to believe that everyone else was clean at the time he was riding? Thats rediculous. I believe that had eveyone been doping at the same time, guys like Lance and Alberto would still have been winning. They were intense about what they do, and while everyone at their level has to be intense about the sport to some degree, they were obviously as obsessed as anyone.

Lance is just the easiest to hate by the masses. Some of that he can't control (like being an American in a Euro dominated sport) and some he can (like being an arrogant jerk around everyone he encounters at one point or another).

I also loved watching those who we 'think' have been clean, like Lemond, Indurain, Hinault and Fignon. But times have changed, and it seems less likely to be successful and clean in this sport than it does to be successful and dirty.

I don't necessarily love watching Evans, but I appreciate what he does, and Wiggins continues to dominate and impress. Do I question their cleanliness? Yup. How could you not. But I don't hate them.

I'll admit, I never liked Fignon. Great character though. He fit everyones image of the dirty, nasty snobby little frenchman many of us loved to hate. But I wouldn't want to lose my memory of him and his tours for anything.
 
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BroDeal said:
On the Inrng it says that French radio reported that the USADA contacted the AFLD just before sending the charging letter.

The implication would seem to be that the USADA wanted assurance that evidence would be available.
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That's the kind of action I have been waiting to see happen... get some hard evidence... open up the test results from that 7 year era and retest some frozen samples.
 
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As you say, the prospect of being cleared themselves will have been enticing. They obviously thought they were in real trouble. It does sit a little uneasy. With the guys we know spoke against him, it must be remembered that Landis volenteered to dope, before Bruyneel had asked him,, and Hamilton was doping before Armstrong was on the team, but it looks like Armstrong is going to be lined up as the fall guy for an era. He could be quite beastly to them at times, so he does deserve it you know....

This is going to put a black cloud over cycling for years to come. I can already feel the dread of the Eurosport commentators having to deal with this one at the Tour of Switzerland tomorrow.
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Dude, you're joking right? Or did you just inhale some bathsalts?

Seriously, do you believe what you're typing? If so, you are the new Nitrogous laugh-gas we all needed. Go back to sleep. You have been absent for the last decade.
 
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