USADA - Armstrong

[BroDeal]

Well not really - BPCs standard technique is to distort something, present it as truth and hope no-one checks it.

Nah. He wants you to respond. The intent to goad people into engaging him by posting falsehoods.

 

[mewmewmew13]

It's like a TechnicalDescent into the crapper.

swirling...

 

[TechnicalDescent]

aargh...this thread is going down the tubes...
exactly what he wants

I received a PM saying this is the "Maserati vortex" and he is famous for doing this. They say I should avoid him because there is nothing more he'd like than for 20 pages of this nonsense so I end up getting banned for replying to him.

Message received. BroDeal, who clearly backs me up in his post about Thomas - no takers for explaining how he does not back me up - is also intent on trolling me.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

It's 2009 all over again. BPC responding to allegations that he is BPC, without getting banned.

To the current mods, it's called "providing a contrary opinion." Wish you were still a mod.

 

[krismtb]

Wait ... so after all the doping allegations from 1999 until now, the USADA finds evidence in 2010 and 2011? OK hold on here, this means that Armstrong is truly a complete f*cking idiot to be doping in 2010 and 2011?

If thats the case, which I find hard to believe, then he'll get whats coming, sure. But you don't possibly think it'll be THAT easy, do you? What kind of evidence do they have anyway?

And comparing Bonds to Armstrong is silly. Even if they both "cheated", what the hell has Bonds done similar to Livestrong? Nothing.

This is really the difference. As much as it will infuriate the crap out of all of you that want to see Armstrong proven a cheater, even if he is it wont matter that much to all of the fans who look up to him from the "cancer perspective". He is a survivor just as they are.

Your personal, selfish disdain for someone who may have cheated in a sport that is nothing more than a parade of advertisement for its sponsors, categorically pales and is meaningless rubbish compared to the perceived value cancer survivors take from Armstrong.

Either way, performance improvements were relative AND many others were doing the same thing at that time so, to say it was cheating is almost absurd when all the other winners were doing the same.

And as Horner commented, lets focus on the now and the future of doping tesing in the sport. Going back in time to dredge up penalties for the impossible-to-prove cheating instances is a sure sign of derangement.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Wait ... so after all the doping allegations from 1999 until now, the USADA finds evidence in 2010 and 2011? OK hold on here, this means that Armstrong is truly a complete f*cking idiot to be doping in 2010 and 2011?

If thats the case, which I find hard to believe, then he'll get whats coming, sure. But you don't possibly think it'll be THAT easy, do you? What kind of evidence do they have anyway?

And comparing Bonds to Armstrong is silly. Even if they both "cheated", what the hell has Bonds done similar to Livestrong? Nothing.

This is really the difference. As much as it will infuriate the crap out of all of you that want to see Armstrong proven a cheater, even if he is it wont matter that much to all of the fans who look up to him from the "cancer perspective". He is a survivor just as they are.

Your personal, selfish disdain for someone who may have cheated in a sport that is nothing more than a parade of advertisement for its sponsors, categorically pales and is meaningless rubbish compared to the perceived value cancer survivors take from Armstrong.

Either way, performance improvements were relative AND many others were doing the same thing at that time so, to say it was cheating is almost absurd when all the other winners were doing the same.

And as Horner commented, lets focus on the now and the future of doping tesing in the sport. Going back in time to dredge up penalties for the impossible-to-prove cheating instances is a sure sign of derangement.

SSDD
Cancer shield at 110% captain, I don't think she'll take anymore.

Eyewitness accounts = "impossible to prove"...somebody get to the prisons fast because when the criminals hear this, there is going to be some trouble...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I received a PM saying this is the "Maserati vortex" and he is famous for doing this. They say I should avoid him because there is nothing more he'd like than for 20 pages of this nonsense so I end up getting banned for replying to him.

There is nothing that I would like more than honest discourse.
But you are not capable of that, that is why you and your other 200 usernames gets banned. Nothing to do with me.

However you have your normal thing of misrepresenting someones comments - I pulled you on it. But it is you that wants to continue trying to spin it, that the only vortex and you created it.

