USADA - Armstrong

[ChrisE]

Problem being the press in most countries isn't analytical enough to understand how this all works.

Funny how Armstrong wants the names of th riders.... I smell smear!

They can't all be bitter can they?

Also Hincapie's retirement in August speaks volumes.

You don't think he knows who testified lol? Of course he will smear whoever. I have been saying this to you guys for years now.

LA has too much to lose, much more than his titles. I am sure not all are bitter, and I applaud them for telling the truth. That is irrelevant in terms of what is next from LA.

 

[noddy69]

Yes I read the letter. Why are you asking me such a simple question?
The thing is that the perception of a vendetta is real. It looks like someone within USADA has a personal beef with Lance. The federal authorities dropped the investigation and did not bring charges. Now another small time agency wants to get some attention and chase after the greatest Tour De France champion.

Floyd the liar. Tyler the druggie. I am not sure about any other names because USADA is such a corrupt orginization that they will not produce all the evidence to Lance.

I guess you are one of the people who hate Lance and everything he has done good for cycling and the cancer victims?

What has helping cancer victims got to do with doping allegations ?
Does a man who benefits financially in a massive way through an organisation that creates cancer awareness ...AWARENESS..really deserve all the accolades?

 

[dlwssonic]

Wow this is becoming a huge joke.
I wonder who they will give the 7 tour titles too??

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Just a warning to everyone to keep cool.

Susan

ETA: Stay off the "cancer lover" stuff. Or else.

 

[college]

seriously, how can one man have so much influence as to evade so many tests & still not be proven guilty of doping?

think about it.

USADA is opening themselves up for a load of crap by instigating this in the first place. It'll mean that one of their own had a hand to play in the cover up!

Another huge waste of time & money!

Yes it is a huge waste of tax payer’s money.
Since USADA refuse to give all the evidence or present the evidence to Lance then we will have to wait and see them at the hearing. I am not sure there will be a hearing. I imagine a few things will happen before then. Probably Lance will sue USADA and if congress gets involved it will be the end for whoever started this witch hunt in the first place.

 

[Anonymous]

Yes I read the letter. Why are you asking me such a simple question?
The thing is that the perception of a vendetta is real. It looks like someone within USADA has a personal beef with Lance. The federal authorities dropped the investigation and did not bring charges. Now another small time agency wants to get some attention and chase after the greatest Tour De France champion.

Floyd the liar. Tyler the druggie. I am not sure about any other names because USADA is such a corrupt orginization that they will not produce all the evidence to Lance.

The small time agency is doing it's job. Shocker.

Floyd the liar. Tyler the druggie. I am not sure about any other names because USADA is such a corrupt orginization that they will not produce all the evidence to Lance.

Any evidence of USADA corruption or are you just trolling?

 

[johnnycash]

seriously, how can one man have so much influence as to evade so many tests & still not be proven guilty of doping?

think about it.

USADA is opening themselves up for a load of crap by instigating this in the first place. It'll mean that one of their own had a hand to play in the cover up!

Another huge waste of time & money!

The UCI is corrupt, I thought that was a given? So any cover up of positives is entirely plausible. The examples of why they are corrupt, even today, is a long, long list.

 

[college]

EDITED BY MOD: We will NOT go there. This is your last warning.

 

[dlwssonic]

Even if Armstrong did cheat. He did have some good impacts.

Maybe not in europe but I can tell you in Asia the only cyclist they know is armstrong.

 

[pedaling squares]

The UCI is corrupt, I thought that was a given? So any cover up of positives is entirely plausible. The examples of why they are corrupt, even today, is a long, long list.

This case involves the USADA. How does that list look?

 

[college]

The small time agency is doing it's job. Shocker.



Any evidence of USADA corruption or are you just trolling?

Wait a minute. It is my opinion that any agency who make claims about someone doing illegal activity should present or make ready all their evidence against that person. What if someone was on here making claims about you? You would want to have the evidence presented correct?

 

[mastersracer]

Well yes because in some places around America some cancer sufferers don’t know what resources are available to them.
I brought up the Livestrong foundation because that is the way most American see Lance. He is a survivor of cancer and he helps others. Now usada are going after him in a very vicious way that appears to many people including myself that it is a witch hunt.

wait until the press start asking whether Armstrong's doping was a factor in the development of his cancer. Once that starts to sink in the cancer community, he may not be such an inspirational figure. There are mechanistic links to the products he used and cancer:

Doping with growth hormone/IGF-1, anabolic steroids or
erythropoietin: is there a cancer risk? Pharmacological Research 55 (2007) 359–369

 

[noddy69]

Well yes because in some places around America some cancer sufferers don’t know what resources are available to them.
I brought up the Livestrong foundation because that is the way most American see Lance. He is a survivor of cancer and he helps others. Now usada are going after him in a very vicious way that appears to many people including myself that it is a witch hunt.

Why a witch hunt? what possible motivation would there be for a witch hunt?
Do you really believe jealousy is a factor, or do you think its possible that the evidence is there to suggest he doped and its not in fact a witch hunt but an investigation into a lot of possible cheats who have benefited from doping over the years and kept honest cyclists from winning.
Benefited to the point where their names are so well known they could possibly help people while stuffing their pockets full of cash at the same time..

 

[pedaling squares]

Even if Armstrong did cheat. He did have some good impacts.

Maybe not in europe but I can tell you in Asia the only cyclist they know is armstrong.

I liked that impact with the traffic circle in 2010. Classic.

 

[CraigN]

Evading tests? Cover up?
Sounds like you either have some news to break or you're making stuff up.

