USADA - Armstrong

[Maxiton]

You know what they say about Armstrong in Texas.

"Half of Texas thinks Armstrong is an assh0le. The other half hasn't met him yet."

Right, but that's why I put in the part about outsiders. It's like in Mexico, where people of Castilian background look down on Mestizos and Indians - but as soon as European visitors criticize anything Mexican, they close ranks and are proud Mexicans together.

 

[Race Radio]

https://twitter.com/suzhalliburton

Suzanne Halliburton, Austin American-Statesman

Hailliburton has been on Armstrong propaganda team for years. This was a minor part of the discussion.

No ruling yet but judge says arbitration does apply because Lance signed an agreement. In a break now 1-2 hours still to go

 

[Race Radio]

Armstrong legal continues to fumble procedurally

http://www.boulderbusinesslawadviso...t-is-a-sur-reply-and-when-are-they-permitted/

 

[mewmewmew13]

Hailliburton has been on Armstrong propaganda team for years. This was a minor part of the discussion.

No ruling yet but judge says arbitration does apply because Lance signed an agreement. In a break now 1-2 hours still to go

Big whew re the agreement angle..
Yes,.I was thinking she was that...
Thanx RR

 

[Benotti69]

Armstrong legal continues to fumble procedurally

http://www.boulderbusinesslawadviso...t-is-a-sur-reply-and-when-are-they-permitted/

Are they stupid or doing this for Armstrong?

 

[MacRoadie]

We're screwed...or maybe another delay so the USADA can flesh out the charging doc.

Let's be honest, the charging letter is light on details (albeit for a reason). USADA had their reasons for withholding information, and a typical charging letter certainly has more substance to it.

Certainly USADA has explained their reasons and concerns re: divulging information too early, and the nature of the charges isn't so easily spelled out as with an AAF, but his comment/criticism certainly has some objective merit.

 

[Epicycle]

And cycling is now as recognizable for doping as weightlifting. Probably then too. The sport was ripe for a take down and has been for a very long time going back to Verbruggen.

The 1998 Tour played a big part in the creation of WADA.

 

[Race Radio]

Judge asked about charging letter, that it lacked specificity. USADA explained how, where and when evidence would be shared. They also explained fear of witness intimidation

 

[MacRoadie]

Hailliburton has been on Armstrong propaganda team for years. This was a minor part of the discussion.

No ruling yet but judge says arbitration does apply because Lance signed an agreement. In a break now 1-2 hours still to go

Oh, I agree. I'm just saying things need to be taken in proper perspective. USADA certainly isn't above a critique here and there.

 

[superleicht]

Thought about going down to watch the fun, but had more important things to do. Re Judge Sparks' remarks about the charging letter, the jurisdictional issue is way more important, and the letter's content has no bearing on that. And Halliburton's not an attorney.

Superleicht

 

[MacRoadie]

Judge asked about charging letter, that it lacked specificity. USADA explained how, where and when evidence would be shared. They also explained fear of witness intimidation

Right. That's what I was implying.

Judge is right that it lacks specificity.

USADA explains why.

 

[Maxiton]

Consider the source.

Good point.

Judge said he didn't like usada charging letter with no specifics.

And it does seem like the right and simple reply to the judge would be, Well, your honor, we didn't want to try our case in the charging letter, nor do the rules require us to. The judge ought to understand that.

Maybe the judge is just trying to appear equally critical of both sides. It does seem that his noting this should have little bearing on jurisdiction.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

Pound went after everyone. He just wanted to get dopers.

Pound was admittedly a loose cannon and consequently was perhaps not the right person to bring the fight when push came to shove, unlike Tygart and Howman who have their respective agencies operating in a very measured fashion. However, I don't recall good ole Rickie being wrong in any of his sentiments. Remember he didn't have the same level of support at the time from the national ADAs, media, general populace (no Clinic ) and so he had to burn a bit brighter to take up the slack.

 

[WinterRider]

Judge asked about charging letter, that it lacked specificity. USADA explained how, where and when evidence would be shared. They also explained fear of witness intimidation

Are you present at the hearing? If not how do you know what's going on?

 

[ManInFull]

Let's be honest, the charging letter is light on details (albeit for a reason). USADA had their reasons for withholding information, and a typical charging letter certainly has more substance to it.

Certainly USADA has explained their reasons and concerns re: divulging information too early, and the nature of the charges isn't so easily spelled out as with an AAF, but his comment/criticism certainly has some objective merit.

