USADA - Armstrong

[BotanyBay]

A public arbitration might not be so bad for Wonderboy. As they parade teammate after teammate who says that he did drugs with Lance he can say "See everyone was doing it"

No doubt that will eventually be his rationalization. It's like that long, agonizing fight scene with Rowdy Roddy Piper in "They Live"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MVMbm6c0k

 

[python]

@ mew

agree 100% about laura's article..i just finished reading the 30 pages of the judge opinion, including re-reading his critical comments about usada.

if one was simply counting his critical words against armstrong vs the usada, the ratio must be 10/1.

laura simply cherry picked to compose an article with a 'different' view.

also, one has to understand judge sparks position. he delivered a devastating, stinging dismissal of almost every point armstrong made. both on the matters of due process and the jurisdiction - he enumerated them and literally killed them one by one. having such a stinging rebuke left without some formality 'equalizers' would expose the judge to the accusations of bias towards usada.

so a smart judge, well aware that his opinion being secondary to his ruling substance, has added colour to the picture.

that's all it was...ecept his comments about the charging letter where he unambuguiosly warned usada. but then again, he proceeded to water down his own words by saying he has to rely on AAA procedure that garantees adequate details sufficiently ahead of the usada hearing.

it was more grandstanding than a substantive criticism of usada and laura either misread it or misrepresented it.

 

[BroDeal]

A public arbitration might not be so bad for Wonderboy. As they parade teammate after teammate who says that he did drugs with Lance he can say "See everyone was doing it"

That would probably work better if he had not spent a decade lying about it. If the non-doping stuff that he did becomes public knowledge then he turns into John Edwards.

 

[86TDFWinner]

A public arbitration might not be so bad for Wonderboy. As they parade teammate after teammate who says that he did drugs with Lance he can say "See everyone was doing it"

Which would negate his "Ive never doped...ever" claim........"I've been tested 500 times...Ive never tested positive...blah blah blah"....

He's busted.......now it's take your medicine time for poor Lance

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I am just really, really sad about all of the people who will never hear about cancer because of this...

Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in arbitration.
The cynics and the sceptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one hell of a case.
This is a going to be a great event and you should stand around and believe it. You should believe in these arbitrators, and you should believe in these witnesses. I'll be a fan of the USADA for as long as I live. And there are no secrets — this is a hard case to crack and hard work wins it. So Vive le Truth forever!

 

[BotanyBay]

In reality, it saddens me that Livestrong will suffer as there are some really good people who work for the organization, and I will not deny that they have helped a lot of people through one of the worst thing that you can be told.

Fruit of a poison tree. Every dollar you give to the LAF, a huge chunk goes to pay for jet fuel for Lance.

 

[86TDFWinner]

That would probably work better if he had not spent a decade lying about it. If the non-doping stuff that he did becomes public knowledge then he turns into John Edwards.

This. This. and THIS.

 

[No Quarterpounder]

PR machine

Firstly, thanks a lot to the Big Cahoonas of this forum for all the enlightening info. Belonging to the "uneducated" masses out there, I gotta say that LAs shenanigans didn´t rate higher on my attention radar than most other winners of the TdF, and a lot of other winners in different sports. Everybody "knows" they all cheated, so also LA, but always with the shred of doubt that makes you think "so what, prolly not that bad and prolly not more than the competition". And thats the level I guess most of the sports fans out there are at. So, PR clearly works great for LA, especially when media (who should be watchdoging) is filled with incompetent wa...rs.

Finding the clinic is just a revelation. The retoric/discussion is great, but the real gold is all the documentation that is offered now and then to back up the claims. So from the perspective of an ignoramus, sifting through the threads and reading up a bit, one can actually start to get a quite clear picture of fellers like LA. Like after watching the vids of his deposition to that lawyer of the insurance company. The guy is a lying ....bag (insert prefered noun).

And like this piece of documentation that I just stumbled upon: http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/07/the-legend-of-the-500/

Reading all articles on LA it is just amazing how not one ferkin journo seems to be able to give a correction to that idiotic claim of being tested negative N amount of times when the number he offers is way overinflated. Not to mention the fact that the same goes for a looong list of admitted cheats/dopers, invalidating the argument anyway.

So, asking fellers like the hairy copilot of the Millennium Falcon, why not use a little bit of the energy you dish out here arguing with mostly people of the same convictions as yourself (an impressive amount I dare say), and spend some of that energy making stuff like this available to the sports journos out there? Including Europe? It just might get a few more of them to start asking the right questions, thus throwing a wrench into that big and rich BS-machinery guys like LA have at their disposal? Just that piece on the number of his tests would clearly stop some of the unchallenged BS from infecting us commons.

