USADA - Armstrong

[python]

This is big, is this the first time an anti-doping body has publicly stated the UCI has no interest in enforcing anti-doping measures? Maybe AFLD did in the past?

definitely afld under bordry, until now, was the most outspoken national anti-doping body opposing and exposing the uci favouritism to armstrong and his team.

also, since your question is general enough, wada under **** pound should be included in the count.

the documentation covering both organizations feuds with the uci is easily available...

the difference btwn the usada and afld this time is significant.

afld's main quarrel was over who was to oversee the tdf testing. recall, wada's independent observers were instituted eventually and the compromise was found.

the usada though is not in a compromising mood, their aim is exposing deep down, generation long culture of doping in cycling, all under the corrupt uci.

this is an existential fight for fat pat and his predecessor.

 

[roundabout]

Who was this other person?

Pound I guess.

 

[the big ring]

In the mean time and until further notice UCI denies USADA any authority to act or proceed
on the basis of ADR or any other rule of the UCI orotherwise on behalf of UCI and/or USA
Cycling.

We inform USA Cycling accordingly.
Now that UCI has been advised of the request for proceedings before AAA we inform also
AAA and the Respondents.
Yours sincerely,

Now that I've had time to digest this - it doesn't apply strictly to the LA case - this is a carte blanche shutdown attempt of USADA by the UCI. USADA cannot continue to do ANYTHING to ANYONE if this is enforceable.

wtf?

 

[spalco]

Wish we were all at a big party.

On another note...there are simply too many stupefying and seemingly idiotic moves by Lance's legal team for me to believe that they are really that lame.
I smell something else going on here...
smokescreen...diverting attention...whatever ..

Does anyone really believe that this assembled group of shysters is this laughably inept?
I'm still edgy ...something is not adding up.

I actually have sympathies for Armstrong's lawyers. Their case is complete ****, but they are still obligated to argue it. Much easier to make a case when you're actually right, and much easier to look good doing it.

 

[the big ring]

Pound I guess.

According to this website, he only said that about ATP

The ATP is essentially an association of players, so there is some conflict of interest in that relationship. We believe drug-testing and result management should be independent.
(**** Pound)

http://www.inspirationalstories.com/quotes/t/****-pound/

 

[Cerberus]

Now that I've had time to digest this - it doesn't apply strictly to the LA case - this is a carte blanche shutdown attempt of USADA by the UCI. USADA cannot continue to do ANYTHING to ANYONE if this is enforceable.

wtf?

I think you're overintepreting it. The entire exchange is about the Armstrong case and this line has to be read in that context.

 

[the big ring]

I think you're overintepreting it. The entire exchange is about the Armstrong case and this line has to be read in that context.

Sure. Still very curious if it's even enforceable for the LA case.

 

[Berzin]

The 12 o'clock midnight deadline has passed-now what?

I think you're overintepreting it. The entire exchange is about the Armstrong case and this line has to be read in that context.

I think many have read it in the context that the UCI is ordering the USADA to halt its' investigation into Armstrong right in it's tracks.

 

[spalco]

The 12 o'clock midnight deadline has passed-now what?

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I'm sure Armstrong's lawyers filed something, but I'd like to read it, and I have no idea where to look.

 

[No_Balls]

Well, Mr McQuaid, "Skys spokesperson", and UCI shows their true colours.

Just look at this:

"By our count, of the 21 podium finishers at the Tour de France during the period from 1999-2005, only a single rider other than Mr. Armstrong was not implicated in doping by a subsequent investigation," said Bock. "Yet, only a single one of these riders had a positive test with the UCI."

USADA demands in a letter to the UCI that a "Truth And Reconciliation Commission to clean up the sport of cycling once and for all," be set up.

And then we look at this:

In a statement released by USADA chief executive Travis Tygart, he argues that the sport's governing body and those involved in the United States Postal Service alleged doping conspiracy "have a strong incentive to cover up what transpired."

