USADA - Armstrong

[ChrisE]

Yes, I thought USADA would be stupid to pick this fight. You see basically they are saying "our testing programs are worthless". Out of the 500 or whatever tests he took I am sure a healthy % of them were under the guidance of USADA.

It seems that the teeth in the USADA testing program is really dependant on whether or not FL gets a ride on Radioshack. Or, other testing programs. Good thing the other corrupt agencies caught TH and FL or USADA would have been out of luck. And, good thing LA was mean to FL. Much more accurate stuff than pis in a cup, apparently.

I am thinking the funding for the USADA PED testing program can now be redirected to allow a tax cut for those making over $250k. USADA should just troll other testing programs and then offer immunity to get the really big fish from years ago, and do away with all the money wasted on testing.

So, USADA is saying they are worthless and depend on testimony instead of their testing programs. Stripping LA of his titles would only give those titles to other dopers. Yes, I admit I foolishly thought cooler heads would prevail here but I am now beginning to think the clinic cult is comprised of USADA sockpuppets.

LA will not lay down on this.

Ah, fascinating.

Yes, your French has grasped this.

Back at the start of the great (Lost) Hope Returns comeback, at the same time as the Catlin deception, Lance posted his blood values on his web site. Apparently believing that nobody could see the obvious.

In fact, they looked quite strange with some quite odd swings.

In typical 'Emperor with No Clothes' style, His Highness' hubris apparently blocked his perception of the painfully obvious.

I believe there is at least one thread here on the subject.

The work here caused fanboy alerts that ultimately saw the blood values disappear off his web site.

Dave.

 

[taiwan]

Ex Team Telekom with a systematic doping program till 2006! So i think best leave it blank although i dont know of any allegations against Jullich



Abraham Olano, no gold for Olano as he was a Mapei guines pig in 1996

As far as theses cases inc. Armstrong's Tour titles go: one step at a time. Meaning pass the wins down to the next suspect rider and let them respond according to their conscience.

 

[Benotti69]

As far as theses cases inc. Armstrong's Tour titles go: one step at a time. Meaning pass the wins down to the next suspect rider and let them respond according to their conscience.

I think the sporting authorities are dragging their feet in awarding these to the next in line

wiki quote

"In May 2011, Tyler Hamilton, the winner of the men's time trial at the 2004 Summer Olympics, confessed that he had used doping products, and gave back his golden medal. Bobby Julich could therefore be upgraded from third place to second place, but as of May 2011 this has not happened yet."

Did Julich ever get his Silver?

 

[ManInFull]

It seems that the teeth in the USADA testing program is really dependant on whether or not FL gets a ride on Radioshack. Or, other testing programs. Good thing the other corrupt agencies caught TH and FL or USADA would have been out of luck. And, good thing LA was mean to FL. Much more accurate stuff than pis in a cup, apparently.

Well, said. I think that sums it up: this never happens if LA finds a job for FL.

 

[thehog]

So it looks like the world will end this year, at least for Lance.

"I'm exploring all my options," Armstrong said in a telephone interview on Thursday with The Associated Press from Paris. "They're not limited only to arbitration with USADA. I think there are other questions that need to be answered with regard to their behaviour and tactics."

"They are well known to move the goal line on you," he said, referring to the drug agency.

"We are entitled to certain things, certain pieces of evidence, if not all the evidence in terms of what will be in front of the review board."


http://www.tsn.ca/cycling/story/?id=398392

 

[Dr_Lexus]

Don't care what you think of lance, usada really shouldn't repeatedly accuse someone of something with zero hard evidence. If you have evidence, convict someone. If you don't, then it's done.

 

[Dr_Lexus]

BTW that's a direct quote from a Garmin (clean team) rider.

 

[ChrisE]

"I'm exploring all my options," Armstrong said in a telephone interview on Thursday with The Associated Press from Paris. "They're not limited only to arbitration with USADA. I think there are other questions that need to be answered with regard to their behaviour and tactics."

"They are well known to move the goal line on you," he said, referring to the drug agency.

"We are entitled to certain things, certain pieces of evidence, if not all the evidence in terms of what will be in front of the review board."


http://www.tsn.ca/cycling/story/?id=398392

Exactly. No matter he doped, this will be a blood bath. USADA doing this is an indictment of the testing procedures in all of sports.

 

[Benotti69]

BTW that's a direct quote from a Garmin (clean team) rider.

Do you have a name?

 

[Anonymous]

Exactly. No matter he doped, this will be a blood bath. USADA doing this is an indictment of the testing procedures in all of sports.

No it's not.

This isn't even precedent setting.

 

[Dr_Lexus]

Do you have a name?

Andrew Talansky

 

[Benotti69]

No it's not.

This isn't even precedent setting.

Scott dont give these trolls the time of day never mind respond to them.

They know exactly they are posting untruths.