For a guy like LA, the opinions of people in here prolly dont matter much. He wants money and glory. That is something he gets from people like (former) me (I actually almost bought one of those yellow armbands once. Almost). Unless all of us happen to stumble upon the clinic of course.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Fruit of a poison tree. Every dollar you give to the LAF, a huge chunk goes to pay for jet fuel for Lance.

This. His "company" will shut it's doors the minute it gets out he's busted. It's not a company at all IMO, it's a sham, just like he is. I'm SERIOUSLY going to laugh for a long time, when he's finally B-U-S-T-E-D!!!!

 

[BotanyBay]

Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in arbitration.
The cynics and the sceptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one hell of a case.
This is a going to be a great event and you should stand around and believe it. You should believe in these arbitrators, and you should believe in these witnesses. I'll be a fan of the USADA for as long as I live. And there are no secrets — this is a hard case to crack and hard work wins it. So Vive le Truth forever!

I don't think Lance will stand for any parade of evidence against him. He'll crap all over the walls of the arbitration room before he allows that. To do that would be to concede power to another human being, and that ain't the "Lance way".

We're more apt to see a "Screw you guys, I'm going home" situation. That's what the MH article was preparation for anyway.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Fruit of a poison tree. Every dollar you give to the LAF, a huge chunk goes to pay for jet fuel for Lance.

I know that, but I also know some good people who have a heart for people who work for them. They are good people, and many of them are victims of Lance's lies as much as anyone.

And please don't write "fruit of a poison tree" again as it gives me nightmares because of a Crim Pro final I took last year...

 

[BotanyBay]

Finding the clinic is just a revelation. The retoric/discussion is great, but the real gold is all the documentation that is offered now and then to back up the claims. So from the perspective of an ignoramus, sifting through the threads and reading up a bit, one can actually start to get a quite clear picture of fellers like LA. Like after watching the vids of his deposition to that lawyer of the insurance company. The guy is a lying ....bag (insert prefered noun).

If it were actually possible to gather all of us in one place, and Lance knew about it, I have no doubt we'd all die that night.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

If it were actually possible to gather all of us in one place, and Lance knew about it, I have no doubt we'd all die that night.

Yea, killed by the evil offspring produced by having that much concentrated hate in one place.

 

[BroDeal]

So, asking fellers like the hairy copilot of the Millennium Falcon, why not use a little bit of the energy you dish out here arguing with mostly people of the same convictions as yourself (an impressive amount I dare say), and spend some of that energy making stuff like this available to the sports journos out there? Including Europe? It just might get a few more of them to start asking the right questions, thus throwing a wrench into that big and rich BS-machinery guys like LA have at their disposal? Just that piece on the number of his tests would clearly stop some of the unchallenged BS from infecting us commons.

I have argued that before. The information here is buried in thousands of posts. A resource of easy to digest information would help immensely. Infographics are easy to pass ground, so they can leave a big footprint.

Briefly we discussed setting up something like Trust But Verify.

 

[BroDeal]

I don't think Lance will stand for any parade of evidence against him. He'll crap all over the walls of the arbitration room before he allows that. To do that would be to concede power to another human being, and that ain't the "Lance way".

We're more apt to see a "Screw you guys, I'm going home" situation. That's what the MH article was preparation for anyway.

 

[zigmeister]

Standing by for the "long list of eyenwitnesses" amongst other "evidence" USADA must release.

Get ready for more Franky, Floyd and Tyler rhetoric. How original.

I seriously hope USADA has something more than the usual crap which got the Feds and everybody else nowhere.

But alas, it wont matter. The outcome was predetmined a year ago by USADA.

 

[MarkvW]

I don't think Lance will stand for any parade of evidence against him. He'll crap all over the walls of the arbitration room before he allows that. To do that would be to concede power to another human being, and that ain't the "Lance way".

We're more apt to see a "Screw you guys, I'm going home" situation. That's what the MH article was preparation for anyway.

You propose (again) the most logical response. But Logic isn't driving Armstrong's bus....

 

[BotanyBay]

I have argued that before. The information here is buried in thousands of posts. A resource of easy to digest information would help immensely. Infographics are easy to pass ground, so they can leave a big footprint.

Briefly we discussed setting up something like Trust But Verify.

Case in point, my "Thick Wall of Dope" graphic. I only sent it to one person (Mark Zibleman) who posted it on his blog. It ended up in ProCycling magazine eventually (uncredited, of course). People still talk about it.

