USADA - Armstrong

[python]

This is going to get interesting. The UCI is (per Luskin). ORDERING USADA to stop. Independent drug testing is now DEAD as far as the UCI is concerned.

But, AFAIK USADA has no contract with the UCI. It has its contract with USA Cycling. The next step is for Lance's buddies at USAC to fall in line with the UCI and direct USADA to leave Lance alone.

Will USAC dare to do that? Can USAC screw with USADA without breaching its contract? What will the consequences be if USAC breaches its contract?

And what about the sleeping giant, the USOC? IF USAC breaches the contract with respect to Lance, then I doubt USADA would be docile thereafter. The Olympic Committee would be left without an independent testing entity for US cycling.

I am awed by how openly corrupt the UCI is.

my dear friend mark, you seem to have slept through a lot of hints (no adversarial meaning here)

the usada have indicated several times in several public statements that the american cycling fed, and the olympic authority of the united states are fully in line with usada...

you just don't get the zest from them if it was otherwise.

and i repeat the 3000 kg gorilla that matters here (b/c the federal case will be dismissed, im 100% sure) is wada.

wada is entirely on the usada's side but have been silent so far for a good reason.

 

[MacRoadie]

His lawyers were watching it?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/101977502/Consent-MOTION-for-Extension-of-Time-to-File-Response-Reply

 

[D-Queued]

Did anyone else notice this about face in, what, less than a week:

''The UCI is the only test results management authority, as these are UCI tests,'' McQuaid said in his letter.

But, didn't he just tell us that WADA was responsible for all of that, and that the UCI had nothing to do with doping tests?

Ok, Pat, make up your mind. I'm getting dizzy.

Dave.

 

[MacRoadie]

His lawyers were watching it?

Motion For Extension of Time to File

 

[MarkvW]

my dear friend mark, you seem to have slept through a lot of hints (no adversarial meaning here)

the usada have indicated several times in several public statements that the american cycling fed, and the olympic authority of the united states are fully in line with usada...

you just don't get the zest from them if it was otherwise.

and i repeat the 3000 kg gorilla that matters here (b/c the federal case will be dismissed, im 100% sure) is wada.

wada is entirely on the usada's side but have been silent so far for a good reason.

If USA Cycling and USOC are simpatico with USADA, then McQuaid is just making wind. He can't get to USADA without going through USA Cycling. I hope you are right!

I agree that the case is getting dismissed. This UCI junk is just another reason why the courts should get out and leave this to the sporting authorities.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Just made a bowl of popcorn

Thanks RR!
and python that is a good piece of info

(The words 'tourette's' and 'McQuaid' together really whip up the imagination )

 

[MacRoadie]

I agree that the case is getting dismissed. This UCI junk is just another reason why the courts should get out and leave this to the sporting authorities.

Or, conversely, why the courts can't trust sporting authorities (a category under which the UCI would fall)...

 

[D-Queued]

Motion For Extension of Time to File

Unbelievable.

Isn't that akin to a guilty plea in a Malpractice suit?

Sorry, I couldn't be bothered to do my job 'cuz I was watchin Beach Volleyball?

You cannot blame the Olympics for not knowing what the timeline was.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Unbelievable.

Isn't that akin to a guilty plea in a Malpractice suit?

Sorry, I couldn't be bothered to do my job 'cuz I was watchin Beach Volleyball?

You cannot blame the Olympics for not knowing what the timeline was.

Dave.

I think it might have been the hangovers. They're biting hard these days.

 

[MacRoadie]

Unbelievable.

Isn't that akin to a guilty plea in a Malpractice suit?

Sorry, I couldn't be bothered to do my job 'cuz I was watchin Beach Volleyball?

You cannot blame the Olympics for not knowing what the timeline was.

Dave.

That is the single reason given:

As the Court is likely aware, the Olympic Games are currently taking place in London,
England. As a result, Plaintiff has experienced difficulties in obtaining affidavits and other
information from representatives of certain National Governing Bodies and others with
information relevant to Plaintiff’s response who are currently attending the Olympic Games.

 

[BroDeal]

That is the single reason given:

As the Court is likely aware, the Olympic Games are currently taking place in London,
England. As a result, Plaintiff has experienced difficulties in obtaining affidavits and other
information from representatives of certain National Governing Bodies and others with
information relevant to Plaintiff’s response who are currently attending the Olympic Games.

This translates to McQuaid and his cronies are in London as drunk as lords.

 

[mewmewmew13]

That is the single reason given:

Grasping at straws.

As if everyone they are 'trying' to contact have hung a sign on their door like 'gone fishin'

 

[Fatclimber]

... I think what we are seeing here is what is actually going on.

....

I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the case. Lance doesn't like, nor does he want, to be taken to task. If the whole thing can fall apart and be blamed on a technicality that'd be fine with him. Nothing gets exposed that way and he can rant all he wants in public about the unfairness of the whole deal. The likelihood of a malpractice suit against reputable lawyers only serves as an alibi to the public that it isn't what they wanted to happen.