 

[TechnicalDescent]

There is nothing that I would like more than honest discourse.
But you are not capable of that, that is why you and your other 200 usernames gets banned. Nothing to do with me.

However you have your normal thing of misrepresenting someones comments - I pulled you on it. But it is you that wants to continue trying to spin it, that the only vortex and you created it.

Just put into words how the quotes contradict each other. Very, very simple request.

 

[BroDeal]

Going over bikechatter, the only people willing to tweet about the situation are Adam Myerson [no surprise there, he's a righteous dude] and Scott Sunderland, who is angry about the witch hunt. Fumiyuki Beppu might have said something related but it's all a bunch of squiggly lines to me. Talansky made some stupid comment that he deleted, something about witnesses not being evidence. He was called on in by Myerson,

Sunderland and Thomas, individual opinions or the feeling of the whole Sky team?

 

[Elagabalus]

Wait ... so after all the doping allegations from 1999 until now, the USADA finds evidence in 2010 and 2011? OK hold on here, this means that Armstrong is truly a complete f*cking idiot to be doping in 2010 and 2011?

If thats the case, which I find hard to believe, then he'll get whats coming, sure. But you don't possibly think it'll be THAT easy, do you? What kind of evidence do they have anyway?

And comparing Bonds to Armstrong is silly. Even if they both "cheated", what the hell has Bonds done similar to Livestrong? Nothing.

This is really the difference. As much as it will infuriate the crap out of all of you that want to see Armstrong proven a cheater, even if he is it wont matter that much to all of the fans who look up to him from the "cancer perspective". He is a survivor just as they are.

Your personal, selfish disdain for someone who may have cheated in a sport that is nothing more than a parade of advertisement for its sponsors, categorically pales and is meaningless rubbish compared to the perceived value cancer survivors take from Armstrong.

Either way, performance improvements were relative AND many others were doing the same thing at that time so, to say it was cheating is almost absurd when all the other winners were doing the same.

And as Horner commented, lets focus on the now and the future of doping tesing in the sport. Going back in time to dredge up penalties for the impossible-to-prove cheating instances is a sure sign of derangement.

Wow! The ankle-biters are all out in force. Where were you guys back in February when the Federal Investigation was called off? We were on the ropes! You could have worn us down with one consolidated push of steely resolve, lazer like focus and high cadence!

But you blew it!

And we've been patient... oh, so very patient ...

 

[polisheggplant]

filthy dirty...

Armstrong has not been arrested- he broke the anti-doping rules and the anti-doping authority is pursing a case against him.
What is no in your language?

It was sarcasm.. If you read my earlier post, I explained to the guy that he was not arrested and that these were no longer criminal proceedings.
I think this is all crazy wasted breath though. Like I said earlier. This is one of the dirtiest sports I know. And the way they try to police it makes it look even more filthy.
But, I still love to watch!

 

[fatsprintking]

Today one of the local papers in Melbourne has a two page spread in the news section along with an article in the opinion section.

Its not a sport story in Australia - its a fraud story. Lance wanted to trancend sport and now he is dealing with the reality of what that means.

Maybe in the states he will maintain a loyal group in the cult of Lance, but thats not going to wash in Australia. I would even expect that there will be people in South Australia who start calling for the money he recieved to compete int he TDU to be paid back. The reality is that this was public money and so there is a political story in this as well.

 

[pedaling squares]

Wait ... so after all the doping allegations from 1999 until now, the USADA finds evidence in 2010 and 2011? OK hold on here, this means that Armstrong is truly a complete f*cking idiot to be doping in 2010 and 2011?

I think so, yes.

If thats the case, which I find hard to believe, then he'll get whats coming, sure. But you don't possibly think it'll be THAT easy, do you? What kind of evidence do they have anyway?

Read the USADA's letter, and stay tuned as the evidence has yet to be revealed and evaluated.

And comparing Bonds to Armstrong is silly. Even if they both "cheated", what the hell has Bonds done similar to Livestrong? Nothing.