 

[college]

This is nothing more than a vendetta against Lance. It has all the makings of personal agenda’s against one cyclist.
For all the avg. Joe’s out on the street they have no idea who USADA is and what they do. What they do know is that LiveStrong and Lance have done good things all across America. Lance will fight this because he has done nothing wrong.
There are some very bitter and jealous pro cyclists out there that want to cause harm to Lance.

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Talansky

Didn't he also say eye witness testimony isn't 'evidence'?

Or was that someone else...

 

[Anonymous]

This is nothing more than a vendetta against Lance. It has all the makings of personal agenda’s against one cyclist.
For all the avg. Joe’s out on the street they have no idea who USADA is and what they do. What they do know is that LiveStrong and Lance have done good things all across America. Lance will fight this because he has done nothing wrong.
There are some very bitter and jealous pro cyclists out there that want to cause harm to Lance.

Did you read the charging letter?

There are some very bitter and jealous pro cyclists out there that want to cause harm to Lance

Can you name them?

 

[thehog]

Exactly. No matter he doped, this will be a blood bath. USADA doing this is an indictment of the testing procedures in all of sports.

Problem being the press in most countries isn't analytical enough to understand how this all works.

Funny how Armstrong wants the names of th riders.... I smell smear!

They can't all be bitter can they?

Also Hincapie's retirement in August speaks volumes.

 

[Digger]

Didn't he also say eye witness testimony isn't 'evidence'?

Or was that someone else...

That was horner.

 

[CraigN]

seriously, how can one man have so much influence as to evade so many tests & still not be proven guilty of doping?

think about it.

USADA is opening themselves up for a load of crap by instigating this in the first place. It'll mean that one of their own had a hand to play in the cover up!

Another huge waste of time & money!

 

[noddy69]

ok...here goes

1999 tour winner Lance
2nd Alex Zuille....admitted to doping

2000...lance
2nd Ulrich...we know about that
4th moreau..admitted doping

2001 ..lance
2nd Ulrich...pattern emerging of a doper doing well

2002...lance
2nd Beloki...cleared but has been investigated in festina affair..but cleared
3rd Rumsas..doper

2003.
Lance
ulrich
vinokourov
Hamilton
6th MAYO a whos who of convicted dopers apart from Lance

2004.

Lance
Kloden...allegations
Basso..well

I can just leave 2005 as it reads the same


This is for anyone defending the man. How can anyone who is riding clean beat another group of riders considered the best in the world who are doping. The time gaps are massive to the field.So serious question.

Does anyone truly believe it was possible despite the evidence to suggest otherwise ?

newbie so sorry if this has been brought up numerous times.

 

[college]

Don't care what you think of lance, usada really shouldn't repeatedly accuse someone of something with zero hard evidence. If you have evidence, convict someone. If you don't, then it's done.

This statement is what most people think when it comes to Lance vs. usada.

 

[MarkvW]

seriously, how can one man have so much influence as to evade so many tests & still not be proven guilty of doping?

think about it.

The UCI is opening themselves up for a load of crap by instigating this in the first place. It'll mean that one of their own had a hand to play in the cover up!

Another huge waste of time & money!

I'll think about it AFTER I hear ten (10) of Armstrong's teammates and more of his former support team talk about Armstrong's doping practices.

I am so looking forward to seeing that!

 

[Anonymous]

seriously, how can one man have so much influence as to evade so many tests & still not be proven guilty of doping?

think about it.

The UCI is opening themselves up for a load of crap by instigating this in the first place. It'll mean that one of their own had a hand to play in the cover up!

Another huge waste of time & money!

Nice first post.

Better to close our eyes and hope the conspiracy goes away.

 

[college]

Did you read the charging letter?





Can you name them?

Yes I read the letter. Why are you asking me such a simple question?
The thing is that the perception of a vendetta is real. It looks like someone within USADA has a personal beef with Lance. The federal authorities dropped the investigation and did not bring charges. Now another small time agency wants to get some attention and chase after the greatest Tour De France champion.

Floyd the liar. Tyler the druggie. I am not sure about any other names because USADA is such a corrupt orginization that they will not produce all the evidence to Lance.

 

[veganrob]

seriously, how can one man have so much influence as to evade so many tests & still not be proven guilty of doping?

think about it.

USADA is opening themselves up for a load of crap by instigating this in the first place. It'll mean that one of their own had a hand to play in the cover up!

Another huge waste of time & money!

Must be a new intern. Or are you on the payroll? $6 an hour and all the yellow bracelets you can wear

 

[pedaling squares]

seriously, how can one man have so much influence as to evade so many tests & still not be proven guilty of doping?

think about it.

USADA is opening themselves up for a load of crap by instigating this in the first place. It'll mean that one of their own had a hand to play in the cover up!

Another huge waste of time & money!

Evading tests? Cover up?
Sounds like you either have some news to break or you're making stuff up.