USADA - Armstrong

[BotanyBay]

Also he chose a busy news day to break his news, didn't he.

Yeah, those fanboyz in NYC will do anything to derail the train.

 

[RichWalk]

Great! I just turned on British Euro sport and they're really ripping into Lance.

Just had a brief but re-assuring mail from Harmon, hands tied and all that

 

[python]

Actually they can't. Because of the SOL-issue they have to proof that he conspired to keep his doping secret. Whom did he conspire with? Exactemundo, the UCI. FatPat is toast. I can almost hear his uncontrollable sobbing from where I am sitting.

bingo.

in a few days phat will receive a detailed, reasoned letter as the code requires.

beyond that, the uci will NEVER see the whole file..they may see a lot of the evidence if they chose to contest it at cas but i dont even see that happening.

what pretext do they have to go cas and limit the issue to only those the ici wants to arbitrate ? any move to cas is an embarrassing disclosure for them.
on the other hand, as i mentioned earlier, a plea to join usada may buy phat some shelter.

 

[aphronesis]

Just like LieStrong, keep the masses docile and believing the myth of wonderboy.

Mmmnh. No doubt. And your cryptic point?

 

[MarkvW]

My guess is that the UCI will get an explanatory sanction document from the USADA and not appeal to CAS. McQuaid is already backpedaling about the UCI trying to aid Armstrong. It will be easier to accept the sanctions and move on. The USADA can probably increase the liklihood of the sanction being accepted by not implicating the UCI in the document.

McQuaid has kept his mouth shut lately. I'm starting to suspect that he has been ordered to keep his mouth shut.

 

[ManInFull]

Well, the description that we always thought would one day be associated with Lance has been thrown out there:

Lance Armstrong is the Great American Sports Cheat. Our greatest ever.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/st...t-against-usada-goes-from-hero-to-zero-082412

 

[RichWalk]

McQuaid has kept his mouth shut lately. I'm starting to suspect that he has been ordered to keep his mouth shut.

That or his foot has got stuck there..........

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Armstrong reacts to news that he will be cut out of the new directors cut of Dodgeball.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Someone photoshop a single tear into that, please.

What? No Halo? Maybe the halo headband people could sponsor him...

 

[FitSsikS]

You can now support Lance and his battle against...err....everyone, when you buy one of the many great products over at:

http://www.supportlance.com/

I'm not so sure about this one:

http://supportlancetshirt.com/

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Ah, you're kidding right? The Daily News is one of the most reactionary pieces of media going. Any story that keeps the massed docile, resentful and conservative will work for them. The "rest of the media" will no doubt "follow suit" but lets figure that at least a few of them will historicize the issue rather than invoke primordial superstitious values.

Really.
So, NYDN had 2 choices - say LA is the victim of a government conspired witch hunt and he has done a lot of good.

or
That he is a doper, liar and a fraud that has finally been exposed.
Seems they went for the latter.

 

[hiero2]

I went over to VN to read what was written there. I was pretty appalled. Surprised, too. I know a lot of people have been saying the name had gone downhill - they've now proved it to me. Sad. VN was my only source for racing news many years.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

I like it.... "positive test? Who cares!"

Carl Lewis: "The climate was different then," said Lewis. "Over the years a lot of people will sit around and debate that [the drug] does something. There really is no pure evidence to show that it does something. It does nothing."

in other words... 'The banned drug does nothing, so I risked everything and took it anyways.' I think it probably did something. but that's just me.

Yes, these guys are pros at understanding the news cycle and using it to either mitigate bad news or amplify good. They become half-politician, half-celebathlete after the money truck makes its first deposit into their account.

Lance's news didn't hit the wire til like 9 pm eastern time on a Thursday. He probably had it all set to drop a couple days ago. I'll accuse him of a lot of terrible things, but not accuse him of being dumb.

 

[Benotti69]

I think the issue with most of the people is the massive effort to single out Armstrong is unusual. Even to the point of possible deals for the accussers and former teammates. That we don't know for sure, but it is likely. I think it's a sense of fairplay in big picture and how you look at that. Some just don't like him and any means to justice is fine with them. Others see him as no better than the others, but perhaps the means to bring him down as outside the rules of the day. The plot thickens.

CAS may rule one way and the USADA the other? I have know idea.

Ah Billy, "massive effort", he was practically the last of his generation of tour podiums to get caught.

Keep the message on 'witch hunt', like a good fan.

What a turn around in a few years from never tested positve to being stripped of everything from 1998.

 

[aphronesis]

Really.
So, NYDN had 2 choices - say LA is the victim of a government conspired witch hunt and he has done a lot of good.

or
That he is a doper, liar and a fraud that has finally been exposed.
Seems they went for the latter.

Why are those the only two choices? What's with the binary apparatus?