Except reach the pinnacle of his sport due in large part to PED use, make millions, and act like an asshole.

This is really the difference. As much as it will infuriate the crap out of all of you that want to see Armstrong proven a cheater, even if he is it wont matter that much to all of the fans who look up to him from the "cancer perspective". He is a survivor just as they are.

I agree that many people will continue to admire him no matter what is proven at the end of the day. But many will not. There is no accounting for taste, and no shortage of people who are willing to look the other way when confronted with a famous person.

Your personal, selfish disdain for someone who may have cheated in a sport that is nothing more than a parade of advertisement for its sponsors, categorically pales and is meaningless rubbish compared to the perceived value cancer survivors take from Armstrong.

All sports are parades for advertisers. Anyway, some people do take value from his message. Others are sickened by the thought of being lied to in a time of personal tragedy. My (our) disdain is not in competition with the feelings of cancer victims or survivors, except to those who cannot see beyond a win/loss column.

Either way, performance improvements were relative AND many others were doing the same thing at that time so, to say it was cheating is almost absurd when all the other winners were doing the same.

Sorry, but that is pathetic. Cheating is cheating no matter how many may be doing it. Whether you are cheating the rules of a sport or banging a rock star when away from your wife. That's the end argument for Armstrong, don't give up hope and give in so easily. He hasn't yet been found guilty of anything!

And as Horner commented, lets focus on the now and the future of doping tesing in the sport. Going back in time to dredge up penalties for the impossible-to-prove cheating instances is a sure sign of derangement.

Ah yes. Let's not look back, nothing to see there folks. Riiiight.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Just put into words how the quotes contradict each other. Very, very simple request.

Hold on - you just said that I would want to go in to a 20 page of nonsence, and now you are looking for some quotes?

Go away.

 

[BroDeal]

Today one of the local papers in Melbourne has a two page spread in the news section along with an article in the opinion section.

Its not a sport story in Australia - its a fraud story. Lance wanted to trancend sport and now he is dealing with the reality of what that means.

Maybe in the states he will maintain a loyal group in the cult of Lance, but thats not going to wash in Australia. I would even expect that there will be people in South Australia who start calling for the money he recieved to compete int he TDU to be paid back. The reality is that this was public money and so there is a political story in this as well.

Listen to the Tomalaris clip I posted above.

Jesus, man. He's like Jesus.

 

[ManInFull]

Wait ... so after all the doping allegations from 1999 until now, the USADA finds evidence in 2010 and 2011? OK hold on here, this means that Armstrong is truly a complete f*cking idiot to be doping in 2010 and 2011?

If thats the case, which I find hard to believe, then he'll get whats coming, sure. But you don't possibly think it'll be THAT easy, do you? What kind of evidence do they have anyway?

And comparing Bonds to Armstrong is silly. Even if they both "cheated", what the hell has Bonds done similar to Livestrong? Nothing.

This is really the difference. As much as it will infuriate the crap out of all of you that want to see Armstrong proven a cheater, even if he is it wont matter that much to all of the fans who look up to him from the "cancer perspective". He is a survivor just as they are.

Your personal, selfish disdain for someone who may have cheated in a sport that is nothing more than a parade of advertisement for its sponsors, categorically pales and is meaningless rubbish compared to the perceived value cancer survivors take from Armstrong.

Either way, performance improvements were relative AND many others were doing the same thing at that time so, to say it was cheating is almost absurd when all the other winners were doing the same.

And as Horner commented, lets focus on the now and the future of doping tesing in the sport. Going back in time to dredge up penalties for the impossible-to-prove cheating instances is a sure sign of derangement.

I really don't care about what he's done off the bike. In case you didn't notice, this is a cycling forum. He wouldn't be where he is today if he didn't have the accomplishments on the bike. "It's All About the Bike" doesn't sell like it does if Lance comes back from cancer and doesn't win a single TdF. Heck, he probably doesn't even start a foundation, certainly not one that becomes as prominent as it is today.

He will be forever tarnished if things don't go the way you would like.