If anyone has some good data that would work well as a "well-designed" graphic, feel free to send it to me. I'll take a crack at the information design.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Firstly, thanks a lot to the Big Cahoonas of this forum for all the enlightening info. Belonging to the "uneducated" masses out there, I gotta say that LAs shenanigans didn´t rate higher on my attention radar than most other winners of the TdF, and a lot of other winners in different sports. Everybody "knows" they all cheated, so also LA, but always with the shred of doubt that makes you think "so what, prolly not that bad and prolly not more than the competition". And thats the level I guess most of the sports fans out there are at. So, PR clearly works great for LA, especially when media (who should be watchdoging) is filled with incompetent wa...rs.

Finding the clinic is just a revelation. The retoric/discussion is great, but the real gold is all the documentation that is offered now and then to back up the claims. So from the perspective of an ignoramus, sifting through the threads and reading up a bit, one can actually start to get a quite clear picture of fellers like LA. Like after watching the vids of his deposition to that lawyer of the insurance company. The guy is a lying ....bag (insert prefered noun).

And like this piece of documentation that I just stumbled upon: http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/07/the-legend-of-the-500/

Reading all articles on LA it is just amazing how not one ferkin journo seems to be able to give a correction to that idiotic claim of being tested negative N amount of times when the number he offers is way overinflated. Not to mention the fact that the same goes for a looong list of admitted cheats/dopers, invalidating the argument anyway.

So, asking fellers like the hairy copilot of the Millennium Falcon, why not use a little bit of the energy you dish out here arguing with mostly people of the same convictions as yourself (an impressive amount I dare say), and spend some of that energy making stuff like this available to the sports journos out there? Including Europe? It just might get a few more of them to start asking the right questions, thus throwing a wrench into that big and rich BS-machinery guys like LA have at their disposal? Just that piece on the number of his tests would clearly stop some of the unchallenged BS from infecting us commons.

For a guy like LA, the opinions of people in here prolly dont matter much. He wants money and glory. That is something he gets from people like (former) me (I actually almost bought one of those yellow armbands once. Almost). Unless all of us happen to stumble upon the clinic of course.

I appreciate the thought, but I am about as influential and important as bellybutton lint. They want sources with primary source information. The most famous cyclist I know is a Cat 2.

But I am certainly happy that this part of the forum is well regarded by someone. There are a lot of people who consider the posters here to be the 12 Apostles of Hate. We just need to ride our bikes more I guess...

 

[Kender]

Standing by for the "long list of eyenwitnesses" amongst other "evidence" USADA must release.

Get ready for more Franky, Floyd and Tyler rhetoric. How original.

I seriously hope USADA has something more than the usual crap which got the Feds and everybody else nowhere.

But alas, it wont matter. The outcome was predetmined a year ago by USADA.

no this time there will be fresh blood. witnesses that have not previously been heard, only rumored.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Standing by for the "long list of eyenwitnesses" amongst other "evidence" USADA must release.

Get ready for more Franky, Floyd and Tyler rhetoric. How original.

I seriously hope USADA has something more than the usual crap which got the Feds and everybody else nowhere.

But alas, it wont matter. The outcome was predetmined a year ago by USADA.

Isn't there a subigneous place for you to crawl? If I were you, I'd do so post-haste as things will only get worse for you from this point.

 

[krebs303]

So Lance has 3 days to respond ya or nay to arbitration? If nay he is sanctioned if ya it's to arbitration. Are there viable options for him to cause more delays? Would appealing to the 5th district court delay the USADA process.? I'm this has been covered but it's hard to keep up. I'm old be nice OK?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Very apt - because when I read Pats letters last week all I could think of was Eric Cartman and him saying "Respect My Authority".

 

[MarkvW]

So Lance has 3 days to respond ya or nay to arbitration? If nay he is sanctioned if ya it's to arbitration. Are there viable options for him to cause more delays? Would appealing to the 5th district court delay the USADA process.? I'm this has been covered but it's hard to keep up. I'm old be nice OK?

No viable delays. The UCI has said that it's cool with USADA (so they're not gonna sue). USA Cycling has avoided entangling itself, so they're not likely to sue.

All that's left is Lance, and he's just shot his legal wad.

Seems to me, Lance is back to square one. To arbitrate or not to arbitrate?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I just keep thinking he will refuse arbitration and fight a PR war for the rest of his life against the sanctions with the hope that the actual evidence against him will never see the light of day.

Bruyneel has already indicated he doesn't believe the USADA has any power over him, so maybe he drops his case too.