Did this particular USADA charging letter contain less information than a typical charging letter from USADA?

 

[BroDeal]

Are they stupid or doing this for Armstrong?

Are they incompetent? Or do they figure they can break the rules and the judge will let them get away with it?

At what point does the USADA call BS and stop being so accommodating?

 

[python]

Judging by the writing of the USADA compared to Armstrong's muppets, I would place a pretty big bet that one side will be able to clearly, concisely, and forcefully answer questions from the judge. The other side, not so much.

That has to be a big plus in the USADA's favor.

judging by your recent posts, you have gone from pessimism to hope again...

you have that right and, yes, the us legal system has been exploited and duped before.

what makes this federal court case different from the recently closed novi federal investigation is that lots and lots of court presented evidence to be ruled on by the judge was not a guess, however reasonable, but a hard public record

under these circumstances, political undercurrents still apply, as they always do, but they now have to be based on publicly known facts and the law of of a country claiming to be the world democratic leader, rather than the closed process like american gj.

sam spark MUST rule on the facts of public evidence and the transparent law.

it takes special effort, not a legal savvy, not to see through the uci's complicity and corruption. public evidence dictates that any ruling against this common sense will be for ever a taint on the judge that arrived to the decision.

judge sparks has to realize this.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

Not sure. It just got me thinking that they are, after all, in Texas. And LA is the rose, so to speak, of Texas, at least where outsiders are concerned. So maybe the judge, despite being federal, will defer to his Texas loyalty . . . .

That's probably what Team Lance was hoping, but they didn't know which judge would be selected from the pool, and I think from early proceedings and humiliating retorts issued by Sparks it was clear that Armstrong didn't gain any advantage via the locale.

 

[Maxiton]

That's probably what Team Lance was hoping, but they didn't know which judge would be selected from the pool, and I think from early proceedings and humiliating retorts issued by Sparks it was clear that Armstrong didn't gain any advantage via the locale.

Yeah, you're probably right.

 

[BroDeal]

That's probably what Team Lance was hoping, but they didn't know which judge would be selected from the pool, and I think from early proceedings and humiliating retorts issued by Sparks it was clear that Armstrong didn't gain any advantage via the locale.

Sparks is a Texan. Born there, went to high school in Austin, and was a member of the Texas Cowboys. His family has a long Texas history. His grandfather and great grandfather were sheriffs in Texas in the 1800's.

He might be strictly law-and-order. But he could also bend over backwards to help a Texas "hero."

 

[mewmewmew13]

Sparks is a Texan. Born there, went to high school in Austin, and was a member of the Texas Cowboys. His family has a long Texas history. His grandfather and great grandfather were sheriffs in Texas in the 1800's.

He might be strictly law-and-order. But he could also bend over backwards to help a Texas "hero."

Hmm..that wouldn't be judge-like. He should be impartial one might hope?

 

[knewcleardaze]

Sparks is a Texan. Born there, went to high school in Austin, and was a member of the Texas Cowboys. His family has a long Texas history. His grandfather and great grandfather were sheriffs in Texas in the 1800's.

He might be strictly law-and-order. But he could also bend over backwards to help a Texas "hero."

Good gawd, I hope you're wrong on that.

 

[Maxiton]

Hmm..that wouldn't be judge-like. He should be impartial one might hope?

"Judge-like" is giving the appearance of being hardcore and impartial at the outset so as to have a figleaf for ruling according to your agenda, when it comes time to rule. At least, that's what it is in many cases.

Edit: Kudos to you, BroDeal. I wasn't aware of quite what a Lone Star son the judge is. It will be interesting to see if he rules as an impartial federal judge, or as an old boy Texan.

 

[Benotti69]

Sparks is a Texan. Born there, went to high school in Austin, and was a member of the Texas Cowboys. His family has a long Texas history. His grandfather and great grandfather were sheriffs in Texas in the 1800's.

He might be strictly law-and-order. But he could also bend over backwards to help a Texas "hero."

If he has met Armstrong and heard the stories he'll know Armstrong aint no hero!

 

[Race Radio]

I don't questions Sparks impartiality but hopefully he can see through the BS. It really confuses the mess with the UCI clogging the toilet. Most outside the sport do not realize how corrupt they are

Judge does not like cell phones in the courtroom so no more updates until it is over with