"The participants in the conspiracy have lashed out in the press, gone to Congress and filed a lawsuit to avoid a public display of the evidence before neutral judges," he said

"Efforts to intimidate, scare or pressure us to conceal the truth will not stop us from doing the job we are mandated to do on behalf of clean athletes and the integrity of all sport."

This sport is beyond help. Whatever USADA have found and will found, UCI are preparing to shut them down.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-claims-usada-has-no-jurisdiction-in-armstrong-case

 

[thehog]

What is strange is in 2010 McQuaid asked USADA to investigate along with other national federations.

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Last week McQuaid labeled Landis “sad” for taking aim at Armstrong, however the UCI chief said the body is “taking the claims seriously” and has asked five national federations in total to launch investigations.

For Armstrong the US anti-doping agency (USADA) has been mandated to carry out a probe while McQuaid has also asked the Belgian federation to probe the claims concerning Bruyneel.

The federations of Australia, Canada and France have also been asked to investigate after Landis’s claims respectively implicated professional Matthew White, Michael Barry and John Lelangue, Landis’s former manager at Phonak who is actually Belgian.

http://www.bicycle.net/2010/uci-claims-no-conflict-of-interest-in-armstrong-donation

"We take his accusations very seriously. I received a copy of the email, I think at the beginning of May. It is the responsibility of the national federation to conduct an investigation and I asked the US federation to begin an inquiry. They requested US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) to make an inquiry and that is ongoing."

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-takes-landis-allegations-very-seriously.html

 

[Cycle Chic]

Looks like the net is closing tightly on Mr McQuaid - he's looking more and more like Rebecca Brooks every day

'In a statement released by USADA chief executive Travis Tygart, he argues that the sport's governing body and those involved in the United States Postal Service alleged doping conspiracy "have a strong incentive to cover up what transpired."
"The participants in the conspiracy have lashed out in the press, gone to Congress and filed a lawsuit to avoid a public display of the evidence before neutral judges," he said
"Efforts to intimidate, scare or pressure us to conceal the truth will not stop us from doing the job we are mandated to do on behalf of clean athletes and the integrity of all sport."

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

This has to be the nadir of the sport's existence. The absolute ugliest bottom. Unless of course the UCI succeeds in getting this shut down. That would be about all the lower it could go.

Someday people will reflect on these times as one of the darkest in the sporting history.

 

[70kmph]

"The USPS Doping Conspiracy was going on under the watch of UCI, so of course UCI and the participants in the conspiracy who cheated sport with dangerous performance-enhancing drugs to win have a strong incentive to cover up what transpired. The participants in the conspiracy have lashed out in the press, gone to Congress and filed a lawsuit to avoid a public display of the evidence before neutral judges. Efforts to intimidate, scare or pressure us to conceal the truth will not stop us from doing the job we are mandated to do on behalf of clean athletes and the integrity of all sport," the statement said.

Great response by USADA

 

[thehog]

This has to be the nadir of the sport's existence. The absolute ugliest bottom. Unless of course the UCI succeeds in getting this shut down. That would be about all the lower it could go.

Someday people will reflect on these times as one of the darkest in the sporting history.

One would have to ask if they were to wrestle control of the proceedings how would the UCI handle it?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

The UCI has shown us the true face of evil. What this new stance against USADA tells me is that they truly care only about money. They will sacrifice anyone and anything on that alter, including the lives of all those dead young Dutch cyclists from the early 90s. Pat, Hein and the UCI sicken me.

 

[thehog]

The UCI has shown us the true face of evil. What this new stance against USADA tells me is that they truly care only about money. They will sacrifice anyone and anything on that alter, including the lives of all those dead young Dutch cyclists from the early 90s. Pat, Hein and the UCI sicken me.

Jan must be shaking his head in disbelief....