Exposed is a very relative term: one that will differ greatly between you and those who don't care.

@BB: some of us can articulate positions w/o crutch images from the culture industry.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Armstrong reacts to news that he will be cut out of the new directors cut of Dodgeball.

Nice reminder -

Lance Armstrong: Could I get a bottle of water. - - Hey, aren't you Peter La Fleur?
Peter La Fleur: Lance Armstrong!
Lance Armstrong: Yeah, that's me. But I'm a big fan of yours.
Peter La Fleur: Really?
Lance Armstrong: Yeah, I've been watching the dodgeball tournament on the Ocho. ESPN 8. I just can't get enough of it. But, good luck in the tournament. I'm really pulling for you against those jerks from Globo Gym. I think you better hurry up or you're gonna be late.
Peter La Fleur: Uh, actually I decided to quit... Lance.
Lance Armstrong: Quit? You know, once I was thinking about quitting when I was diagnosed with brain, lung and testicular cancer, all at the same time. But with the love and support of my friends and family, I got back on the bike and I won the Tour de France five times in a row. But I'm sure you have a good reason to quit. So what are you dying from that's keeping you from the finals?
Peter La Fleur: Right now it feels a little bit like... shame.
Lance Armstrong: Well, I guess if a person never quit when the going got tough, they wouldn't have anything to regret for the rest of their life. But good luck to you Peter. I'm sure this decision won't haunt you forever.

 

[MarkvW]

Caption this.

I'm sorry you don't believe in cheating.

 

[TubularBills]

Can anyone show me any mainstream news articles that are scoffing at Armstrongs claim that this is a "witch hunt"? Any that directly give credit to USADA? Any that say Armstrong did this because arbitration would show he doped with certainty? Because that is the truth, and I'm not seeing it anywhere in the media. None. They all report Armstrongs nonsensical claims like they are possibly valid and worthy concerns.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-08-24/lance-armstrong-accepts-punishment-but-not-guilt#r=read

 

[sashimono]

I think Lance's opinion that the USADA is unconstitutional is based on this definition:

constitutional = any process containing loopholes that can be exploited to undermine its efficacy

 

[frenchfry]

I see this as only one small step. Armstrongs PR machine has already started and hell fight this in the court of public opinion and lawsuits for some time.

If you read news clips, and comments in the mainstream you can already see this happening.

Obviously he hasn't given up, he is just fighting where he has always had the advantage up to now. The volume of intern generated comments is boggling, the only positive is that most of them are so obvious and over the top that a reasonable reader must be able to see through the charade.

Overall, from what I have seen, the press has been pretty objective and isn't giving Armstrong a lot of credibility. From linked articles found on this thread there are some containing pretty scathing attacks on Wonder-boy. On French radio they are already pointing out that his arbitration refusal was a calculated ploy to ensure the truth doesn't get out and that the jurisdiction issue is only a pretext.

His image, already damaged, must be taking a huge hit even if the fanboys and interns clog up the media. I wonder if even he had calculated the intensity of the reaction.

 

[Maxiton]

The LA Times:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-lance-armstrong-uci-20120824,0,688838.story

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why are those the only two choices? What's with the binary apparatus?

My apologies - they had more than 2 choices, if that makes you happy -they chose the lying, doper, fraud option.

Exposed is a very relative term: one that will differ greatly between you and those who don't care.

@BB: some of us can articulate positions w/o crutch images from the culture industry.

Those that don't care - don't care.

Those that read the headlines see Armstrong did not contest having all Tour stripped - and the details will eventually be exposed, starting with Tyler next month.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Caption this.

Ouufff!! It smells like someone took a massive dump in their pants...oh, that would be me.

 

[Benotti69]

Obviously he hasn't given up, he is just fighting where he has always had the advantage up to now. The volume of intern generated comments is boggling, the only positive is that most of them are so obvious and over the top that a reasonable reader must be able to see through the charade.

Overall, from what I have seen, the press has been pretty objective and isn't giving Armstrong a lot of credibility. From linked articles found on this thread there are some containing pretty scathing attacks on Wonder-boy. On French radio they are already pointing out that his arbitration refusal was a calculated ploy to ensure the truth doesn't get out and that the jurisdiction issue is only a pretext.

His image, already damaged, must be taking a huge hit even if the fanboys and interns clog up the media. I wonder if even he had calculated the intensity of the reaction.

Doesn't say much for the interns at liestrong when they think they are going to work on helping cancer awareness and find themsleves posting in comment section and forums all day!

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Well, the description that we always thought would one day be associated with Lance has been thrown out there:

Lance Armstrong is the Great American Sports Cheat. Our greatest ever.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/st...t-against-usada-goes-from-hero-to-zero-082412

That article sums it all up really nicely.