 

[TechnicalDescent]

To the current mods, it's called "providing a contrary opinion." Wish you were still a mod.

The mods are right to allow different view points. It's not even though we diagree about most of the facts of this case - apparently this really annoys BroDeal who wants to troll people who are ignorant of the sport - we just have a different interpretation of what this means and what should happen. I just don't understand why this is intolerable.

Dr Maserati said to the moderator earlier that BroDeal doesn't have a problem with people who disagrees with him. I fear Maserati was also being disingenious then. Name a poster who disagrees with BroDeal who Brodeal does not regard as a troll? Just one name?

This climate, where you back each other up even though you know it;s not the truth - like Brodeal here who is scratching his head trying to work out what Maserati's point is, which is in return for Maserati backing him up earlier with some more lies, is very unhealthy. It's like a forum omerta system.

 

[TechnicalDescent]

Hold on - you just said that I would want to go in to a 20 page of nonsence, and now you are looking for some quotes?

Go away.

I was told this, yes. That is really poor. You're lying through your teeth here. And now you seem to think you're vindicated by having BroDeal, of all people, back you up, when you know his post directly contradicts you.

And you're supposed to be angry about Armstrong's lies?

I'm sorry but you're a nasty piece of work. People can read this thread.

 

[BroDeal]

Name a poster who disagrees with BroDeal who Brodeal does not regard as a troll? Just one name?

MarkW. I might not agree with his opinion, I might make fun of his Google law degree, but I don't think he is trolling.

 

[Elagabalus]

The mods are right to allow different view points. It's not even though we diagree about most of the facts of this case - apparently this really annoys BroDeal who wants to troll people who are ignorant of the sport - we just have a different interpretation of what this means and what should happen. I just don't understand why this is intolerable.

Dr Maserati said to the moderator earlier that BroDeal doesn't have a problem with people who disagrees with him. I fear Maserati was also being disingenious then. Name a poster who disagrees with BroDeal who Brodeal does not regard as a troll? Just one name?

This climate, where you back each other up even though you know it;s not the truth - like Brodeal here who is scratching his head trying to work out what Maserati's point is, which is in return for Maserati backing him up earlier with some more lies, is very unhealthy. It's like a forum omerta system.

So you are BPC? You haven't denied it.

Edit: Who PM'd you about the "Maserati Vortex"? ChrisE show your face!!!

 

[Stingray34]

BPC's incessant trolling doesn't bother me so much as his lack of sleep these past two days. BPC is TCB.

 

[TechnicalDescent]

MarkW. I might not agree with his opinion, I might make fun of his Google law degree, but I don't think he is trolling.

Okay, fair enough, that's one then. Any others? And how do you justify promoting trolling on other forums, but are so intolerent of everybody (but one) who disagrees with you here? And how can you sit there, make exactly the same claim about the Thomas interview as me - you're actually where i got it from - but then pretend I am trolling?

You're STILL mentioning Thomas as though he said something you disagree with.

Aren't you supposed to hate the hypocrisy of Armstrong? Mind boggling.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I was told this, yes. That is really poor. You're lying through your teeth here. And now you seem to think you're vindicated by having BroDeal, of all people, back you up, when you know his post directly contradicts you.

And you're supposed to be angry about Armstrong's lies?

I'm sorry but you're a nasty piece of work. People can read this thread.

BPC - the reason you get banned is not because you are a fan of Armstrong or your views, or even that you have had 200ish usernames.
It is for posts like the one above.

 

[Stingray34]

Scott Sunderland's chargrin doesn't make sense in light of an impassioned article he wrote for an aussie cycling mag a few years ago that detailed his displeasure at the suffering he and his teammates at Lotto in the 1996 Tour courtesy of Team EPO.

He also detailed a suddsy, naked confrontation in the bath post-stage with his then DS, Jean-Luc VDB, who he claims wanted him to dope. Scott said he'd never put that kind of pressure on a rider, which is exactly what LA has been accused of, among other things.

 

[BroDeal]

Okay, fair enough, that's one then. Any others? And how do you justify promoting trolling on other forums,

What trolling? Link please.