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The UCI has now explained the motives for its action against the German, who had a racing licence registered in Switzerland. “There are two main reasons,” said UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani to VeloNation. “First of all, because we can’t accept that just because you say ‘I am retiring’ that we don’t do anything against you. Maybe in the future you could then say you will come back [to racing]…if you are not been sanctioned by UCI you could , and we don’t want that.

“Secondly, and more generally, we can’t from a legal point of view create a precedent. In the future we could have the same situation appearing with another rider who says ‘listen, why are you suing me – you didn’t do the same with Ullrich two or three years ago?’ So we were obliged to do it.”

 

[BotanyBay]

McQuaid just announced to the world that he has some serious sh*t to hide.

This is actually a good thing, folks. Never before has any sports leader so obviously acted in his own self-interest before. We haven't seen a big reaction from the world's journalists yet because their heads are still spinning in complete disbelief. Pat is throwing hail-Mary passes on the first-down of the first quarter of the game. That's how nervous and anxious he is.

Pat is acting like Tom Cruise's character in "Taps" where he completely loses it and starts blowing everyone away with the machine gun, saying "It's beautiful, man!". He is completely devastated and losing his mind. He knows the jig is up and he's not acting rationally.

 

[thehog]

McQuaid just announced to the world that he has some serious sh*t to hide.

This is actually a good thing, folks. Never before has any sports leader so obviously acted in his own self-interest before. We haven't seen a big reaction from the world's journalists yet because their heads are still spinning in complete disbelief. Pat is throwing hail-Mary passes on the first-down of the first quarter of the game. That's how nervous and anxious he is.

Pat is acting like Tom Cruise's character in "Taps" where he completely loses it and starts blowing everyone away with the machine gun, saying "It's beautiful, man!". He is completely devastated and losing his mind. He knows the jig is up and he's not acting rationally.

Did he not know the letters would become public? Why was he saying differently in public?

 

[sniper]

Jan must be shaking his head in disbelief....

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The UCI has now explained the motives for its action against the German, who had a racing licence registered in Switzerland. “There are two main reasons,” said UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani to VeloNation. “First of all, because we can’t accept that just because you say ‘I am retiring’ that we don’t do anything against you. Maybe in the future you could then say you will come back [to racing]…if you are not been sanctioned by UCI you could , and we don’t want that.

“Secondly, and more generally, we can’t from a legal point of view create a precedent. In the future we could have the same situation appearing with another rider who says ‘listen, why are you suing me – you didn’t do the same with Ullrich two or three years ago?’ So we were obliged to do it.”

HA!! very nice.
The fraud has become unbearable by now.

Looking forward to learn really how much UCI has/had invested in Lance/USPS.

 

[70kmph]

McQuaid has been implicated in the USPS conspiracy along with the others

What happened to his threat to sue Landis- nope didnt happen, curious

So the team always knew when the testers were coming and made precautions- there's only one conclusion

 

[Race Radio]

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I'm sure Armstrong's lawyers filed something, but I'd like to read it, and I have no idea where to look.

Yes, his $1,000 per hour, "Top Gun DUI" lawyers filed some babble last night

 

[Anonymous]

It's pretty obvious Lance has thrown down the chili.

If he goes down he's going to take everybody with him.

 

[ChrisE]

I hope you are right, but isn't USAC run by some guys who have as much to lose as Pat and LA and Verdruggin?

Correct. There was alot of incentive for coverup all those years, by many people. This is exactly why I thought this case would never come to pass, but this Travis guy is a loose cannon lol. This whole charade cracks me up.

Hopefully TT can tell the public about how his organization never found an AAF on LA until some dodgy passport data in 2010. Hopefully he can say how all the testing done is worthless compared to a disgruntled Landis.

Just wanted to drop in and say hi to the clinic mob , and to say I told you so inre to LA fighting this tooth/nail.

 

[GoGarmin]

Burn down the UCI. My god. Thank goodness this is coming out.