 

[MacRoadie]

Seems USADA had no problem getting affidavits from all over the globe. Including one from CAS in Switzerland (home to the UCI).

 

[caryopsis]

That is the single reason given:

yep Team LA, I'm sure this additional 24 hours (and their option B in the extension request actually asked for less time) is going to make a world of difference in getting those affidavits back from London.

maybe they think the Olympics are still in Beijing, because they've already scraped through the bottom of the barrel and have commenced digging a deep, deep hole down into the dirt...

 

[thehog]

I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the case. Lance doesn't like, nor does he want, to be taken to task. If the whole thing can fall apart and be blamed on a technicality that'd be fine with him. Nothing gets exposed that way and he can rant all he wants in public about the unfairness of the whole deal. The likelihood of a malpractice suit against reputable lawyers only serves as an alibi to the public that it isn't what they wanted to happen.

I believe he would attempt to suggest it being a vendetta by the fact that USADA are holding onto the case.

What's interesting is USADA have also for the first time publicly taken aim at the UCI as well.

How will this end? The UCI will rule that they cannot respect the outcome based on their non-involvement.

It makes me laugh at the recent comments by Wiggins on what a great job the UCI are doing on the anti-doping front.

 

[MacRoadie]

How will this end? The UCI will rule that they cannot respect the outcome based on their non-involvement..

Then the UCI has a huge problem wih WADA, the IOC and the USOC. Defang USADA and the USOC and the IOC no longer have an anti-doping authority in the United States. You also have a problem as all of these entities are signatories to the WADA code.

I don't see how the UCI manages to skirt WADA and the IOC.

Cycling may not be huge in the US, but there are a few other sports that put dollars in the IOC coffers. 500-plus athletes at the Games? Huge dollars.

 

[MarkvW]

Cyclismas.com has the UCI's letter to USADA.

The UCI is commanding USADA to stop the Armstrong process. They are explicitly being peremptory with USA Cycling.

Now USA Cycling is in a bind: If they support USADA's independent pursuit of Armstrong's doping, then they defy the UCI.

 

[thehog]

Then the UCI has a huge problem wih WADA, the IOC and the USOC. Defang USADA and the USOC and the IOC no longer have an anti-doping authority in the United States. You also have a problem as all of these entities are signatories to the WADA code.

I don't see how the UCI manages to skirt WADA and the IOC.

Cycling may not be huge in the US, but there are a few other sports that put dollars in the IOC coffers. 500-plus athletes at the Games? Huge dollars.

Surely McQuaid knew his letter would become public. Why did he not state his position earlier?

He appears to be asking USADA to hand over the authority or take it to CAS to decide jurisdiction.

He is going to an awful lot of effort here.

 

[BroDeal]

Tilford weighs in.

http://stevetilford.com/?p=21069

 

[BroDeal]

Just made a bowl of popcorn

It is like watching a fisherman reel in a fiish on a hook. The fish squirms. It flips and flops, but slowly and surely it is drawn in to the inevitable, being grabbed by the tail and having its head slammed against a rock.

 

[MarkvW]

Tilford weighs in.

http://stevetilford.com/?p=21069

No disagreement from me. The only valid explanation is corruption. Even if USADA were messing up bad, that is a mistake for the CAS to fix, not the UCI.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

This is going to get interesting. The UCI is (per Luskin). ORDERING USADA to stop. Independent drug testing is now DEAD as far as the UCI is concerned.

But, AFAIK USADA has no contract with the UCI. It has its contract with USA Cycling. The next step is for Lance's buddies at USAC to fall in line with the UCI and direct USADA to leave Lance alone.

Will USAC dare to do that? Can USAC screw with USADA without breaching its contract? What will the consequences be if USAC breaches its contract?

And what about the sleeping giant, the USOC? IF USAC breaches the contract with respect to Lance, then I doubt USADA would be docile thereafter. The Olympic Committee would be left without an independent testing entity for US cycling.

I am awed by how openly corrupt the UCI is.

Why, the fat baztard who is running the place snuck down to South Africa to race when athletes from his country were banned from doing so. He never has and never will be more than a useless bag of ****.

 

[MarkvW]

Surely McQuaid knew his letter would become public. Why did he not state his position earlier?

He appears to be asking USADA to hand over the authority or take it to CAS to decide jurisdiction.

He is going to an awful lot of effort here.

The UCI is not ASKING, it is TELLING. And it is also telling USA Cycling that its directive controls over any directive of the national federations. I sure hope Python is right when he says that USA Cycling is with USADA on this.

 

[BroDeal]

The UCI should be preparing the ground for Armstrong being exposed. They have a lot of material to work with. Everyone in the sport is singing the same tune about how different the sport it from four years ago. They have their two new clean champions, Wiggins and Hesjedal. Instead they are digging the hole deeper for themselves.

Now is the time to get ahead of the curve. They should acknowledge that mistakes have been made in the past and make a new anti-doping gesture, like testing and proceedings that are independent of the UCI and independent of nations.