Ok let me rephrase: How is it possible that he has had so many tests done on him & still never been convicted.. the cover up speaks for itself.

 

[pedaling squares]

Wait a minute. It is my opinion that any agency who make claims about someone doing illegal activity should present or make ready all their evidence against that person. What if someone was on here making claims about you? You would want to have the evidence presented correct?
What do you mean you love Cancer? That is a pathetic statement. Sorry but someone should not say things like that.

The disclosure of evidence doesn't happen overnight. Armstrong's lawyers communicate with the USADA, then they get the material. You have the cart way before the horse here. You lack awareness.

 

[lostintime]

Wow this is becoming a huge joke.
I wonder who they will give the 7 tour titles too??

YEP !

It's a huge can of worms with no solution. More or less, how can anyone prove they were "clean" or not? lol

It's always a level playing field any given year in my opinion, whats available for one is available for all, and if someone doesn't like that , they have no one to "blame" but themselves.

If they wish to "erase" Armstrongs titles, then I do not see how they can award them to anyone. They pretty much would have to declare those races void , no winner , period. Is this gonna happen?... of course not. Armstrong won those races, and rewriting the written records cannot change this. It's a lose lose proposition.

Cycling will not be some powder puff pie-in-the-sky clean sport ... just as no sport of anything that man competes against another is. ... not anytime soon at least, and by that time there won't be such sport. . . lol.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

You don't think he knows who testified lol? Of course he will smear whoever. I have been saying this to you guys for years now.

LA has too much to lose, much more than his titles. I am sure not all are bitter, and I applaud them for telling the truth. That is irrelevant in terms of what is next from LA.

The amount of egg on your face is funny to see. At least polish has the testicular fortitude to continue the company line. You "applaud" people for telling the truth? Does that include Floyd? Does that include Greg Lemond?

 

[CraigN]

Yes it is a huge waste of tax payer’s money.
Since USADA refuse to give all the evidence or present the evidence to Lance then we will have to wait and see them at the hearing. I am not sure there will be a hearing. I imagine a few things will happen before then. Probably Lance will sue USADA and if congress gets involved it will be the end for whoever started this witch hunt in the first place.

Exactly!

They say they're doing this to keep the sport of cycling clean, but all they're doing is brining more negativity into an already tainted image of cycling!

Leave Lance & focus on the here & now & stop bringing up a case thats already been dropped once...

 

[Anonymous]

Wait a minute. It is my opinion that any agency who make claims about someone doing illegal activity should present or make ready all their evidence against that person. What if someone was on here making claims about you? You would want to have the evidence presented correct?

So you didn't read the charging letter. Maybe you should.

Lance has time to respond. Lance was given an opportunity to meet with USADA before the charges were made public. Lance refused.

In the charging letter it is stated that the witness's will remain unknown for now, not unknown forever.

 

[ChrisE]

No it's not.

This isn't even precedent setting.

I really don't understand what tanget you are going on with "precedent" because that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

The case is about how somebody got away with doping for 15 years without getting caught by the testing procedures. We know this, but the general public does not. Go read some of the stuff on the comments sections on ESPN, etc. This is what I mean by saying it is an indictment on testing in sports in general in the eyes of the public.

It's mostly BS in that testing can be beaten and there is incentive to cover up positives. This is human nature. This is the argument I used when FL got caught when jingoistic clowns were saying the French set him up. That's crazy....the last thing they should have wanted was for a TdF champion to fail a drug test. Just because that time it was exposed is the exception...it was luck that AC's AAF came to light for example.

Do you think the athletic agencies around the world are glad to see this, coverups and worthless testing programs? I highly doubt it. So in terms of self preservation, and what is really the point here on this stuff that happened long ago in a peleton full of dopers, I just don't get. IMO the benefit is not worth the pain, and there will be alot of pain before this is over.

 

[dlwssonic]

Exactly!

They say they're doing this to keep the sport of cycling clean, but all they're doing is brining more negativity into an already tainted image of cycling!

Leave Lance & focus on the here & now & stop bringing up a case thats already been dropped once...

+1
This is only gonna destroy the reputation of cycling.
Come on how long ago is this 13 years ago???
The past is the past they should just leave it behind.
Too bad they didn't charge lance 13 years ago.

 

[noddy69]

Exactly!

They say they're doing this to keep the sport of cycling clean, but all they're doing is brining more negativity into an already tainted image of cycling!

Leave Lance & focus on the here & now & stop bringing up a case thats already been dropped once...

Wasnt it Horner who said that today. Stop focusing on the past and concentrate on today......can you not see that if he is convicted it would be a huge deterrent on dopers today. The realisation that you can be caught at any time. You let it go because it happened ages ago and you only cement the notion that cheating can benefit you. Even if he is cleared it still puts fear into those who want to dope. Lance would be creating doping awareness...that you could be caught..
Any talk of waste of money etc is another deflection tactic that doesnt sound like its coming from an innocent party.

 

[lostintime]

Exactly!

They say they're doing this to keep the sport of cycling clean, but all they're doing is brining more negativity into an already tainted image of cycling!

Leave Lance & focus on the here & now & stop bringing up a case thats already been dropped once...

Yes, they are blind to this !
Beating the drum of what is "wrong" . get you more of what is wrong. This isn't rocket science.... it's self defeating.

But, cycling as we know it is dying a slow death anyways ... It doesn't have to be this way though.

 

[Big Doopie]

please don't feed the trolls.

bunch of newbies just sprung up and all have the same m.o. with every new post.

don't engage.